Experience, Fact & Theory re MGTOW

[Dr. SableParticipant 1064]

For the younger guy’s.

I had a hard time creating a good topic title but I will try and explain what it’s about as best as I can
with somewhat a limited vocabulary.

Now: I guess some of you younger guy’s may find that because you have a certain lack of real life experience that you may be missing on some aspects relating to how well you understand women. That it makes you incomplete. Something you can’t put your finger on so to speak.

We the older guys have lived and experienced what women and society have done to males and we tell and
record those events on this forum to provide a glimpse or theory of what the younger guys can expect in
real life some day.

For for example, a person steps in front of a buss and gets killed.
Would you step in front of a fast running car just to experience what it’s like to satisfy your curiosity ?
Would you knowingly go diving in shark infested waters after reading all the signs warning you not to ?
No you would not because theoretically you have learned that it may cause you harm or death.

I’m not saying that you should stop experiencing life as that is stupid and prevents one from developing
as a person, but some things are better left alone because the price may be too high. Be happy in knowing
that other men’s experiences are being related to you so that you do not make the same mistakes.

When it comes to women, you do not need to have the experience when there are so many facts and theories
that leave them wide open and show them for what they truly are. Some will say not all are bad but potentially they are all alike. That is theory and fact.

You got the theory here and you don’t need to experience their treachery, extortion, and countless other
catastrophes they will rain down upon you if given half a chance and that is a fact.

Zero Tolerance

[BrujahParticipant 579]

I’m certain there are just some things people need to experience first hand. Having gone through the motions of the dating game and relationships, I can safely agree first hand but I can’t say the same about my acquaintances who have not gotten laid, much less held a girl’s hand who are constantly getting themselves into a deep depression to acquire female attention.

I had to force myself into a relationship at one point because I thought it was all I ever needed. Forced myself through the motions. In the end it all it did was leave a sour taste.

I may have fallen to the snare on several occasions after, but it only served to reinforce my feelings on the matter today.

Getting hooked up and then hitched is more or less “standard” fare when it comes to growing up and the constant reminders only harp on men like us. And if we don’t perform, we are the “losers”. I was made to feel that way for a long time. MGTOW is so radically the other way, why wouldn’t the average men look at us in bewilderment.

Let them do as they do. It will only come naturally in time. We can do our part by saying there are alternatives but men who can bend will bend. Others will simply break.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Just like someone might shame a MGHOW by saying something like “you’re just bitter because you’ve had bad experiences with women” ….. it’s actually not true. As you point out…. one doesn’t NEED to have the personal experience.

After all, you don’t need to PERSONALLY murder someone to know that it’s wrong.

The entire implication that you need to personally experience something to learn it first hand (or at all) is simply inaccurate. You can use it as a warning to others (as you did)…. or to tear down anyone who thinks you *MUST* have experienced it personally.

I frequently find it fascinating when I hear “what woman hurt you?” (like this woman does to Marc Rudov) or “some woman must have really hurt you” — because I realize they are TELLING me something…..

They KNOW women are hurtful & destructive themselves in situations where they should be loving and kind. They are so convinced I MUST have been hurt by a woman, and MUST have been devastated, and MUST have been robbed in divorce… but I realize they aren’t telling me anything about ME. They are actually telling me about what they know women are really like.

So for all the shamers that say “a woman MUST have really HURT you”…
The only thing I *MUST* do, is sincerely thank them for the warning.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[HitmanParticipant]

At 50+ yrs old, I guess I’ve been around the block a few times. .
Things today are not what they used to be. .
30 yrs ago the girls still played the same games, only the outcome was less harmful to us men.
Definitions of masculinity and feminine changed..
Popular culture changed. .
All of it a double edged sword. .
The wise can learn from the mistakes of others. .but life has to be lived by only you. .experience turns into knowledge eventually. .
Going your own way was a concept for rebels. .
Some rebelled more than others. .
In the end, no one else can live it or learn it for you.
The stakes got higher as time went on. .The last 10 yrs were probably the most dramatic in my opinion. .

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Brujah wrote:

Let them do as they do. It will only come naturally in time

There is a flip side to it.

My Mother once told me it was very difficult to watch me burn my finger on a Christmas candle. I was totally going for it with the tip of my finger and she has it on film!

“NNNNNooooooooo it’s HOTTT!” she said.

Naturally that word didn’t mean anything to me but she knew I had to do it to learn.
She said it again. “NNNNNooooooooo it’s HOTTT! Don’t touch it!”

And then I touched it! And pulled my finger right back.

Every child has to do this.
Nobody can teach you what “hot” is.

You have to learn it by burning & scalding yourself.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[AnthonyParticipant 2281]

You know what I find the most baffling? Whenever a man says bad s~~~ about women, everyone from manginas, white knights, to feminists, they all try to shame you with the following lines:

“You must be gay.” He prefers the company of men (implying that a man’s gay because he prefers to hang out with men instead of women)”

“You’re just angry and butthurt that you can’t get a date.”

“You must be a virgin with a small dick who can’t get a woman because your penis is so tiny.”

“Man you’re angry as f~~~.” “You need to calm down and have sex.”

“Do you have a girlfriend? (Implying that if you never had experience with women, you shouldn’t talk about the faults of women.”

“NEEEEERD!” Get laid instead of wasting your time doing nerdy s~~~.”

“Hahahahaha!” You must live in your mom’s basement and can’t get a date! You’re fat and lazy playing WoW and chugging Mountain Dew all day long!” “Stop being so bitter about women!”

F~~~, it’s like I have those responses memorized. It’s why I don’t even bother debating with blue pillers. Their responses will almost always be the ones above.

I’m glad I found MGTOW when I did. It proved to me I don’t need women in my life. If blue pillers and women get butthurt over that, then too f~~~ing bad. Zero f~~~s given.

I’m also glad that I learned from you older guys when I did. It’s saved me so much hassle, time, and money I would’ve spent on women.

Once you have a Fleshlight real vaginas become worthless.

[Anonymous 17]

Just don’t forget that your girlfriend/wife will always love money more than she loves you, no matter what she says. Be on guard, protect your money and assets and always be vigilant that she might take you to the cleaners at any time.

[VarunParticipant 2981]

I do agree that at times the curiosity got the best of me and I was like “I know its harmful but I should give it a try” even though I was absolutely sure the result would not be good.

There have been instances where the statement “experience speaks the loudest” has not held true; if experience did hold true for everything, there would have been no innovation in the world. The cave men would have told his children: “Look! I’ve been to the world outside and its horrendous. Do not go out there.” But his children did not listen; they ventured out and found a whole new world.

But for 99% of the time, it has been proven that the wiser guy always listen to honest advice.

This reminds me of a particular scene in Game of Thrones. It discusses what is really necessary for a king: strength? Sense of Justice? Loyalty/Honour? Or listening to advisors/ heeding wise counsel? You can guess which one won the limelight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doY0IjisBlk

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[narwhalParticipant]

This is why I’m glad my 12 year old son has had experience dealing with girls at such a young age. I want him to have a healthy mistrust of women before his hormones kick in. So far, it seems to be working.

We talk about what happens at school with the girls. Back when he had a ‘girlfriend’, I asked him what he did for her. Then I asked what she did for him. It wasn’t hard to recognize the contrast.

I don’t want to tell him what to do, then when he does the opposite, tell him I told you so. I want him to understand, trust my advice and learn how to make the right choices himself.

Ok. Then do it.

[Dr. SableParticipant 1064]

Varun wrote:

There have been instances where the statement “experience speaks the loudest” has not held true; if experience did hold true for everything, there would have been no innovation in the world. The cave men would have told his children: “Look! I’ve been to the world outside and its horrendous. Do not go out there.” But his children did not listen; they ventured out and found a whole new world.

All too true.
Sort of.
Columbus and Niel Armstrong did dangerous things but at least they were not in danger of being
f~~~ed over by a woman.
If you go with one, go with eyes wide open and armed to the teeth with knowledge about them.

Zero Tolerance

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