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Background: I’ve got a “booty call” girl I’ve been seeing for a little over a year now. She comes over late in the evening, around 11pm, we have a snack, talk about work for a few minutes, watch a bit of TV then go to bed. In the morning we have a shower and some coffee and she takes off. We never go out and none of my friends have ever even heard of her, much less met her. Like I said, booty call.
She gives great massages, the sex is just fine and she’s rasonably tolerable to talk to for a little while. In short, from my point of view, everything is just fine exactly like it is. But of course she wants more. She won’t say it, but she wants me to take her out and be proud of her and treat her like a girlfriend, which is not going to happen.
Now the story. I’m out after a show talking with some of the tech crew, one of them who happens to be a female. This female is one of those fat chicks who thinks she’s hot, is sexually very aggressive… and can’t understand why nobody will f~~~ her… and insists on talking about it all the time. She brings up the topic of everyone’s relationship status and it goes around the table. When it comes to me, I bluntly say exactly what I just said above.
The misandric land whale is triggered.
“How the f~~~ do you think you know what she wants? I’m so sick of men thinking they know exactly what’s going on in a woman’s mind.”
“Look, you f~~~ someone two or three times a week for a year, you should pretty well know where they stand. If she were here you guys would be able to tell immediately that she wants to be my girlfriend so don’t tell me I can’t have any insight into her thinking.”
“I have a seven year old son and I’ve known him for his entire life and I don’t know what he’s thinking most of the time.”
“Well that’s either totally untrue or you’re just not paying enough attention to him.”
“It’s all about communication. Communication is so important… you have to talk to her and ask her what she wants.”
“Communication is overrated. And why would I ask her what she wants when I’m perfectly satisfied with the situation as it is? If SHE isn’t happy and wants something more, she needs to figure out how to get it… and TALKING about how unhappy she is is NOT the way to do that.”
“What do you mean? Of course she should tell you what she wants, how else would you ever know?”
“Okay, let me explain it like this. If our waitress was standing over there thinking to herself ‘That table has been sitting there taking up space for two hours… they should order more.’ how would you think she should handle that? Do you think she should walk over here to us and say ‘Hey, you guys aren’t ordering enough… order something more or I’m going to throw you out.’ would that work for you?”
“Well, no…”
“That would be communication. She’d tell us she’s upset and what she wants and we’d be p~~~ed and we’d leave. And probably give her a s~~~ty tip. So how would a smart person handle the situation?”
“Come ask if we want to order something more?”
“Wrong. We’re satisfied. We don’t want any more. But we’re not leaving either. If she comes and asks us what we want, we might ask for another round of waters and stay for another hour.”
“Okay then, smartass… what should she do?”
“She should come over here and offer us something we wouldn’t otherwise have asked for. Something we want but don’t realize we want.”
“And how’s she supposed to know what that is?”
“She should have been paying attention from the start… listening to what we said, thinking about what would pique our interest, maybe tell us a special that’s not on the menu, or offer to have the chef create something unique for us or offer us a deal on another round of drinks or a fancy dessert.”
“Then she’d have to come and ask us what we want… like I said, communication is important.”
“No, we don’t want anything so asking would be pointless. But offering something new that we hadn’t thought of… consider this woman in my life. I told her this exact thing. ‘If you want more, you should offer something more. Same as in work or with friends or in your community life… you give value to get value. And the value you give has to be something the other person wants and needs, even if they would never have asked for it themselves. You have to be aware of their interests and be smart about how to appeal to them. Just demaning more from them is the quick way to to the exit.'”
“What a dick move. Why would you tell a woman to offer you more when you’ve already said you don’t want more? What do you expect her to offer?”
“I don’t want her to offer anything. I’m perfectly satisfied as it is now. But SHE wants more… and I’m just telling her the best way to get it.”
The conversation devolved into a circle that she could not break out of… incapable of understanding that I would offer good advice to someone who was negotiating with me for a better deal and in NO WAY grasping of the idea of getting value by offering value first.
Typical.
At the end she said:
“I can’t believe this poor girl can stand being with you at all.”
“Well, she’s getting f~~~ed good three times a week and now has a few ideas about how to make it four or five… so she’s doing better than most women around here, wouldn’t you agree?”
Sounds like you have had a nice arrangement but if she’s getting needy or demanding you may want to pull the plug. Play it smart. Play it safe. They are not worth it!
And as for fat chick?
“how the f~~~ do you think you know what she wants? I’m so sick of men thinking they know exactly what’s going on in a girl’s mind.”
“I am under no obligation to make sense to you.”

Thank you but trust me, this is not my first rodeo. When is any woman NOT needy or demanding? They just mask it for the first few months while they’re applying for the job of girlfriend/wife.
I’m over a year in and still have this one in the application stage. So long as she’s serving my needs, I’ll keep her there and if she gets too vocal about it, I’ll let her go.
I’m not sure what “it” they’re not worth that you mention, but women are no more dangerous than motorcycles, firearms or aggressive pets if you inow what you’re doing. And I do.
She brings up the topic of everyone’s relationship status and it goes around the table. When it comes to me, I bluntly say exactly what I just said above.
I offer this advice:
The only woman that needs to know who you are having sex with is the woman you are having sex with.It sounds like a nice arrangement. Hopefully, she’ll stick around for awhile, but nothing lasts forever.
So, ENJOY your time with her for as long as she hangs in there, and then ENJOY your time WITHOUT her once she’s gone.
Can’t help ya with ya fat bitchy co-worker.
In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash
You explained to land whale way more than I would have. I agree with you definitely, but when a person consents and returns for “booty calls” then that’s what the situation is.
Any attempt to renegotiate severs the NSA situation, and potentially means it’s over. The party that wants more, and probably always did, is the one terminating the relationship.
I’ve read enough of your posts to know that you didn’t lead with “Hey, let’s be f~~~ buddies and if you do that well enough I’ll upgrade your status someday.”
The person who changes their requirements bears responsibility for breaking the situation apart.
I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.
Seems like a good thing and you’re playing it well within your control. If it works for you that’s great but I too would not discuss it with another bitch.
Peace is > piece.
Read the original post, young men. Then read it again. This is why you NEVER argue with a woman.
The bush pig walked away from that discussion thinking she “won” the argument because she manipulated the conversation, changing subjects several times, and actually getting a man to talk to her.
When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.
Guys, I feel I owe you a followup on this post. I know more than a few of you think I’m a moron both for engaging with a woman for sex AND for talking with another one about it.
You’re probably right on both counts… but hey, I’ve got my s~~~ together so tight that I get bored so it’s either poke the hornets nest or, I don’t know, take up binge watching TV or something.
So the Bush Hog (as Solomon’s Wisdom so aptly put it) kepot trying to tell me that communication was the key to a sucessful relationship and my point was that it’s all about self-awareness of one’s own needs and desires, understanding of the other person’s position and executing a successful strategy to create value for both parties.
So just as I expected, the booty call chick texted me last night to make her move. And can you possibly guess what her move was? I’m sure you can. She said “I’ve got feelings for you and I want to be in a relationship and if you don’t want that, I won’t see you again.”
My response: “I understand and I respect your feelings but am not interested in changing our situation. If you’re unhappy, then you have to do what you have to do. Take care of yourself.”
So this morning I texted the Bush Hog and told her what had happened.
“At least she communicated with you instead of just silently expecting you to read her mind.”
“An ultimatum is not communication. Apparently this has been a problem for her for quite some time… to the point that she already had a backup offer in place. So maybe that’s not really communication. Six months ago when the first feelings started to catch, maybe…”
“Oh! Wow… Okay, then. Is this what you were talking about with the sighs and stuff? Like she’s been passive aggressive for a while now…”
“Oh yeah… and dropping hints about me being with other people and doing things without her. It’s hard to feel bad when she tells her friends that she loves me and wants a relationship and a baby while she’s seeing two other guys and her ex recently offered to let her live at his place rent free if she agreed to be his house pet.”
“How do you know all this stuff? Did she tell you this?”
“I’d have to be a f~~~ing idiot not to be aware of what a woman I am seeing is up to when I’m not around. When she was at my place I loaned her an older iPod so she could f~~~ around online while I was busy… and she left her messenger account logged in. So I got notifications whenever she got hit up by some other dude and when she was negotiating the deal to move back in with her ex.”
“What?! You snooped her s~~~? That’s so low…”
“Lower than her setting up a Plan B and then demanding that I give her a relationship and a baby or else she’s going to dump me? Please. This s~~~ happens ALL THE TIME and any man who isn’t EXPECTING it is a fool. I’m just smart enough to not only expect it, but be prepared to verify and know exactly when it’s going to go down.”
“I don’t know what to say…”
“And the best part is I told her how to approach this and I told you that she would ignore my advice completely… and that’s exactly what happened.”
Consider that this girl isn’t anything special… nice body, average face, no special talents aside from being available whenever I wanted her… and she’s working three men for resources and a baby.
Now imagine what the good looking women with real social skills are doing. You show me a hot chick with a nice rack and a decent closet of sexy clothes and I’ll show you a girl who has 10 to 30 men barking at her door, is working five or more of them for goods and services and angling for an exit event that’s going to ruin someone’s life.
If you’re going to f~~~ around with women, you’ve got to not only EXPECT this sort of thing, but PLAN for it and NEVER let them get under your skin.
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