Does MGTOW mean hetereosexual men only? I am just pondering something.

[schizoaffectiveParticipant 35]

I thought “to go your own way” meant to voluntarily abstain from relationships with women. Gay people don’t have relationships with women anyway so I’m not sure how they can go their own way. I guess they can avoid white knighting and being a cry pillow but how hard is that? Gay people have their own relationship problems that aren’t really like our’s.

I dunno. Society already thinks MGTOW are gay. I hope MGTOW isn’t taken over by gays like feminism has been taken over by dykes.

By the way, the guy who said he has a lady boy girlfriend was bisexual, not gay. I don’t think MGTOW is even relevant to gay people.

[MyselfParticipant 353]

Some say that in order to be MGTOW you first need to understand female nature.  I don’t think that is the case.

Being MGTOW has nothing to do with women.  Nada, zero, zilch.

We certainly spend a lot of time talking about women here, and that is only natural since for so many of us they have caused incredible personal pain, they have manipulated our laws and politics for their personal gain, and on and on and on.  So of course we spend a lot of time hammering that nail home.

Ultimately being MGTOW means defining yourself not with respect to what other people think, but with respect to what you think.  That basically rules out relationships with women because you are no longer pandering to every, or any, whim. It’s not a refusal to have a relationship with them – it is a refusal to compromise yourself for their sake.

I hope that all of us get to a point in our lives where we have no reason to hammer that nail.  That we can just go our own way and be at peace.

So I think gay men can be MGTOW.  I also think women could go their own way too, because for me “going your own way” means just that, and on its own has nothing at all to do with gender or sex.

 

[HimeoParticipant 471]

Myself wrote:

Ultimately being MGTOW means defining yourself not with respect to what other people think, but with respect to what you think.

I find that definition to be effectively meaningless because it permits anything to be MGTOW. If anything can be MGTOW than nothing can be MGTOW.

My definition of MGTOW is a rejection of gynocentrism. If, eventually, there is a schism between MGTOW and anti-gynocentrists, I know where I’m going.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Himeo wrote:

Myself wrote:

Ultimately being MGTOW means defining yourself not with respect to what other people think, but with respect to what you think.

I find that definition to be effectively meaningless because it permits anything to be MGTOW. If anything can be MGTOW than nothing can be MGTOW. My definition of MGTOW is a rejection of gynocentrism. If, eventually, there is a schism between MGTOW and anti-gynocentrists, I know where I’m going.

And this is where I see a divide in perceptions of what MGTOW is, and where my question in this thread fits.  My take is that gynocentrism is what will drive men into going their own way.  Once they go their own way, they begin to try to define themselves by what they think themselves, rather than what others think.  After all, why would a man stop at just gynocentrism, where the are other -isms out there trying to do harm to them?  I don’t see there being a schism with MGTOW and anti-gyoncentrism, just that MGTOW, as it grows, may cause men to want to find their own way besides problems with gynocentrism.  If you see with myself, for example, it is far less gynocentrism that has been a problem for me, it is the rest of the rot I ran into.  Still, I am learning more about the impact of gynocentrism now.  But, I would not be free if I just ended up ONLY saying no more women.  I have to say no to other things also.

Anyhow, take what I said as a showing of where my biases are.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[MyselfParticipant 353]

Himeo wrote:

Myself wrote:

Ultimately being MGTOW means defining yourself not with respect to what other people think, but with respect to what you think.

I find that definition to be effectively meaningless because it permits anything to be MGTOW. If anything can be MGTOW than nothing can be MGTOW. My definition of MGTOW is a rejection of gynocentrism. If, eventually, there is a schism between MGTOW and anti-gynocentrists, I know where I’m going.

Anything is MGTOW except modelling ones life around someone else’s expectations.  How else could you go your own way?  That restriction has real consequences and results in real limits.  It certainly does not imply that “anything is MGTOW”.

 

The main point I was trying to make though is that involving women, or the concept of “female nature”, in the definition of MGTOW is not so great.  I mean, look at what you said: “My definition of MGTOW is a rejection of gynocentrism.”

Sorry Man, but I don’t need gynocentrism to go my own way.  I hope you see that I’m trying to make a point here that might (maybe) help some of us.  We don’t need to be wrapped up in how we’ve been screwed over in order to find an individually meaningful path in life.

Cheers!

 

[HimeoParticipant 471]

Myself wrote:

Anything is MGTOW except modelling ones life around someone else’s expectations. How else could you go your own way? That restriction has real consequences and results in real limits. It certainly does not imply that “anything is MGTOW”.

I don’t particularly care about the label, “MGTOW”, and will use it or lose it depending on whether or not a better or necessary label comes along.

You’re defining MGTOW to be essentially contrarian, “Don’t tell me what to do, I decide what I want to do.”

The main point I was trying to make though is that involving women, or the concept of “female nature”, in the definition of MGTOW is not so great. I mean, look at what you said: “My definition of MGTOW is a rejection of gynocentrism.”

Sorry Man, but I don’t need gynocentrism to go my own way.

Fair enough. But by your definition you need SOME expectations to subvert. Why not gynocentrism?

I mean, is the problem that I EXPECT you to reject gynocentrism? Because I’m happy to EXPECT you NOT to reject gynocentrism.

Do you see the clever trap I’ve laid for you, MGTOW? I excpet you to do A and NOT to do A. No matter what you do you’re not going YOUR way, you’re going MY way!

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