"Ghosting" soon. Thanks for the term!

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Right on with the steak metaphor, Brian. Believe me, I’ve made all three kinds… and now that I’ve got the basic method down, I can apply it to other types and cuts of meat to see how it works for, say, double cut pork chops, butterflied chicken breasts, buffalo and lamb, etc.

The good thing about steaks versus, say, firearms, is that eating the f~~~ups isn’t so bad.

Back when I first got my Desert Eagle, I was in the habit of shooting in the isoscelese stance given that all my automatics ejected to the side. But shooting the deagle that way basically sends the hot brass directly into your forehead. I walked out of the range one day with two half moon shaped burns and a cracked pair of shooting glasses, went straight home and started researching stances. Now it’s Weaver all the way.

The RSO at my range still jokes about buying me a welding helmet to this day but I learned and now I am a more competent and confident shooter as a result of that pain and embarrassment. At least I’ve never had an RSO tackle me and take my gun like I saw one do to a cop doing his qualification one time. Literally wrested the firearm from his hand and threw him off the range. Whatever he did must have been seriously bad for the RSO to pull such a dangerous move. I didn’t feel quite so embarrassed about pinging myself in the face after that.

[Anonymous 42]

Hey doc anybody that needs a 1/2in. round is out to make trouble!
When hard times hit, if need be, I’ll have an HM-TA-BB-CCKNO3-FA (home made, truck axle, ball bearing, charcoal-potassium nitrate, homemade firearm… Can’t take that away from me! You’ll be damned for trying!

[Anonymous 42]

Hey doc, do you remember all those M-16s/M-1s Clinton had destroyed? I’ll let you in on a little secret…

A guy I know a guy that purchased a pile of Gov, scrap M-16s, M-1s blocks, all torched and chopped in two. after matching half’s, somebody welded the blocks back together again. The chopped were distorted and useless. It’ amazing what MEN can do…

[GoneGaltParticipant 361]

Holy s~~~ snacks! How did I miss this?? Welcome, Brian!

“Now I see that there’s enough mgtow doing this very thing that you have a term for it called “ghosting.”  I liken it to Atlas Shrugged, or “going John Galt.”

Yup, I went Galt in 2003, the last year I worked as a programmer/analyst consultant. The following is part of a reply I created in another topic about that:

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I just figured out that at this stage in my life at age 58 I am a Level 3 MGTOW, described below (I pulled it off the http://theobserverwatches.blogspot.com):

Level 3: Economic disengagement

Short brief: the MGTOW refuses to produce more than is strictly necessary for his individual survival. He will do as much work off the books as possible to avoid taxation, and will endeavour to remain in the lowest tax bracket possible without jeopardising his way of life and acceptable standard of living. (In my case I simply accumulated enough cash assets to retire years ago, I didn’t work off the books, but with all my investments in cash instruments I make sure I stay in the lowest tax bracket possible, as my assets can be safely depleted as necessary).

b) Taxation revenue falls drastically as beta men stop producing, resulting in greater debt and borrowing required to maintain government spending. (I could have worked another 20 years or so but chose not to).

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I was able to do this in a little over 17 years. I was 46 when I retired, and up to the age of 29 I was in debt, not serious debt but I had no savings for various reasons. I had read everything by Ayn Rand and simply decided one day to save everything I could with the goal of dropping out. While I did have my own toys, I lived well beneath my means (and still do). I paid off my house in 3 years and have no mortgage, so I avoided paying all that f~~~ing interest which in itself is like holding a 27 year federal note paying 4% interest tax-free, and I owned no stocks so I totally avoided the dotcom crash in 2000 and the housing-induced crash in 2008. I literally have everything I’ve wanted (fishing gear, guns, computer, sound system, TV for movies, etc) and it’s rare for me to buy anything that isn’t food or drink, I even stocked up on clothes from Cabela’s back in the winter of 2008 when the financial markets had crashed and stores were running insane fire sales. The key to save for me was to simply ignore what other people were doing with their money and not give a s~~~ about their new cars, expensive vacations, bass boats, etc because I knew almost all of them were in hock up to their ears and that one day it would come back and bite them – and it has, unfortunately, in the form of a s~~~ty and potentially permanently s~~~ty economy, with competition from people not even here legally. Fortunately I never married (2 brutal relationships documented at this site elsewhere) so I never had to worry about anyone else. I do NOT want to earn a lot of money any longer because (1) I don’t need it and (2) I want to starve this f~~~ing government in the U.S. of all possible sources of revenue and do whatever I legally can to stay in the lowest tax bracket. While I did have to pay for a new backyard fence (the 40+ year old cedar post fence’s concrete foundations were falling apart) and a new roof last year, I do everything else myself, and ALL of that activity cannot be taxed. I have a yard that’s a third of an acre and to get someone to mow it costs between $40 and $60 – s~~~, doing it myself with my own mower means the mower was paid off half-way through the 1st year and everything afterwards was pure profit. In addition I follow EVERY damn law while driving my 22 year old paid-off car so the police can’t get revenue by fining me. I’m serious – I hate doing it but if it says 35 mph I go 35 mph. Funny how many times since I started doing that (on the day in May 2003 when I retired) that I have seen unmarked police cars on side streets radaring motorists coming down a hill near me – I sometimes get this irrational impulse to roll down my window and wave at them with my middle finger raised. I cannot express how great it is to be out of debt, which I achieved sometime in the early 1990s, excepting a mortgage I had on a condo. Going Galt was always my plan, and one of the ways I saved a lot of money was by not going out to restaurants very often and instead learning how to cook and storing food for years in vacuum-packed bags in 2 freezers, almost always buying large amounts on great sales. Damn, I even cooked some St. Louis style ribs on Saturday that I bought for $1.49 lb from Target in August 2011 and there was no loss of flavor whatsoever. Ha! I applied a similar concept to stuff that will never wear out but that I need: also in 2008 I bought a lifetime supply of Trac 2 razor blades (and a couple of razors) really cheaply from ebay (they were from damaged packages pulled from stores) because the new razor costs were stupidly insane, also bought a lifetime supply of various incandescent bulbs because no f~~~ing asshole is going to force me to use flourescents when I hate the way they look (they do fine in my garage though). I even bought a lifetime supply of charcoal (briquettes but also lump) because I grill and barbecue a lot and at the time I knew oil prices would affect the cost – I got them at $3.99 for 20 pounds, good luck getting that price these days.

Well, that turned out to be more than I intended to say! Sorry for droning on, but I made my dream real and I see that you’re starting down a very similar path. I really like the way you’re approaching your future, man, way to go! 🙂

 

[BrianParticipant 87]

@gonegalt, thanks for the reply and link!  And I wouldn’t refer to you as droning in the least.  Kwans like to tell us we’re doing this, or tell us “condense” or “get to the point” so they can go back to swilling beer and watching their muh sports while wallowing in the matrix and all its hedonism.

And love the article link.  Only been on this site a couple days, but the activities and philosophies are something I’ve always felt at some internal level and something I’ve been acting on for a couple years.  I’m about Level 3 now, I guess, and about to go Level 4 in a month or so with some other mgtow.  I still need to work to pay off my student loan debt, but the object is merely to provide money to pay taxes and bills, and set up microfarming, small livestock, food/water storage, pay off a small house. Sure we’ll likely never be able to live 100% off the grid.  I mean, I’m not going to try to make my own laundry detergent when I can buy it for $5.  But I’m not paying $10 to $15 for a meal filled with processed poisonous ingredients that I can make for $2 from stuff in the garden.  And we’ll keep our eyes on adjacent properties to buy for cheap if they come up, so if we’re networking with some other mgtow and they visit and say “Man, I’d love to move here” we can offer him a house and some land for, say, the $30k to $50k we paid for it.  Property is cheap there, and we’re not sticklers for fancy houses.  In fact, the cheaper the better as the assessed taxes are that much lower.

On one hand I feel silly having tried to sell people on this idea and thought I was nuts, only to find out so many of you have been doing exactly this for a while now.  But I’m actually glad it happened this way because I know I’m committed to it now after having defended it so strongly.

I gotta say I’m hopeful we may all yet see some real changes in our lifetimes. And if not, we’re still living good lives the way we want, harming no one, and breaking no laws, so it’s a win-win.

Oh, and incindentally, I drive the speed limit too.  I drive a trash truck for a living so efficiency is something I’m always calculating, and all speeding does is p~~~ away fuel and get you to the next red light faster, so you’re not only saving on fines, but gas, and wear and tear on that 22 year old car, which is probably one of the reasons it’s made it this long!

[Anonymous 42]

@Gongault,,,I had no idea how deep into the scorched earth policy you felt, it’s astounding! I’ve surviving on very little, It’s hard times all over, (unless you’re plunged into hive matrix) media reports on nothing in the realm of reality! It’s a confetti circus!

@BrianK I’m looking to produce my own soaps from glycerin leftovers in biodiesel production. Throw nothing away, waste not, want not!

[GoneGaltParticipant 361]

Yeah, one of the material things I cannot do without is a washing machine, another a dryer. The amount of time they save you is amazing, which leads to my basic thought about money – it’s most useful purpose to me was to buy time for my future self. The vast majority of people always muse about what they would buy if they won a lot of money or got an unexpected windfall – not only have I never thought that way but I lived it. Whenever I earned a good extra chunk of money from overtime, and I worked as much as I could when I was working, I never ‘rewarded’ myself by buying something, I did it by putting in the bank, with the intention of using it to ‘ ‘buy down’ the amount of my personal time I would need to spend in my life to be able to stop working and do what I wanted. I bought stuff I knew would give me pleasure like a sound system, but I did not seek a sybaratic life style. I once read something that really affected the way I viewed ‘stuff’ or crap you buy: does the prime steak selling for $30 a pound taste 3 times better than the choice steak selling for $10 a pound? Does that new car selling for $50,000 new bring you 5 times the pleasure that a $10,000 used car does? Is that $600 suit so much better than the $150 suit you got off the discount rack? No, at least not for me, is the answer for most of the comparisons I’ve made in the years since I grasped that concept and all the dollars I saved with it helped me to be able to sit today at my PC and shoot the s~~~ without worry.

And on the subject of the car – it really helped that I no longer had a commute every day, so I have saved a s~~~load on gasoline, tires, etc, and yes you’re correct on why the car lasted so long. Plus I carry the minimum necessary liability insurance on it and I don’t give a f~~~ if it gets dented or scratched because I don’t give a f~~~ what anyone thinks about it. It gets me from point A to point B and so far back again. I also saved a s~~~load when I retired by almost never using a dry cleaner again – I got rid of the obligatory suits, all but one, because I HATE THE DAMN THINGS and especially the f~~~ing ties! It’s either T-shirts or polo-style shirts these days for me, almost always jeans or shorts with either sneakers or sandals in summer, long sleeved outdoors-type cotton shirts in winter. It’s funny how stumbling across MGTOW some weeks back has affected me – I used to really care about shaving before going to the grocery store but I now could not care less about my 4-day stubble – it’s damned liberating not to care what women think of you at all.

Finally, you mentioned efficiency – that’s exactly why I minimize the trips in my car. I almost always have to have at least 3 errands to run before I take the car out, so I don’t waste either my time or my gas. The corollary of ‘time is money’ that you seldom hear is ‘money is time’, which is what women suck out of you when you’re in a relationship with you. As I’ve said before, I don’t hate women, but if I could post a physical representation of the insides of the last two LTR partners I had (none since 1998), this would be it – cheers and I’ll see you later:

[Anonymous 42]

Hey Gault, I agree, the mouth especially now a-days, no thanks, don’t need a BJ, I’ll pass, she can go suck-off a meat-stick, and give to him whatever makes her mouth look like that!
There’s allot of dirty holes out there, real mud buckets! Why take a chance?

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

GoneGalt: I envy you, man. I’ve spent money like a fool for most of my life… I guess it comes from having a meager existence as a kid and never wanting to have to say no to myself when it came to things I wanted.

I figured out the whole “work for yourself” thing a long time ago but never internalized the value of money in terms of saving and buying time. Now that I’m older, however, I’ve just started thinking this way and am working to unburden myself of as much of the cruft I have collected as possible. I’m still probably five to ten years out on being in a position where I can say I am retired and can live off my cash reserves but that’s the direction I am heading.

Discount and bulk shopping, not caring about how I’m dressed, divesting of things I don’t use, cooking at home, storing food and useful products, not dating… basically I’m working at shrinking my own economy so that I can have more free time and less cares and get my monthly expenses down to where I can earn the money to pay them in less than two days of work per month is my goal. Yes, I’ll have to make a few particular quality of life adjustments but the payoff will be well worth the sacrifices.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

Brian you and tower are of like minds with me. I just moved back to my home town with everything I own in one truck load and still thinking of down sizing further. really what more do we need than the only thing that we can take with us. Dignity and our written words are all that will be left in the end. I will be proud to have been called a have not if I keep my dignity. Looking for a fuel sipping motorbike pup tent and sleeping bag. upwardly mobile sounds good at this point.

BrainPilot and I are not like minded at all I can’t make a living off my fellow man. just don’t feel right. I don’t blame him for doing it, but they will never contract my time of life. he talked as if everyone is happy. No the worker making less than he should is not happy.  I can’t take a cut from my fellow mans labor.

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[Anonymous 42]

harpo-my-“SON” wrote:

the worker making less than he should is not happy. I can’t take a cut from my fellow mans labor.

Hey Harpomason, you’re not going to get far with a career in government, but then again government’s days are numbered… If you have to re-start in a sleeping bag and tent, that’s better than owing the lenders your future. You’re making your future brighter already. Allot of guys build their homes on a car trailer, giving rise to the “mini house”, at least they own it, can move it, and not pay rent! My friend you have what it takes!
As far as taking a cut? All things we consume are a cut of someones labor.
Brain’s not really in the wrong, if somebody is selling useless sand in desert, and people are buying it, does that make the seller wrong? It’s the buyers stupidity that gives the seller his job. You on the other hand, have enough common scene to purchase water in the desert, and sand to mix cement! You’re a self controlled delineatior of your own labor, that’s good. If someone is willing to swallow bulls~~~ and say it was yummy, that’s none of our business, we move on, and we avoid their breath….

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

harpo-my-“SON” wrote:

I can’t take a cut from my fellow mans labor.

Civilization is built on the concept of trade… the fair exchange of value for value. Labor is a form of value, indeed, but so are ideas and opportunities. Should a man who conceives of a trip across the ocean to secure silk and spices who then invests his capital and accepts the risk involved in building or buying a ship and undertaking the dangerous journey not be compensated for having created the jobs that the crew of that ship now work at?

If no man could rightfully take a cut of the effort of his fellow man, no job could ever exist that was not created by the person doing it and most things of value could never be produced. By denigrating the right of a man to benefit indirectly from the labor of another man you denigrate the profit motive and then you’re on a slippery slope to collectivism and the total denial of property rights.

I expect to be treated fairly but I’m not onboard with that. I believe in positive competition and the right of an individual to profit by his efforts and by the efforts of those who he is able to employ to magnify his own individual power.

[GoneGaltParticipant 361]

Doc – I totally agree with your last post – it isn’t possible to live a lifestyle based in large part on Randian ideals and not agree! The following famous essay first published in 1958 perfectly expresses how trading fairly with your fellow man benefits us all, with the simple example of how a pencil comes into being:

http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/rdPncl1.html

Excerpt:
Here is an astounding fact: Neither the worker in the oil field nor the chemist nor the digger of graphite or clay nor any who mans or makes the ships or trains or trucks nor the one who runs the machine that does the knurling on my bit of metal nor the president of the company performs his singular task because he wants me. Each one wants me less, perhaps, than does a child in the first grade. Indeed, there are some among this vast multitude who never saw a pencil nor would they know how to use one. Their motivation is other than me. Perhaps it is something like this: Each of these millions sees that he can thus exchange his tiny know-how for the goods and services he needs or wants. I may or may not be among these items. 

And Doc, you’re on the right path as far as I’m concerned, but please don’t ever envy me, envy is a useless emotion, but if you agree with my ideals than emulate me insofar as my ideals match yours, and no further. I’ve read so many of your posts that were filled with wisdom, I’m always learning from you because even though I had my fair share of experiences with the fairer (and irrational) sex they pale in comparison to the experiences you’ve had. And sharing those experiences in this forum have completely validated my opinions about women that I gained solely from my own interactions with them.

You know what finding this forum was like for me? It was like shouting into the mountains and never hearing an echo back, and then one day all of a sudden I heard my echo coming back at me, a thousand voices strong, saying you are not wrong and you are not alone. That was enough for me, that’s all I had to hear, that I wasn’t alone in my beliefs, that I had glimpsed a truth others had perceived, that my experiences weren’t unique, they were common. That is power, because it is knowledge and therefore rational, reasonable, understandable – which is what men get inherently as we are the ones who are relied upon to make sense of the world.

But as you can tell from my avatar, these days I’m shrugging – let the incredibly capable feminists and their enablers support this f~~~ed up society, as I’m having none of it.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Hi Harpo,
I probably should have explained that better. I have the same ‘staffing agency’ issue in my industry. Our agencies used to make 5-10% a decade ago. That was a small nuisance, but not worth the effort to eliminate. Now, they expect to make 30% off my education, skills and labor. Companies want to use a staffing agency? Fine. Me and a few of my colleagues set up a website, 800 number, and get a few business cards and now we are the staffing agency.

When a company calls the 800 number, they think they are talking to the employers of the people (us) whose labor they want to buy. But they are talking to us. We have cut out that middleman by essentially pretending to be him. We charge his prices and just keep his commission. The company continues to pay the same price they already expected to get the same labor they already wanted.

I set up the website and 800 number for myself and am seeing that soon, there will be more work coming to it than I can do myself at any price. I can pass this work on to my buddies without taking any cut. I don’t need it (since I just got a 30% raise for the price of my labor), and my buddies can get the same benefit. The agencies weren’t really doing anything for us anyway…just helping the company avoid some government paperwork. Our agency does that as well as any other did…

Like you, I’m not a fan of taking a cut of my colleagues earnings either. But I am a huge fan of eliminating that company’s 30% skim off the revenue generated by my labor. My point was just that you can provide what the agency provides (your labor and the ability to avoid that government red tape) without the agency, but the agency cannot provide your labor to the company without you. You can eliminate the agency from the equation, but they can’t eliminate you. when you eliminate them, and take their place, you also take back the cut of the revenue from your labor that they were taking.

What I was trying to point out is that it just isn’t that complicated to set up your own agency.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[BrianParticipant 87]

GoneGalt wrote:

You know what finding this forum was like for me? It was like shouting into the mountains and never hearing an echo back, and then one day all of a sudden I heard my echo coming back at me, a thousand voices strong, saying you are not wrong and you are not alone. That was enough for me, that’s all I had to hear, that I wasn’t alone in my beliefs, that I had glimpsed a truth others had perceived, that my experiences weren’t unique, they were common. That is power, because it is knowledge and therefore rational, reasonable, understandable – which is what men get inherently as we are the ones who are relied upon to make sense of the world.

That right there would made a fantastic forum banner, t-shirt, description of mgtow in general, thanks!

Anyone else here heard of the Roadtrek?  I only recently learned of the tiny house concept, which is also cool, but the Roadtrek is a regular van with all the amenities of a motor home, that doesn’t look so much like a motorhome.  Before I was planning on moving in with some fellow mgtow I was going to get a Roadtrek and just retire to it at the end of the workday in the parking lot or take it to a local truck stop or Wal Mart overnight since it doesn’t stand out like a motorhome, and elminate rent payments from my budget so I could bank them too.  rvtrader.com has a ton of them, under Class B motorhomes, if anyone’s interested.  For me now it looks like we’re going to be setting up microfarming and staying put, but like with mgtow, I was totally unaware of the whole rv lifestyle that even some people still working can lead.

Great discussion on labor, workers, monetizing labor.  It’s definitely a sensitive balance between paying a worker a fair amount, and having enough profit left to keep the company running strongly amongst the competition.  I think the core of the issue is that so many companies today are set up specifically to exploit the labor of others under the excuse that “the free market will sort it out.”  Surely the owner and manager who gives the worker direction and causes his labor to have value by providing a market for it and the products of it ought to share in the benefits in the form of profit, but I wouldn’t say he is “taking a cut” of the worker’s value.  He is rightfully sharing in it, as he must so as to motivate him to come back tomorrow and continue to be on the team.  Like you guys said, it’s companies like staffing agencies that take a cut.  They exist so the primary employer can avoid paying a worker benefits, vacation, medical coverage, all to maximize profits so their accounting reports look better, which makes the company more viable on the stock exchange.  Securitization of ownership.  “Fair” or not, it leads to exploitation, and by mgtow and keeping our assets and labor tangible, we deprive that system of the nebulous and changing “value” of our work that it needs to feed.

I’ve come to find that most men are well-meaning in discussions like this and even is we disagree it’s because we have different ideas of how to reach a good outcome.  Whereas a Marxist would use the word “exploitation” to manipulate peoples’ thinking into making them thing injustice exists where there is none, we use it to describe a man working himself to death only to have others pick over his career’s carcass like vulture’s and divvy up every last bit of worth remaining.  That’s the difference: the spirit with which we approach it.  Any economic or trade system has to have enough justice in it to leave a spirit of solidarity amongst the people after the deals are done, otherwise there can be no larger sense of community, and therefore no way to defend the group/city/state from rival states.

I liken what my particular groups is contemplating to the Amish.  Our spiritual beliefs are more varied and less central to the idea, but one of the core principles is to pay a man his fair wages immediately when the work is done.  Example, we might buy a neighboring property with some disposable income for cheap and invite other mgtow to join us, and offer to sell it to him for what he paid.  We’re not missionaries.  We’re not going to give it away for free, nor are we going to try to rent the place to profit.  That’s our particular situation of course.  I’m not suggesting landlords operate a zero-sum game! If my buddy knows how to do auto repairs that I can’t, I’ll gladly pay him the going market rate for the work, immediately and in cash, but I also expect he will charge an honest rate, and not inflate the price and then try to shame me into paying it in order to “keep our money within the community.”

The problem would arise if we trade in IOU’s for labor (essentially how script currency started) and someone begins trading, lending and borrowing the IOU’s themselves.  Now we have the same system as Amerikwa and the global economy has today, and we’re back to the middle men who add no actual value to the labor rendered making off with profits from it merely for accumulating and trading IOU’s, which is essentially devaluing the market value of the labor through manipulation, buying the IOU’s representing it, then manipulating their price back up and selling them.

Of course I guess with guys here we could boil the whole thing down to, “We know when we’re getting f~~~ed over!”

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Can you guys feel the love?

GoneGalt: We’ve all got something we can learn from each other and that’s what it’s all about. Perhaps envy was a poor choice of words. How about “admire” and “are inspired by”? I think that captures it more accurately.

[Anonymous 42]

@brian K , I think it’s commendable when we share our ideas, no matter which end of the pay scale MGTOW’S are at! We think alike about business in general, be it hefty or meager incomes. Others may visit this information and gain from the humblest of posts.

I have accounts with major chemical companies. I had to set up the accounts, call the people, make things happen. My cost for a drum of (won’t say) regent grade 99.98, $1,600, I divide it up and sell it on eBay, profit 500%, but it’s work, effort, and knowledge. It’s “ME” that I’m selling! I’ve been running business all my life, since age 17, started working weekends at age 11, never stopped.

Property is “effort rewards”. “Contract” is being compensated on “your” negotiated terms. There’s nothing wrong in profit! In fact, business (your/time/labor/profit) should demand the highest possible “dollar”, until rising competition forces your margins and lowers your price.

You are doing the right thing, given your “temporary” position in life. I can’t stress enough! You have the right mindset!

There’s allot to learn here in the halls of MGTOW. It’s a priceless education!

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[…Spectator 1165]

High Five to all brothers on this thread and MG crunch crunch crunch away. Gotta go to work. Thanks for an informative morning guys.

[Anonymous 42]

@ listenUp! you forgot to mention rrrroooooowwwww, and THUMP THUMP SPLAT! but CRUNCH CRUNCH CRUNCH, is a classic…I’m sure there’s more where that came from, you wouldn’t believe the memories this place has awoken in my head, things I haven’t thought about in decades! MGTOW.com is great place to let a brain fart loose! No offense to <BrainPiliot>

[Krab_AssParticipant 267]

Brian wrote:

Not only don’t we not want what they’re selling, we won’t even do them the favor of carting it off for free. As a trashman, that makes me feel especially good!

I agree!

"I care not what others think of what I do, but I care very much about what I think of what I do! That is character!"
~ Theodore Roosevelt

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