Feminism in the USSR.

[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

They didn’t know they are feminists.
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[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

The women in the USSR had possessed all rights modern feminists claim for. I’ve been watching our black-skinned brother whose nickname is MrDawson38 on YouTube, and he was pretty good in his observation the problem. So based on his video (it’s downloaded here on the site) I say Soviet government in contrast to the modern governments (and the US government of 70s) wasn’t a shugar daddy for the women. Things was simple. You contribute to the State – you get paid, you don’t contribute – you don’t get paid, in the worst case you will get jailed. That’s all.

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[GeraldParticipant 3628]

Makes me think of the sidebar “stop oppressing me” picture

No longer can we walk away, we must run. Remove the motive power.

[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

I’m thinking about this act-like-a-cancer s~~~ that has metastasized across the world. It’s the modern female trend to do nothing to live and be proud of it. Many women today is just a useless biomass. In the all Russian history the Russian women were never spoiled before in such a huge number as it’s today. I have never been the USSR’s fan but after encountering MGTOW I understand that the way of that society was more promising.

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[Anonymous 25]

Do Russian woman feminists take Polar bears hostage as pets instead of cats?

I think I found one:

[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

You know I had never close encounters with feminists here. I’m sure they do exist somewhere in s small number and most of them in Moscow. Soviet Union is still well remembered and men remeber working women. So I guess all the Russian c~~~s afraid of it.
– I wanna equal rights!
– No problems, darling! Here are your tools! Don’t be late for work!

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[GrumpyParticipant]

Feminism is an ill conceived an unaffordable luxury.
Survival isn’t.
Feminists like to point to certain things in history and claim “feminists” did X, Y, or Z when it was in fact, people trying to survive.
It is easy to sit in the comforts of the modern world and whine about how hard life is, while not actually having to face a do it or die scenario.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Silver FoxParticipant 2766]

Though I have never visited Russia, I have read extensively on its history as a personal interest. Feminism never had the same flavor in Russia during the Soviet era as it did in the west. Although women worked and you see lots of propaganda photos of women doing noble, heroic things, there was definitely a gender division that the communists were never able to overcome.

In many cases, women were required to fill in the gaps left by men who were in the army. The Soviets required monthly and yearly quotas for all industries, and if the men weren’t there to work then the women had to do it.

After World War 2, the population was decreased by between 20 and 40 million (sources differ). Approximately 9-14 million of these were men in the military, and the rest were civilian deaths (women, children, elderly).

America has never experienced anything remotely like this. I can only imagine that third-wave feminism and SJWs would just shrivel up and vanish if something that cataclysmic happened here.

Harsh realities spared Russia from many negative effects that the west now experiences. This is not a credit to communism at all, just an understanding of what happens to a society that experiences decades of hard life. Generations of soft, decadent, lazy people have produced a horrible society in western countries.

"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul

[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

Silver Fox wrote:

After World War 2, the population was decreased by between 20 and 40 million (sources differ). Approximately 9-14 million of these were men in the military, and the rest were civilian deaths (women, children, elderly).

Today’s official numbers of looses are 10 million militaries and about 16 million civilians.
Of course the World War 2 triggered the biggest mobilization of the women’s labor resources, but that was not something unusual. Women in Russia were always involved in work in big numbers. Even in the end of the IX century it was not something extremal to give a birth right on the field during haymaking, then breastfeeding the child, put him aside and be back to the work. So I’m surprised by the long forgotten word “propaganda”.
Since the defintion of the word “propoganda” says: “Information, especially of a biased or misleading nature.“, the phrase:”Lots of propoganda photos” sounds like There was never such thing.

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[Silver FoxParticipant 2766]

What I meant by “propaganda photos of women doing heroic, noble things” is that the Soviets were good at crafting images to show exactly what they wanted to the world. The bias or misleading element comes from the Soviets attempting to show Russia as the worker’s paradise when Russian life was in reality much harsher. Certainly there were lots of propaganda photos of men too, not just women.

I agree with you that women have always been involved in huge numbers in the workforce throughout Russian history. I hope it didn’t sound like I was suggesting otherwise.

In addition to World War 2, Russian civilians also died by the millions in the famines in the the years prior. In 1921 alone there were five million deaths, but the image the Soviets portrayed to the west didn’t reflect that.

Anyway, I agree with your point. Women in Russia have never been exempt from working hard. Harsh realities in Russia demanded it, even prior to the Revolution. That’s why I made the observation that feminism never had a western flavor in Russia (at least not historically).

I should point out, however, that this didn’t mean that marriage was heaven-on-earth for men. Women were still nagging, irritable, and shrewish. 🙂

"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul

[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

Silver Fox wrote:

In 1921 alone there were five million deaths,

Three million. And seven million died in the famine of 1932-1933.

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[Silver FoxParticipant 2766]

Suggestius wrote:

Silver Fox wrote:

In 1921 alone there were five million deaths,

Three million. And seven million died in the famine of 1932-1933.

According to Richard Pipes, “Russia Under the Bolshevik Regime” (1993), the population deficit was 5.1 million, reported from the Soviet Central Statistical Bureau. However, estimates range from 1.5 million to 3 million directly related to starvation, but another few million for related causes, such as typhus, cholera, etc.

It’s hard to pinpoint an exact number. But we’re in the ballpark.

Bear in mind that disease is the number one killer in situations like this. Once the body is weakened through hunger, usually death comes through the range of infections the body is now susceptible to. Many outlying villages across rural Russia were more or less isolated with little access to outside aid. Starvation by itself is only 50% of the equation in counting deaths.

Anyway, yes, Russia experienced famines… there was another in the late 1800s that claimed another 350-400,000.

I highly recommend Richard Pipes. He has written a few books on Soviet history and I like his style.

"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul

[Mr.KraftParticipant 236]

Russia is following Americas footsteps right now. Women still get owned there, but it is changing with drastic pace. Give it another 10-20 years and they will be exactly where USA is at right now when it comes to females and relationships.

[Silver FoxParticipant 2766]

I agree, unless there is a significant implosion in the west (economic meltdown? war?) that will scare Russian society in a different direction. Who knows what that geopolitical scenario would look like…

"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul

[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

Richard Pipes is an American historian who have written many books about Russia from the Ancient times to the modern Russia. He did well. I only doubt they are worth of my attention since he didn’t live in Russia and it’s odd to me how could he write so many books about the country he visits from time to time just to take a part in different political events. I also don’t believe he has been to the Soviet Central Statistical Bureau. It was not a public library.

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[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

Since today was kind of the USSR day I will end it with a few video, mostly with scenes from the Soviet movies from different years. Those you will never experience by yourself.

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[Silver FoxParticipant 2766]

Are you Russian, Suggestius? Or do you live in Russia now?

I don’t think it’s fair to dismiss an historian simply because he didn’t live in Russia. If you disagree with Pipes’ conclusions, may I ask what your sources are that lead you to disagree with him? How do you know that Pipes is inaccurate?

Regarding Pipes, he is a highly regarded historian with extensive knowledge of his subject matter. You can become well versed in your area of historical interest without sharing ethnicity or citizenship of the people who live in a different country. Challenging someone’s knowledge simply because he is not like you is a form of the logical fallacy Appealing to Authority.

"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul

[Silver FoxParticipant 2766]

Also, don’t get me wrong… I like Russia! Again, although I’ve never been there, I would very much like to visit someday. I think Russia is unjustly maligned in most of the west. I am trying to learn the Russian language but I admit it is quite difficult since I don’t know anyone who can speak it to me. I have to rely on videos and books.

"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul

[bladeParticipant]

Is there a single mother pandemic in Russia just out of curiosity.

Do woman have kids to different fathers with no shame .

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

blade wrote:

Is there a single mother pandemic in Russia just out of curiosity.

Do woman have kids to different fathers with no shame .

It depends on how many men are fathers of her kids. If she has 3 kids from 3 different fathers then people will be whispering behind her back. Such behaviour isn’t welcome by the society. Normally if a single mother wants her man handcuffed, she gets pregnant from him. I knew such things. Mostly it’s the man’s mistake. He wants to raise his own kid but instead of this he gets few kids. 😀

If the term “a single mother pandemic” means the c~~~s who consider themselves as strong and independent women having children who need no the father/the man, I wouldn’t say there is a single mother pandemic. Yet I’ve heard that 80% of mothers are single, but no one counted how many single mothers are cohabiting with men without marriage.

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