Finally, men are talking not judging

[vercingetorixParticipant 2]

As It’s Saturday night, and I’m going to the pub for a couple of drinks, I’ll have to be brief.  Ever since I have had to walk away from a bad situation and my children ended up estranged from me, I have been MGTOW, the term being invented after the fact.  I guess I have always been wary of women.  Constantly changing their minds, blaming others for their faults and misfortune, and genrally being nasty(passive/aggressive) when they don’t get their way.  Starting with a domineering mother and add to that social conditioning from the sixties to now telling men how bad they are, I ended up a true white knight mangina.  My separation and divorce was na nightmare, because I kept expecting that in a free and democratic society, the “justice system” would be fair to all involved.  Well, that didn’t really work so well for me.  Even after years of hate and bitterness(all the while the manginas around me explained about NWALTS) I still had the mangina white knight syndrome.  I got involved with a woman, and poured a good deal of $$$ into her business.  Never have seen a penny from that.  When I started to look more into the MGTOW philosphy, I thought, finally! I have found something that articulates how I have been feeling for years.  A group of the same tired and abused men who are done with trying to please the gender that can never be happy.  Thank God I found this forum.  I’m not looking to hate women anymore, just to deal with life without them.  I have or am starting to face the fact that I will be single for the rest of my life.  Thanks t0 MGTOW.

[MendokusaiParticipant 256]

Welcome ,I had a useless mother with no maternal instinct at all,my step mother wasn’t much better as she had all the warmth of a computer.

So I am thankful for at least having a good father because some kids have neither and their life really sucks.

One good point of all this is it taught me early on to be wary of womin,that they were not really “sugar & spice & everything nice”.

[vercingetorixParticipant 2]

My mother was far from useless.  She was domineering is all.  I would say the culture in general does more to damage boys.  I would even say they are damaging women as well.  Maybe why more mothers are becoming more useless.  I at least had someone at home when I left for school(about 8:30AM) and got home from school(about 4-4:30PM) .  I guess it’s more important to have a job than to raise the next generation of the human race.  Oh, and as far as men staying home raising children…. I am completely against.  It’s as if we are trying to convince ourselves that we are as nurturing as womyn.  I am not.  My father never got up in the middle of the night.  Yes he did change poopy diapers because there were so many children to look after, it had to be a shared responsibility.  He also worked about 70-80 hours/week to feed all of us.  My mother recognized this fact and looked after the home.  Women, in my opinion are far better, generally speaking, at the domestic duties.  I’m sure they don’t like it, but I never enjoyed working outside in -40C either.  I think once we all stop being manginas and giving into the gynocentrism, things will go back to normal.

[…Spectator 1165]

vercingetorix: welcome! all financial dealings with women should be written down and signed and dated by them. and notarized. and five copies of each document in safe locations. the number of my friends that invested in businesses with woman is countless. it is not a woman’s nature to pay their bills. that is what YOU are there for. F~~~. Glad you figured it out man. this human drama acted out repeats itself and it often goes like this:

woman waves vag at man. has stupid business idea. can’t match first round funding. gives up vag instead. male gives up his cash to keep vag available. woman withdraws vag, goes to the hive, brags to other women about her conquest. begins search to replace man who financed the operation. invites all her friends to her new office that you paid for. they come in, sniff around, and complain that you didn’t spend enough, etc. business fails. you are blamed for everything real and imagined. next mangina gets talked into suing you over some made up s~~~ so she can upgrade to the next guy. you now have all the creditors of the failing business calling, emailing, knocking on your door, and she now thinks you are offensive, creepy, and you are making her uncomfortable which is why you got a restraining order brought to your office. I AM NOT MAKING THIS S~~~ UP so ListenUp! guys.

Once you have enough experience or get old enough to see this pattern in them, you are on the path to sanity and independence. I hope the younger guys are listening. I had hope for women for more than 25 years but I just fail to see women changing their behavior to make them suitable for conversation now. so young mgtow: hit that pussy. drink it up. love that s~~~. leave that s~~~ behind before she takes all your s~~~.

i still love going to the pub man. nothing like a dark Guinness.

[Smacktalk73Participant 296]

I am one of those “manginas” I suppose, but I do think men are just as capable as women of raising children.  They are just constantly having the opportunity to be true nurturers snatched/co-opted from them.   And it is tragic.  Nothing says you have to be passive or girly to raise a child.

I raise my boys half the time.  They are two and four years old.  Right now, my house is full of monster trucks, model train sets, etc.  We sit around and laugh about farts all day.  It is man-central.

But, and here’s where I get sappy, I have NEVER been in love with any woman the way I am in love with my sons.  They are beautiful, amazing extensions of myself.  They are the best part of my life.  I have relationships with women now, but they are all second to my boys, not out of disrespect, just because my boys are my family.

It makes me really angry that so few men these days get to be close to their kids in this way, without a woman butting in and trying to take the kids, take most of the credit for raising the kids, or demand that the man support her along with the kids.  Not to say all women do this, but it is so simple to do, and comes so naturally with the training they receive, that it happens a ton.

[IronSoldierParticipant 55]

I don’t think your belief that men are just as capable as women at raising children — or doing anything, for that matter — makes you a mangina, Smacktalk73.  Women are stereotyped as the “nurturers” and men are not seen that way, and that’s complete bulls~~~.  We are not our father’s fathers.  We are a new generation of men; a generation of men raised by our mothers.  We now have the tools to be nurturers also, and are just as good at it as our female counterparts if we use those tools.  The pendulum has swung and finally equilibrated.  This old, but still strong stereotype of women as the sole nurturers inures greatly to the female party’s favor not only in custody matters, but also in all the other ancillary matters in a divorce, because the “default” notion is that the mother will be the primary nurturer of the children (even if there is an evenly split physical custody arrangement), and she therefore needs the financial resources to support that role.  And where will those financial resources come from?  From the man’s “deep pockets,” of course!

In fact, I’d say that men are better at women than raising children.  As Keymaster aptly pointed out,

women treat “children” like property, and they use them as leverage for their own selfish ends with no regard for the child’s well-being. How could they be fit to parent, if they want sole custody and fight in court over sole visitation to deny the child access to one of the parents? That’s inhumane and unacceptable. Any woman who does that (but still happily takes his f~~~ing money) is unfit to parent.

[vercingetorixParticipant 2]

I didn’t mean to say that men cannot be nurturing, but it is going against the way things are intended to be.  Can a man raise a child, sure he can.  Can he do it well?  Without a doubt.  Do many women do a crappy job as mothers, you bet.  You are not a mangina for saying you love your kids.  That is not what I meant at all.  I was a mangina in the way I considered being in a relationship with a woman.  In fact it was because I was such a mangina that I am now alienated from my children.  This is how the MGTOW philosophy is going to restore balance.  Children need the influence of both genders.  I was raised by both my mother and father.  They are still married(55 years)  My father was not one to take any s~~~ from her.  On the other hand she understood the sacrifice needed to raise her family, from both her and my Dad.  They respected each other and knew the jobs each one had to do.  I would argue that there is no balance today.  Women want to be the woman and the man.  They want to be Father and Mother, because they have been told from an early age they can “have it all.”  When they realize the golden vagina will no longer enslave men, their attitudes will change.  I don’t want to be a hater of women, only one who would like to see balance restored.

[tsParticipant 109]

Children need the influence of both genders.

Biologically a human child needs a female for being born and breast-feed afterwards. That’s it. What follows is just drama and more or less failing in any serious upbringing. That’s why a surrogate is a good thing for a child.

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