Girl who told boyfriend to kill himself found guilty of manslaughter

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

He DECIDED to do it! It WASN’T her “DECISION”.

The defense attorney also argued he was completely responsible for his own death, but he cites her documented deliberate intent to influence is “protected free speech”.

Like you should be able to recommend suicide to someone who confides in you the most… and then claim anything you say “IT’S FREE SPEECH!!”

The attorney needs a couple years to think about it too.

It WAS her decision.
She even said “SHE DIDN’T GET WHY HE DIDN’T” do it already.

Anonymous wrote:

He DECIDED to do it! It WASN’T her “DECISION”.

When Thomas Ball immolated himself on the family courthouse steps…. would he have made that decision if the c~~~ing ex wife didn’t wield all of her influence?

It was Robbin Williams decision to hang himself too.
But was it REALLY his decision??

Was it this soldier’s decision to off himself too?

Neither of them blamed anyone, and they accepted personal responsibility without “blame” for the influencial system and factors which lead up to their own suicides.

Are you suggesting men just not address all the influential factors that contribute and lead up to such a decision? Because shining a light on that s~~~ is exactly how we save a life.

I find it impossible to say “Those men are all ultimately responsible for killing themselves”.

Yes, they are ultimately responsible for the final decision to end their lives…. a decision they would have ALL preferred not to make.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

The final judgement is the ultimate clue. Apparently, her lawyers, victim status and pussy pass did not weigh as much the evidence against her. I wasn’t there so I don’t know. What I do know is, she is going to jail for it.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[Anonymous 42]

Keymaster wrote:

Are you suggesting men just not address all the influential factors that contribute and lead up to such a decision? Because shining a light on that s~~~ is exactly how we save a life.

I guess I’ve been at it so long resisting the negative influence from media, women, and the entire world around me I lost empathy somewhere along the way, I agree with though art thy brother’s keeper but a BROTHER MUST ALSO KEEP HIMSELF! It’s almost is insulting when a brother kills himself! I spent my whole life helping people up, I’m loosing my patients when someone just gives up! It’s insulting to anyone that’s gone through allot WORSE! It’s frustrating, like he cut another strand that was made to help hold everything up!

What the f~~~ is happening to us that a man need a heart of stone just to survive from killing himself?

My once warm malleable heart has turned cold and intolerant to self destruction, it’s like any other position I feel like I’m condoning it!

Robin Wiliams and so many others have wrecked my insides, now all it does is p~~~ me off! Like I’m so f~~~ing opposed to it I’m becoming indifferent!

It’s like, you motherf~~~er, the nerve of you for quitting and letting the f~~~ing c~~~s WIN! It’s like loosing another soldier in long and bloody war that has left you bloodied, broken, and scared, but you find the fortitude against all odds to keep pressing on no matter what!

Keymaster wrote:

Yes, they are ultimately responsible for the final decision to end their lives…. a decision they would have ALL preferred not to make.

Gotta clean out the garbage reprobate thinking from their heads!

IT’S THE ONLY CHANCE THEY HAVE TO SURVIVE!

Not standing around after the fact arguing who’s at fault! That’s where the WAR HAS BEEN LOST!

This is ME and I make no apology for it!
No more Mr. Softy underbelly buttercup bulls~~~!

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

I guess I’ve been at it so long resisting the negative influence from media, women, and the entire world around me I lost empathy somewhere along the way,

Well, you DID make a tough argument here and it’s difficult to disagree.

Anonymous wrote:

It’s almost is insulting when a brother kills himself! I spent my whole life helping people up, I’m loosing my patients when someone just gives up!

I GET IT. I really do.

When I was 20, my friend Todd (19) threw himself in front of a train – over a breakup. Dead at 19. If he could today, he would bitchslap the s~~~ out of himself for that for exactly the reasons you’re talking about.

Anonymous wrote:

What the f~~~ is happening to us that a man need a heart of stone just to survive from killing himself?

At 18, he didn’t have a heart of stone yet.. Nor should he.

But I’m very pleased to point out, you’re not entirely void of empathy and understanding after all. Because you used the word “survive” Recognizing exterior influences like this are something he needs to “survive”… and it’s not just “HIM”.

Anonymous wrote:

It’s like, you motherf~~~er, the nerve of you for quitting and letting the f~~~ing c~~~s WIN!

THAT I agree with 100%.
It p~~~es me off to see it too.

But maybe they knew she doesn’t “win” anything this way. It will take a c~~~ the rest of her life to figure that out – if she ever learns at all.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Anonymous wrote:

Once we start admitting that some kind of magical puppet string makes one person control another then we’re all tied together in anarchy blaming everyone else instead of taking responsibility! It’s feminism and gynocentrism at it’s core! It’s everything you need to destroy personal responsibility!

Reducto ad absurdium logical fallacy. Nobody here said anything about a “magical puppet string” that “makes one person control another”.

I said she psychologically and emotionally manipulated him, not that she controlled him. He must have had suicidal feelings on his own and he went to her for support and she advised and then pushed for him to do it. That is what she is responsible for.

By your logic, we should not prosecute scammers as they can’t MAKE you give up your credit card information, even though they con people into giving that information up. We also should not prosecute cult leaders as they can’t MAKE you renounce your family and give all your money to their operation. By your logic there’s no such thing as a person who, in a weakened emotional or psychological state, is pressed into doing something immoral, unethical or illegal.

According to this you’ll get sued for helping or not helping! You can’t make the law work both ways!

You can already be sued for helping and for not helping. You can be sued for anything and for nothing. A civilian who fires upon an armed assailant can be sued in civil court for wrongful death by the family of the person he shot, despite the fact that the person had already killed someone and could have killed many more.

That’s how society works.

And when you do something illegal you are responsible for it… but there are mitigating circumstances and being emotionally manipulated by someone else into committing the act makes them partially responsible as well.

They can have political necrophilia with a dead body politic! I’m the f~~~ out! NEVER TO RETURN!

Now you’re just being dramatic. Calm the f~~~ down and be rational.

Responsibility for your own actions must not be shared, neither should your inaction and abstinence make you responsible for what another does or doesn’t do…

Not true. Responsibility flows to everyone who is in any part responsible.

Imagine a case where a woman tells her 12 year old son to beat the s~~~ out of his 10 year old brother to prove that he loves her and if he doesn’t, she’s going to beat the s~~~ out of him. Would you blame the 12 year old for delivering that beating? Would you say he has ANY responsibility in that situation?

Imagine a case where a man tells his employees to forge documents or else they’ll be fired and their families will go hungry… would you say the employees who do it are 100% responsible for the act and the boss is not responsible in any way at all?

Would you (here we go) say that only the men who activated the ovens at Dachau are responsible for the murder of the Jews who died there but that the men who walked them to the ovens, processed them, transported them there, ordered that they be transported there, rounded them up, ordered that they be rounded up and decided from the start that they should be rounded up, transported there, processed and walked to the ovens to be murdered are not?

Your protestations are too focused on your own concerns. Think about the broader world before you start slinging around words like reprobate and blaming men for dying while they’re still in the system. You sound like the assholes in my childhood church who tried to tell me that people who’d never even heard of Jesus were damned to hell despite the fact that they had no possible way of avoiding it.

These men still caught in the matrix, if you will, are not red pill warriors like you and me who then made a choice to become “pussified”… they are men caught in and torn to bits by the gears of a machine they can’t even see. To lay blame solely at their feet for being mashed to bits by it is the height of cruelty.

Yes, this man should have told her to go f~~~ herself. Every white knight who has taken a beating for trying to save a woman or man who has suffered an unwanted divorce or father who has lost his child or college student who has been wrongly accused of rape… or man who has been driven to suicide by a woman he trusted… they all should have. But they didn’t because they couldn’t. For you to say “F~~~ them, it’s their own damn fault…” is that what you think we’re here for? Because I certainly don’t.

[Veritech AceParticipant 699]

foolsgold wrote:

She didn’t shed a tear when he killed himself. She’s only crying because she faces the possibility/probability of jail time. Throw the book at this c~~~. GASH PASS DENIED.

Well, we don’t know if the gash pass has been denied yet. She still has to be sentenced.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

The difficult part I have with this is the girl tried to help the man for a long time. She was supportive and he didn’t let her in. At some point, it becomes manipulation on the part of the man. He had a demon inside of him, and he was taking advantage of the girl’s heart for his attention. That is too much strain for anyone.

The parents are probably to blame, if anyone other than himself, because they raised him, but don’t know all the facts.

As someone who has been in her position (yes, HER position – I have had to talk someone out of suicide over text, multiple times), I can say there comes a point where the perpetrator (him) is doing too much damage. She tried to get him help, couldn’t get him help, and eventually made a decision not because she wanted him dead, but because he wanted him to stop manipulating her, and she needed a way to take her life back. She does have a right to live her life without someone constantly texting her saying “I want to kill myself”. At some point, that becomes harassment. To say she could just break up with him is too simple an explanation for matters of the heart. These are young people we are talking about.

She probably figured he was bluffing anyway, just looking for attention, so she basically was saying, either put up or shut up.

I am only taking about this specific case – not speaking in a general sense at all, so please draw no general conclusions about my response to the case.

Be aware that while you may celebrate the outcome of this case (I don’t, although she is down a slippery slope now), the result will be this decision will be used against MEN in the future, not women. It won’t take long either. Anytime a girl is suicidal and acts on it, this case will be the example to blame and convict a man somewhere. We all know it. That is another reason I don’t celebrate the jail sentence, and I tend to agree with Mgtower.

Also realize, she will be out very soon if she receives any time at all, for good behavior. The harsh sentence is only for show. Once it’s out of the newspapers, they will knock it down behind closed doors, and reduce it to community service. Their hands are tied on that, because they don’t want to set a precedent that you can just outright tell somebody to go kill themselves. Thirteen year olds in chat rooms are killing themselves because of what people TYPE to them, so this is becoming a problem that they obviously feel they need to deal with and they are using this case to send a message.

[the donParticipant 2]

I’m with you MG.It is long overdue for people to start being accountable for their own actions. I am sorry to hear about the young man’s death but to blame her of his domineering mother is stupid. Everyone can make the choice to walk away.

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