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This video that Mike Rowe did was probably posted here before but I will post it here again and give some insight on it.
So what Mike Rowe basically said is to do the opposite of what everyone else is trying to do for a job, because you will gain more opportunities that you did not know existed that way. Also, just because you might not like doing something that many other people are not aiming for, it doesn’t mean that you will not grow to like it in the future. Just like that video pointed out, you might not like doing something in the beginning, but you might be better at it to the point where you would grow to like it. So for anyone here who do not know how to approach the job market that we have for whatever reason and do not know how to get a job, maybe you are having a hard time getting a job because you are pursuing jobs that everyone else is trying to get. Many people with bachelors degrees that cannot find a job in their field usually resort to going into retail or even get some sort of office job for instance, which would then bring lesser room for employment opportunities for people with just a high school degree trying to get into those sort of jobs too. I hope I am of some help for some people who are trying to get into the job market.
"Question everything" - Albert Einstein
When it comes to get an education/training for a career or job. I tell my up and coming kids their choice(s) must pass the majority of the following: (There’s more too, but these are some that I remember off the top of my head.)
Is the job/field expected to grow or decline in the future? (If you reside in the states, this info. is put out by the U.S. gov.)
Can your desired career be easily exported ?
How much of an investment in time/money is needed to prepare for this job ? Does the projected pay outweigh your investment of time/money ?
Is your career licensed where just not anyone be hired to do it ?
EXACTLY what specific jobs does this training/education prepare you for ?
Do your academic and/or vocational aptitude match the requirements ?
Can you go into business at some level for yourself if you choose with this training ?
Are there jobs readily available where you are currently living ?
Does it appear that you could be replaced by technology any time soon ?
Are there opportunities for growth within this field ?
Granted it has to be something that you can see yourself doing, but often times things like happiness and “following your bliss” don’t work out in the real world. It’s great if you can have it all, but you NEED to be able to keep the lights on too.
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Its true. I have a neighbor who is almost 30. She is pretty much at that age where the wall is in her very near future. She has been in college since she graduated, funded by her parents, and is still taking voice and acting type classes still thinking she is going to be some famous singer or actor. If she likes singing and acting…that is cool…but at some point you have to get real with what you like to do vs what makes money. If she didn’t make it big in her prime years she certainly isn’t going to do it post wall. She’s just going to end up a broke post waller with a useless degree, no marketable skills, and no real work history. Eventually when her parents cut her off and the fantasy ends, because they themselves are nearing retirement age and can’t fund her indefinitely, she is going to end up having one miserable life.
Yeah we all want a job we don’t hate obviously…but at the same time are you really doing yourself any favors if you stick around in a low paying job/field just because you like the work if your life outside of work sucks because you are so broke? Just my opinion but a middle ground is much healthier…look for decent paying work you can tolerate that will pay enough for you to have a decent standard of living outside of work. Many more people end up rich working a middle class job and being smart with their money then being like my neighbor and shooting to be some million dollar actress or something where 99.999% of the people who grow up with that dream will end up failing.
Just for example…a family in town I grew up with started a cleaning business, like Service Master just a smaller local version. Nobody ever says “I want to be a janitor when I grow up,” but this guy and his wife grew it into a successful business that paid enough to raise 4 kids, pay off their house, set some retirement money aside…and now that they are getting a bit older probably start setting the kids up to take the reigns if any of them are interested, or sell it if the kids aren’t interested. He made more money doing something most people would think is beneath them then many of those people who would never consider getting into that line of work. In the end who is laughing…the “janitor” whom society tends to rank pretty low in prestige or social status who lived a solid middle class lifestyle and will have a well funded retirement and something to hand down to his kids, or someone who may have had a higher status job who made less money and is carrying debt into retirement?
Just for example…a family in town I grew up with started a cleaning business, like Service Master just a smaller local version.
There’s money to be made in dirt. I had an acquaintance a number of years ago that also had started and operated a custodial services business. At the time I knew him, he was divorced/single 50ish and I do not recall if he had any adult children. Anyways, he started and operated a successful cleaning business with a couple/few employees. He picked up commercial accounts (banks, stores,offices etc.) as well as whatever else he could find. At the time, he had at least one nice personal vehicle, nice house, involved in local clubs, and took many trips. He had 1 main employee that was with him forever that he paid well and ran everything for him so he was free to take long weekends and trips as he liked. I think back now and compare my life to his at a similar age, he had it made, and I’m the one with a graduate degree !!!
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Mr. Rowe has done significant work trying to convert people to the service industries, such as plumbing, heating, A/C, etc. His scholarship programs, his partnership with training companies, all awesome.
I love his weekly series ‘The Way I Heard It’. It is fun and interesting and quick, yet informative.
No longer can we walk away, we must run. Remove the motive power.
I think back now and compare my life to his at a similar age, he had it made, and I’m the one with a graduate degree !!!
I think that you would agree with me Awakened, if I said that a degree is only a piece of paper designed to create a consciousness for a mass production economy. It institutionalizes you and turns you into a follower, consumer and producer of corporate business. That boss who interviews you wants to know what he is buying and the degree will do nicely.
Do what pays the bills, make enough money for your hobbies.
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Just for example…a family in town I grew up with started a cleaning business, like Service Master just a smaller local version.
There’s money to be made in dirt. I had an acquaintance a number of years ago that also had started and operated a custodial services business. At the time I knew him, he was divorced/single 50ish and I do not recall if he had any adult children. Anyways, he started and operated a successful cleaning business with a couple/few employees. He picked up commercial accounts (banks, stores,offices etc.) as well as whatever else he could find. At the time, he had at least one nice personal vehicle, nice house, involved in local clubs, and took many trips. He had 1 main employee that was with him forever that he paid well and ran everything for him so he was free to take long weekends and trips as he liked. I think back now and compare my life to his at a similar age, he had it made, and I’m the one with a graduate degree !!!
Exactly,three areas that most people don’t like or want to do themselves:
Cleaning
Cooking
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I think back now and compare my life to his at a similar age, he had it made, and I’m the one with a graduate degree !!!
If I could go back in time and keep my current mind set and plans for the future…I’d certainly have never gone to college. With all the time spent on school, I could have worked more, and with all that extra money + money spent on tuition I probably could have cracked a half million in savings in my 20s. Knowing how investments work, having a half million in your 20s would make your life pretty damn easy if you didn’t squander that money on dumb s~~~.
Society brainwashes you though that you have to work for 40-50 years before you can retire because you have to pay for a wife, kids, and a house, so you figure what the hell…if I’m going to work 40-50 years making more is definitely better…but once you realize you don’t want the wife, kids, or house, you suddenly realize all that time and money you wasted getting that high paying job you want to hold for the next 40-50 years could have instead built you a significant nest egg.
I always found college to be a major gamble. You go in for 4 or more years, pay through the nose for tuition, and for what; a job that is high likely not there for you. No dream job, but you’re stuck with the debt that will follow you everywhere you try to hide. It’s better to just get to work and save up what you can and be smart with your money.
My plan is, if I had a job, is start small and work up the ladder by doing your job plus some experience of another job within the same company. For me, I want to work for Best Buy (badly), start off selling video games, or movies, or TV sets, then take my computer repair and build skills to Geek Squad, work my way to supervisor levels and then up to a management level. Along the way, learn the trade, gain skills, add value, and make a place for myself there. I looked at Glass Door, and Best Buy DOES pay quite well compared to other retail stores. I mean a General Manager gest paid $120K a year.
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That boss who interviews you wants to know what he is buying and the degree will do nicely.
Many degrees are little more then pre-requisites for any given job. Another box for the employer to check off.
Some degrees when packaged with hard to get licensing are gold. For example, think of a pharmacist, freshly graduating from college, will earn well over $100,000. per year. Not bad for someone as young as 26.
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Anonymous0The book “Designing Your Life: How to Build a Well-Lived, Joyful Life” is currently on the New York Times bestseller list (in the #1 spot for How-to and Self-Help books). I haven’t yet read it myself, but it’s the hot new book on job-hunting and careers.
Here’s a newspaper article written by the authors, talking about the book.
Design Your Way to a Happier Life
Don’t worry about finding your ‘passion.’ Think like a designer: Try out quick prototypes of multiple ideas to learn what actually makes you happy.
By Dave Evans and Bill Burnett
WSJ, Sept. 9, 2016 2:36 p.m. ET“What’s your passion?” It’s a question that gets asked of all of us as we imagine our futures, whether we are declaring a major, contemplating a new career or preparing for retirement. We seem to operate under the belief that if we just find out what we are passionate about, everything else will fall into place. But there’s a problem with this approach: It hardly ever works.
A series of studies conducted in 2002-09 at the Stanford Center on Adolescence (surveying over 1,200 subjects and published in various academic journals) found that only about 20% of young people between 12 and 26 have a clear vision of where they want to go, what they want to accomplish in life, and why. Only 27% of college graduates work in a job related to their major within just a few years of graduation. The truth is, most people don’t have a singular motivator that drives all of their life decisions.
But we all have multiple good answers to the question “What should I do with my life?” There is no single “right” or “best” answer. And in today’s world, one version of your life isn’t enough. Students today should expect to have at least two and probably three to five different careers over their 60-year working lives.
There is no algorithm for passion. People aren’t a technology, and our lives aren’t a problem to be solved. Life is a human experience, and we need a more human approach to thinking about it—one that starts where we are with what we have. We need to think like designers.
Designers know that there is no one solution for ill-defined problems. We take a hands-on approach, first understanding a situation deeply through close observation, then trying out quick prototypes of multiple ideas to learn what can actually work. The key is to try lots of ideas, take action and learn by doing. Designers don’t think their way forward; they build their way forward.
This approach works wonderfully for doing life design. Consider an acquaintance of ours named Michael. Michael had a degree in civil engineering and a job at a respectable firm, but he was miserable. He concluded that he’d blown it: Civil engineering was not “it” for him (not his passion).
A family member suggested that he become a stockbroker since he was good at math. We suggested that he change his question from “How did I blow this?!” to “What’s really going on?” Michael logged his level of energy and engagement with all his different activities for a month, using a simple dashboard format that we call “The Good Time Journal.” He discovered that when he was working alone on hard technical issues, he was very happy. When he was mired in administration or marketing the firm’s services, he was unhappy. It turned out that he really did love doing engineering; he just didn’t care much for the business side of it.
His first prototypes for a different career were just conversations with other engineers, learning what kind of positions allowed them to spend their time actually doing engineering. He discovered that engineers with Ph.D.s got to work on tougher problems, so his next prototype was to apply to graduate school.
His early success as a grad student proved both his love of engineering and his ability to do it at a high level. He got help from professors to connect to elite engineering firms and landed a short-term project. When it was over, he’d done so well that the firm was willing to hire him full-time immediately—without a Ph.D. Michael ended up with a job that he loved—a job that he actually felt some passion for.
We all know that work can be a daily source of enormous joy and meaning, or it can be an endless grind and waste of hours. A well-designed life isn’t a life of drudgery. You weren’t put on this Earth to wait for your passion to strike before you start really living.
If you don’t know what your passion is, that’s great news. Because you don’t have to know “what to do with your life”—you only have to do what’s next. Be curious. Try stuff. Think like a designer and build your future, prototype by prototype.
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—Mr. Burnett and Mr. Evans teach in the design program at Stanford University. This essay is adapted from their new book, “Designing Your Life: How to Build a Well-Lived, Joyful Life,” which will be published later this month by Knopf.Do what pays the bills, make enough money for your hobbies.
That’s my life plan I hope to f~~~ it works.
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Do what pays the bills, make enough money for your hobbies.
That’s my life plan I hope to f~~~ it works.
Stay single, live frugally, save for a rainy day, stay debt free, and how can your plan not work ?
You don’t need “hope”, but careful planning will go a long way.
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Some degrees when packaged with hard to get licensing are gold. For example, think of a pharmacist, freshly graduating from college, will earn well over $100,000. per year. Not bad for someone as young as 26.
Its really not all that great. I have a relative who is finishing up pharmacist school this year…he did a bachelors degree at a state school then a 3 year accelerated program, so 7 years worth of school and he’s going to finish with 220k worth of debt(med school is expensive as f~~~). He told me he has like six different loans or some crap in interest rates between 5 and 8%. Let’s just say his average cost will be six percent, and he pays it off over 20 years…its going to cost him almost 1600 a month for the next 20 years.
Realistically some guy that gets a CDL or gets into a trade right out of highschool that lives frugal and invests from day 1 could have 200-300k banked by the time my relative even starts working. Maybe he’ll make 40k a year more, but that 40k is going to get raped by a high income tax bracket while your 200-300k would be getting taxed at a much lower capital gains rate, so the gap is closed considerably.
Just quick math…pharmacist makes 40k more and 30% of it get eaten by taxes, so he’s down to a 28k advantage, and 18k has to go to service his debt, so he’s down to 10k more. The trucker/tradesman with the 200-300k in the bank would have to make about 4-6% on his money taxed at a 15% capital gains rate to break even with the pharmacist.
Now even though he will be a pharmacist…he has a decision to make…does he live a 100k+ a year lifestyle? If so, and he goes and buys a new car and a house, he’s going to be a debt slave for at least the next 20 years even though he has a high income. If he lives frugal, pays his s~~~ off, and starts to aggressively build a nest egg, then he just arrives back at the point of was it worth it when living frugal and investing aggressively earlier in life would have gotten him to the same destination sooner? Even if he pays off his debt at this point as fast as he can its doubtful he’ll have a positive net worth by the time he turns 30…
Stay single, live frugally, save for a rainy day, stay debt free, and how can your plan not work ?
You don’t need “hope”, but careful planning will go a long way.
This is key. The way I look at it money sunk into investments is like buying future income. Soon as you get a good job it should be your main goal to live cheap and save money…once you bank a few hundred thousand, investment income on that money + a minimum wage job is more than enough to get by comfortably without having to spend your savings down or worry about losing your home/car. Unfortunately for most people, it seems like if they manage to get a good job they immediately inflate their lifestyle. Nothing is wrong with buying nice things when you have the money, but getting a nice cushion in the bank first can provide quite the safety net for you.
I guess it all depends where you go to school, what you want to do for a living, and the long term financial payout that can be projected.
A friend’s son is presently completing a pharmaceutical degree, and has worked simultaneously at a CVS program which provides relevant seasonal employment/training/mentoring while the students are working on their degree. He is “guaranteed” employment with CVS upon graduation if he wishes to take it, he will START his career at the age of 25-26 making in excess of 100,000 annually. I think the key is that this is STARTING money that will INCREASE over time, and can dramatically increase if one gets into corporate management and/or research and development etc. There are plenty of varied opportunities for growth that all offer INCREASED cash and prizes. A truck driver is a good solid job, but in reality an experienced driver’s salary will never approach that of an experienced store front pharmacist, never mind some one that excels within the field. Not to mention the working conditions, travel requirements, schedules, physical demands etc.
Yes the layout/debt to prepare/educate a young pharmacist is substantial, but in the long run (35-40 +/- years of your average working life) the Pharmaceutical program will pay great dividends on the original investment even if one chooses to stay at the store level.
Even if he pays off his debt at this point as fast as he can its doubtful he’ll have a positive net worth by the time he turns 30…
This is true, but there’s also no guarantee that the truck driver will lead a frugal life style either. For the sake of discussion, say it takes the pharmacist to the age of 35 years to pay off his school debt (10 years of payments). Now, he is currently making $125,000. – $150,000 +/- annually, and will be making more annually for the next 25 – 30 years. He will be fine, and if he’s even somewhat frugal should have PLENTY of money, not to mention whatever corporate 401K’s, profit sharing, bonuses etc. that he will reap along the way. I’m really not feeling to bad for his/her financial outlook.
Both a pharmacist and a cdl truck drivers are great jobs that have growth potential, and can provide enough cash and prizes to live a comfortable life. The only point that I was attempting to make, is that if you’re going to go into debt for a career/job make sure the job/career will allow you to pay off your debt easily, and you can reap long term financial benefits as well. Is one career is better in the long run, well that all depends on the individual, and how they manage or mismanage their income. Frugality is the key to everyone’s “financial freedom” if you will, regardless of the career they undertake.
Unfortunately for most people, it seems like if they manage to get a good job they immediately inflate their lifestyle. Nothing is wrong with buying nice things when you have the money, but getting a nice cushion in the bank first can provide quite the safety net for you.
I couldn’t agree more. MOST people spend more then they make. The take away message with all of this that I think we can easily agree on is: Frugality is Key !!
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This is true, but there’s also no guarantee that the truck driver will lead a frugal life style either.
Yeah I was just speaking from a frugal guys perspective…but to be fair only a small fraction of the population will walk that path in life. The truck driver may not be frugal…but chances are neither will the person with the fancy degree, in which case they both end up debt slaves most of their life…just the person with the fancier degree and the higher paying job ends up a debt slave for a nicer car and a bigger house.
I feel kind of bad for both of them…especially the debt slaves that get a divorce thrown into the mix…they pretty much end up in a position in life where probably 80% of their life long earnings go towards servicing debt, paying taxes, or to the ex. They literally go to work 5 days a week their entire life and only get to keep 1 days worth of pay for themselves…
I couldn’t agree more. MOST people spend more then they make. The take away message with all of this that I think we can easily agree on is: Frugality is Key !!
Oh yeah…what I posted was totally posted from the view point that I only need X dollars to retire, I’m going to work until I hit that amount, then stop. Different strokes for different folks though…for people who just want to save 10% a year(if that), enjoy the rest, and work til they hit SS age, then what I’ve said about chasing a high paying job not really being worth it probably sounds nuts.
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