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Hey everyone, I’m kind of embarrassed to even type this
(Please feel free to skip the “my background” part. Just wanted to give you an ideal of myself).I’m 28, and I never been in a real relationship with a woman. Yes, I suck I know, and I’ve tried to for years. To be honest, I’ve been really depressed lately, and I could use someone to chat with/talk to, cause I feel hopeless and like pure dogs~~~.
My Background (OPTIONAL):
I’m a black male around 5’10, and more of the intellectual type. I have no debt, vehicles paid off, and managed to get my net worth (no house included) to be above 6 figures without a bachelors. I work a benign/very little pay job that shows 10% respect (staff and consumers) just to pay the monthly bills (sometimes I get 1-2 hour breaks+lunch), and focus a lot of my time building a business. I focused first on building my credit up, learning finance, marketing, sales, and business concepts. Anyways, I’m fervent about becoming an entrepreneur, and I have no family/little friends (which I expect) for support. They often mock me for not having a degree, and tell me to go do a blue collar job with benefits and leave that hobby entrepreneur s~~~ alone, or I’m almost 30 with no degree, what woman is ever going to want me? I dabbled before with a business, and failed at it I must admit (I am still getting paid from it, but very little). I’m just focused, feel I’m far, but close to solving a need (sounds weird, but I hope you can understand). It’s like having the treasure map, but trying to get to the x.
Anyways, I don’t know what I am? TFL? A loser (ha probably)? I have not had any success with women. From around 17 to now, it has been rejection after rejection after rejection. I tried PUA (yes, even Kezia courses, shame on me), just about everything. I then found Sandman on youtube (nearly watched every one of his videos), ingested the red pill (a calm anger, then depression happened), and at times, I feel I don’t want a woman (I see how cruel they can be), then there’s times when I want intimacy (sex) and a woman briefly (like to talk to, not marriage or anything long term). I guess you can say casually date (at a arms reach). So I guess I’m TFL because women don’t actually want me, I have to always do a lot just get one’s attention before it ends or I get rejected, or settle for a very overweight slob who still thinks she has a golden vag, which I gruesomely detest.
I just feel like the odds are against me, and I know men should go their own way, but I can’t control it, I like sex and want to be around a woman (just from time to time). But how can you get something that doesn’t want you? I have a lot of flaws, here’s just a small list:
*Looks. Some women ask if I’m a woman online. Seems like no matter what I do, I cant change it. I also look very young, nowhere near my age, and can’t grow a beard for s~~~ (only facial hair, and the bad facial hair that looks like pubes).
*Introvert/shy
*Braces (my teeth were f~~~ed up (Micheal strahan jr.), so as soon as I improved my finances, I got them and paid them off all at once).
*Going bald (the hair transplant doctor said my only options are rogaine, propecia, and biotin). A f~~~ed up peter with a full set of hair?
*Glasses (optometrist suggested I don’t get LASIK, would have the issues based on my stigma when I get older).
*Gyno (just paid for my braces and over 9k of credit card balances. I am going to wait until I can drop a ton of this and not even care).
*Race
*Thin (I have the opposite of a fat person problem. I have a fast metabolism so I get skinny), and no muscles. I’m working on this aspect now (just bought some 15 pound weights, P90X, and a set of resistance bands. Looking for protein powder next. Have been running 3 miles+ to improve stamina.I don’t know, I just wanted to post on here, and actually vent out. I didn’t type this to have a pity party, or anything. I just never felt so low at times, and have been really down. It seems like there’s no light at the end of the tunnel.
I’ll probably never experience a woman, so I’ve been devising a plan, and feel I have 2 options in life:
A.)Get a hooker
B.)Get a sugar babyI’m leaning towards A). Originally wanted to go to Las Vegas, but it seems like the price is ridiculous (even though I could probably fly for hardly anything), so I’m looking at Amsterdam or Thailand (not sure). Never been out the country, so maybe I should have some fun and go somewhere new? I got the chase sapphire credit card to help with travel, and am on my last hpv shot (have 4 more months). I also have been working on a small business gig that is adding extra income (a couple hundred/month, so it will take a few months to pay for the trip from this).
Anyways, that’s all I have to say. I know, very long, just had to get it off my chest. Appreciate you taking the time to read it.
Hey brother, I can relate to your tale of woe. I’m pretty much invisible to the ladies because I don’t flaunt wealth, am introverted, but a decent bloke, healthy weight. I mustn’t tick all the things the hive tells them about in their crappy magazines and blogs. Oh well too bad, another good man left the plantation. I dont put it all down to me though, its slim pickings around my neck of the woods, and I’m sandwiched between lower and upper class parts of the city.
As for hooker v Thailand, book your flight, stay 3 weeks or more, don’t be a sucker and send money to your new girlfriend when you get back, have fun and protect yourself from STDs.
"Society is to blame" Denton
When i started high school(Dominican Republic), only ugly girls ever got close to me, then i finished high school in the U.S. and no girls will even bother to hold a 20 minute conversation with me, at around 23 of age i started to blossom and women were really coming after me, my ex, random girls i met on meet up sites, etc….
Now that i have ingested the red pill and gone MONK MODE, i really couldn’t give my time of the day to these parasites men of today even think about dating, let alone having sex with them!. I am not here to criticize you and how you feel, but when you think low of yourself or that you aren’t worth s~~~ because no body chases you, it tells me one thing, you have not spend enough time ALONE, i am serious, you should try and spend some more time ALONE and pursue things that can trigger passion in you for newer things.
Working in retail is a detriment to you, your health and your emotional stability or mental sanity, i worked for 6 years in retail and i regret ever getting in, i was a manager, sales associate, assistant manager, Hated them all to be honest with you, pay was crap, customers were the worse and my jobs would constantly pressure me to be the “best” and would question me for everything i ever did right or wrong.
If you have money saved up, if i was you i would get into trade school and live off your savings until you graduate, get a grant from the government, trade schools like community schools can give you 11-12 month classes for like 1-2k dollars and give you a career that you wont have to put up with so much pressure from society, they also pay good, i did some research and a welder makes about $18.50 to $24.45 an hour!.
Bottom line, explore prayer, meditation, tai chi, yoga, spirituality, read books, drink tea, explore places by yourself, BECAUSE YOU ARE WORTH MORE THAN WHAT YOUR MOTHER COULD EVER PUT A TAG ON.
I’m 28, and I never been in a real relationship with a woman. Yes, I suck I know,
Why do you suck?
Judging your worth based on your relationships with women is a p~~~ poor metric.
From the other stuff you said it sound to me like you’re getting your life in order. You’re paying off debts. You’re fixing your teeth. You’re getting into shape. The f~~~ cares what women think? Especially since at 28 you are right at the cusp where their own social worth is about to plummet.
Trust me, at 28 the LAST thing you want to do is f~~~ the rest of your life over some just barely pre-Wall slag. In the next five years you are going to see a complete inversion of the social order, assuming you don’t f~~~ up and get hooked by one of them.
I’ll probably never experience a woman,
Ask some of the divorced men here about what it’s like to truly “experience a woman”.
Women are like antifreeze: they seem sweet at first taste but they are really toxic to you.
Keep to being an entrepreneur… women will simply destroy your dreams. This is so true.
The only reason I’m even got a gf after the wife left was because I got a vasectomy. Even then one is not 100% safe from female machinations, but it does take away one very powerful thing they could use against me.
All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.
I’m 28, and I never been in a real relationship with a woman. Yes, I suck I know
Wrong! relations~~~s suck not you.
Anyways, I don’t know what I am? TFL? A loser (ha probably)? I have not had any success with women.
You are YOU, why are you giving women so much credit over your life that THEY haven’t earned? Do you understand that outside of sex they offer nothing….and I mean nothing, so why after all your hard work as well as savings do you feel the need to let these nothings be your barometer for if you’re a loser or not? Sir you have been socially conditioned to the fullest and you have to find a way to snap out of it. There is more to you and life then a wet meat hole because thats all it is. Biology can be stubborn but never be a slave to it. Focus on building yourself as a man and your business and leave women to the waist side. You will never loose women chasing money, but you’ll sure as hell loose money chasing women.I know this sounds cliché but find hobbies to keep yourself busy and if you must get off look into buying a fleshlight (fleshlight.com) to get rid of the venom. The lizard brain has no problem with ruining your life for that dopamine rush so just fleshlight it he will never know the difference. I dont know if you watch TV but if you do KILL IT! Its programming is meant to keep you chained to male slavery and brainwashed into thinking women are some carnival prize to be won when men are the real prize. Read more on this forum, especially from the men who have been through the relations~~~ grinder and you will see you are one lucky guy to have dodged this bullet. Stay the course my man and I hope you take the advise on this post seriously.
Never lose sight of what brought you here.
If you really want an affordable, risk-free alternative to women, you could get this: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00UYSDUTG/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=25XHA1K2LU40Z&coliid=I3GGGL87Z6SAHT
All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.
Hey bro, welcome to MGTOW. I’m really glad you made this post, I think you and me are very much alike. I stand very firm in my MGTOW beliefs, regardless of my lack of success getting PUSI. But when I’m feeling low, I feel like its all an elaborate defense mechanism against low self esteem by my subconcious. I’ll tell myself that the only reason I’m MGTOW is because I dont get laid. Its like I’m caught inbetween staying true to my own beliefs, and trying to live up to society’s standards. Its f~~~ed. Well guess what: Incomplete is how women WANT you to feel, its what gives them power over us.
What makes it even harder though, is seeing all the MGTOW’s on these forums who get a seemingly endless supply of the good good. Yet I have no other choice but to hire girls for it. As much as it sucks to lose money, I’d definitely recommend it to you so you can see for yourself how stupid sex is anyways and get rid of that VCARD because its f~~~ing your head up.
Holla at me if you wanna talk to a guy who understands what you’re going through.
Brother, we need to stick together.
Anonymous12I red the first twenty words of your intro and wanted to smash your face and simultaneously find a way to wake you up.
Let me finish my shift, get home and reply in about 6 hours.
You deserve some extra attention and your intro deserves to be dismantled piece by piece.
Cannot do that now.sit tight.
and F~~~ me sideways…
WELCOME. double and triple.
it has been rejection after rejection after rejection
Both a woman’s rejection and her approval are based on her emotion-based decision making, and are, therefore, WORTHLESS.
Judging your worth based on your relationships with women is a p~~~ poor metric.
Integrate THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ into your mindset.
When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.
Anonymous12Hey everyone, I’m kind of embarrassed to even type this
(Please feel free to skip the “my background” part. Just wanted to give you an ideal of myself).I’m 28, and I never been in a real relationship with a woman. Yes, I suck I know, and I’ve tried to for years. To be honest, I’ve been really depressed lately, and I could use someone to chat with/talk to, cause I feel hopeless and like pure dogs~~~.
So you already bash yourself within the first words.
You judge your own self according to how many women you had your way with.“LEL” there is your reason why you are dogs~~~ helpless (yea i just said that).
You are dogs~~~ because the number of pussy you licked fingered and stuck your dick into is somehow not high enough.Okay. keep this in mind.
My Background (OPTIONAL):
I’m a black male around 5’10, and more of the intellectual type. I have no debt, vehicles paid off, and managed to get my net worth (no house included) to be above 6 figures without a bachelors. I work a benign/very little pay job that shows 10% respect (staff and consumers) just to pay the monthly bills (sometimes I get 1-2 hour breaks+lunch), and focus a lot of my time building a business. I focused first on building my credit up, learning finance, marketing, sales, and business concepts. Anyways, I’m fervent about becoming an entrepreneur, and I have no family/little friends (which I expect) for support. They often mock me for not having a degree, and tell me to go do a blue collar job with benefits and leave that hobby entrepreneur s~~~ alone, or I’m almost 30 with no degree, what woman is ever going to want me? I dabbled before with a business, and failed at it I must admit (I am still getting paid from it, but very little). I’m just focused, feel I’m far, but close to solving a need (sounds weird, but I hope you can understand). It’s like having the treasure map, but trying to get to the x.
And here is exactly why you should forget Pussy.
right there under your fat pimple nose.
No debt.
You do not owe anyone anything. no Bank can bust your door and drag you away from a house or a car, take it away and dump you anywhere. Nobody is impeding your mental and physical independence.Build a Business
Good! Excellent!Family, or what little you have mock you
If you had a degree and made a s~~~load of money they would still mock you(behind your back), and open their hands to get “their share”.
F~~~em and keep F~~~in´em.Blue collar job / degree
A blue collar Job may be the way to go if you want to get more cash and experience – depending on the type of business you want to get started.
Do not let the lack of official education hold your back to build your own education.
Keep reading, keep asking question and learn to ask the right questions.
Lack of respect, and the bad feelings it brings only holds you back.you said
“i suck” and you said “i feel ashamed”Silence! Stop it!
you are on your goddamn track!
what do you need pussy for!
seriously, mate, if what you write is accurate, and you want to find independence in your own business, and then kick the disrespectful people out of your life…
Damn, that´s an awesome idea!Anyways, I don’t know what I am? TFL? A loser (ha probably)? I have not had any success with women. From around 17 to now, it has been rejection after rejection after rejection. I tried PUA (yes, even Kezia courses, shame on me), just about everything. I then found Sandman on youtube (nearly watched every one of his videos), ingested the red pill (a calm anger, then depression happened), and at times, I feel I don’t want a woman (I see how cruel they can be), then there’s times when I want intimacy (sex) and a woman briefly (like to talk to, not marriage or anything long term). I guess you can say casually date (at a arms reach). So I guess I’m TFL because women don’t actually want me, I have to always do a lot just get one’s attention before it ends or I get rejected, or settle for a very overweight slob who still thinks she has a golden vag, which I gruesomely detest.
Not a loser, see above.
and stop insulting yourself right now.
not even insult yourself to get a thick skin … so that insults of others hurt you less.
Please, please stop embarrassing yourself.
We are not here to finish you off or test your resistance to shaming.I understand , i think, your need for female companionship. kissing, steamy sex and after that a good old cuddling session while both calm down…
Hey … i understand that.
If you have had this experience already, seek it out again i would say.
If not, i hope you find it.make a difference though, a fine, but critical difference:
she does not get to judge you. not tell you what she thinks you should do. what job to take, what project to pursue or whom to seek help from…I cannot comment on the rest regarding yourself or how to build a sexual experience.
But 9k for Braces paid cash in hand tells me you have your s~~~ together.
You have no reason to be embarrassed, you have all reason to stand tall. All five foot ten of it.now stop standing. start sitting.
and have a beer with the rest of us.I’ll probably never experience a woman,
Ask some of the divorced men here about what it’s like to truly “experience a woman”.
All the OP has to do is READ.
There’s PLENTY of “experiences with Women” posted on here daily !!
In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash
Yes, I suck I know, and I’ve tried to for years. To be honest, I’ve been really depressed lately, and I could use someone to chat with/talk to, cause I feel hopeless and like pure dogs~~~.
Welcome to the forums SolomonEinstein, I didn’t reply right away cause I was feeling very tired lately (not young anymore) so yeah you aren’t feeling at your best either! Life is F~~~ing difficult! it’s a real jungle out there.. And it’s out to get us! None of us can make it out alive .. So..it makes it even harder to go on with that thought in mind (We never know when The Grim Reaper will be knocking at our door!)
The men on this site will be there for you brother, and my advice is ..Never make a life changing decision when depressed!
When you are not too tired you could check out this posting I Did a while ago! Welcome again.
You must own a better Crystal ball than IWow, you guys made me do a near 180…I want to say thank you @macho, @awakened, @g-mow (thanks alot!), @solomonswisdom, @the_young, @rangerone314, @shin, @sidecar, @themaninthemountain, and @MGTOWmonkeyakaNoMore!
Can’t explain how today has been, but I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone.
Twilight Zone Day:
I woke up early, and read every post from here (g-mow had the latest), tried to reply, but it was time for work. I didnt get on pof, kik, fb or any dating site. Took the advice given above, and stopped focusing as much on women.Work let me come in come in 30 minutes later, plus got my 2hour break. I forgot my lunch, so on my break I went back home, and a guy nearby gave me a ton of used wheels for FREE (I could potentially make $100-300, not bad).
Then my side gig had a ton of sales come in for some reason. This is no way trying to brag or anything, but I was ecstatic, I grossed (before expenses) over $420 (on 4/20 ha)!
I also have a few self-taught programming skills, so a friend is hired me to do some basic server work for $200 (shouldnt take but 1-2 hours), so I’m just really grateful at the moment.
In Ice Cube voice, “Today was a good day”. Yesterday, I was so depressed, I felt like I hit a dead wall, and I dont know, I feel like you guys thoughts, words of wisdom/energy has put me in the right direction. Cant say thank you enough to everyone!
As for a business, I’m really wondering if I should pursue real estate? Part of my side business is selling. While my coworkers are gossiping at lunch, I’m learning sales, copywriting, and applying my skills. I really have a knack for selling, and have taught myself a few things.
Anonymous12I would say steady on.
you are just at the start. keep your head straight and whatever you miss will come soon enough.
And its a handful to live through.so I’m looking at Amsterdam
Bro’, when you need your opposite as your wingman there, leave me a note. I’m in Rotterdam quite regularly, a former seaman and living in “the most beautiful city on earth”, including “world’s most sinniest mile.” 😉
Seriously, I take it, you have had a bad day, but the most severe misconception is to define your own success by how much of approval you get by society or expressively women.
You want to f~~~ your brains out, just for getting the sex thing of your brains?
How about this one? Wilhelmstad, Curacao? have been there and that is a men’s disneyland including really beautiful women of all shades, a whiskey bar, a sprotsbar a few snack bars and dozens of small huts where women are available at reasonable price. http://www.campoalegresex.com/The really good thing is the 10 Dollar entrance fee, which pays for security present and keeps criminals to a tolerable minimum. There are still pick-pocktes but it is a really rare occcasion and these are very likely to run into some security patrols, who don’t bother calling police.
"Him, who delights in solitude, is either a wild beast or a GOD!" - Aristotle (Aristot. Pol. 1.1253a) 1 Hom. Il. 9.63; the passage goes on: ἐστὶν ἐκεῖνος ι ὃς πολέμου ἔραται.
Hey everyone,
I didn’t want to just post a few times on here and go ghost, just have been through alot this past months or so. I had a relative close to me pass, and took it really bad. Couldn’t work for about a week, and not sure what happened, but I couldn’t remember or focus for a week straight either, it was like I had a PTSD event or something?
Anyways, alot of events just fell all at once. I’ve literally come to a breaking point with my job. I’m sick and tired of waking up early, leaving late, and people cussing me out/treating me beneath them, like s~~~ everyday. To paint a picture, its like being a waiter where people throw turds at you, you have do it with a smile on your face, and after working about a month straight, you made a enough just not to break even. Can’t travel, can’t have fun, just bills, bills, and more bills.
So went ahead and nearly overworked myself a few weeks ago, and saved enough from my side business that recently failed (trends crash haha) to not have to go back for a little bit. I dont know, I just feel like I’m in dark tunnel at times, but there is light somewhere.
As for dating/women go, it has been terrible to worst as usual. I tried online dating a bit, but more rejection, or if I manage to get a date, she makes a excuse always the day of or eventually stops talking (nothing different). I’m burnt out to be honest. Like just don’t even feel like dating, going after a women anymore, I wave my flag. Its like hanging a kobe steak towards a dog, teasing him with it, and the dog eventually goes back to his doghouse, and says “I’ll die of starvation before I try grabbing that steak again”.
Idk what to do? Save up for strip clubs, or continue building on the planned trip above and get a few hookers in Amsterdam? I’ve really been considering Japan, and with the recent events in Europe, I’m kind of wondering about that option? So far I have saved over $800 towards travel:
(I have other points not shown, which is how I get to over $800).So enough of ranting, just wanted to say I appreciate everyone who chimed in. I dont really hate too many friends, so it feels good to come on here, and talk.
You’re obviously dealing with a lot of loss right now..not many people can go through what you’re going through. As the famous Frank Sinatra sang,
“I said, that’s life and as funny as it may seem
Some people get their kicks
Stompin’ on a dream
But I don’t let it, let it get me down
‘Cause this fine old world keeps on spinnin around”The world keeps spinnin around man. You’re gonna go through some tough s~~~ for a while.
But let me tell you something, chasing women is NOT going to make it better. Even if you DO get laid, the amount of bulls~~~ you have to put up with isnt even worth it, and it could ruin you forever. That’s why I don’t bother. They don’t pay attention to me, therefore I dont care about them. My new concept is “I do NOT want what I cannot have”.
In terms of finding reason/purpose to live…F~~~ it you don’t need one. I come to work, eat sleep p~~~ and s~~~. that’s basically it. By trying to get a full 8 hours sleep(which makes you feel amazing and 50% less depressed) every night, it barely leaves time for fun anymore anyways. Just work, keep at it, try new investment opportunities etc., don’t give up.
Research what trends are becoming more available like you said! With gun laws starting to become more strict, Airsoft is starting to become more popular, try selling airsoft guns online perhaps.
You will find your peace in this world, I know it. You do have the potential to be great. The amount of self development you can accomplish in just a year is astounding. Once you realize that, you’ll see why you don’t need women in your life, and why they are rather poisonous.
Brother, we need to stick together.
I do hope things are picking up. But I know where you’re coming from. I’m only twenty five and have figured out that we were born in a generation of selfish deceitful money hungry me me me women. It took two women in my life to make me MGTOW the first one broke me both mind and spirit. The second one made me question my sanity and drove a wedge between me and my family. Other than those two I’ve been rejected by women every time I asked them out. But I think it was good that I was rejected. Lord knows what nightmare may have rose with them. I can understand the want for a physical time with the opposite sex. But here’s the thing women like money right? well there’s women who will take you to heaven and back for a few bucks. That’s if your desperate. Or you could do what I have done in the past when those urges hit me. I call it the purge which is jacking off so much that you lose all interest in sex for weeks. You have to show the little guy who’s boss and after fifteen times in the span of two days he won’t be bothering me for a while. Yeah it’s extreme but it works. And as for dating sites I only use those to get some good LOL’s and to remind me of why I chose this path.
No one knows the true worth of a man.
You want sex ?, get a hooker or escort, bang away and then get on with your life.
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