Does anyone know a married man that is truly happy?

[hadenough1969Participant 539]

Had a long phone then text conversation with a female friend I have known for 20 years last night. She got divorced last month after 28 years.

Interesting side note…judge gave her everything, house, cars, cash, retirement, checking savings everything. She has (2) kids, 1 still at home.

They day he left, she wrote him a check for 50% of the value of everything…several hundred thousand $$$. At the moment, she has $100 to her name, but her house and car is paid for. She felt it was the right thing to do. If I had not known her for as long and well as I have, I would not think it possible. In this case, I do believe her. Her mother, sister friends etc are really mad at her, but she says she does not care. Part of their anger is because he hasn’t work for 2 years and she has been paying all the bills, including 10s of thousands of his medical bills because he refuses to follow doctors orders regarding his diabetes.

Anyway, she still thinks that somewhere out there is a man that will “fulfill her dream.”

I asked her “what is your dream”. Quoting here from her text: “The trust the vulnerability and love. I know exactly what I want in a relationship. I believe 2 people can be very happy together. I really do. I want someone who knows me fully and loves me completely. I’m certain he wont like every single thing about me, but he will love the fact that he knows I want to be better every single day. He will add to my life and compliment my weaknesses and help me be better. My heart will trust him and his will trust me. I believe all of that is possible.”

Lots of red flags fly up from all of that now that I have taken the red pill. She is expecting the man to do a bunch of stuff to complete her. I told her that a woman can’t love anyone but herself and her offspring and that really set her off. hahah

As she is very religious, she got into the “husband is to love the wife” unconditionally stuff. I then asked if he did that, if she would hold up the rest of the verse and submit/obey him unconditionally…of course the answer was “only if I think he is right”. I said, “well as far as I am concerned, that would be a NO DEAL situation” Once again, the man is supposed to live up to his end, but the woman doesn’t have to on hers…in her “dream” relations~~~.

Lots more conversation, but thanks to my migtow training I was pretty quickly able to recognize that while she was very unusual in giving her ex what was due him still in her mind she is a AWALT.

Which then led me this morning to the question that is the subject of this post:

“Does anyone know a married man that is truly happy?”

I know a lot that would say they are, because they have been so brainwashed they don’t know any better…my dad and grandfather among them. I have tried to think of a man that truly is happy, has the freedom to live as he wishes, has a wife that is his supporter, his cheerleader, his biggest fan and yet does not bust his b~~~~ if he does something she disagrees with. A woman that thinks about her man before she thinks about herself.

I have looked back over nearly 1/2 a century of life and I cannot think of a single guy that was not controlled, ruled, or manipulated by his wife. Has anyone out there seen anything first hand, in person, to the contrary? Maybe Trump is the exception, but I don’t know him personally. I saw his wife on an interview months ago and while I did not get the feeling she “loved” him, she did respect him. I don’t think she tries to mess with him…she probably knows he would kick her to the curb like he did the last 2 wives.
Again, I am looking in from the outside, very far away so could be completely wrong. So lets stick to people we personally know.

I think this is a critical question for all of us…because past performance IS an indicator of future performance in this case. If none of us have ever actually seen a Happily Married Man…then I would venture to say it truly does not exist and is not possible. With 18,000 members each having met thousands of people in our lives, we are talking some serious coverage for the research. Enough coverage for a person to base the remainder of their lives on the premise that truly, AWALT…they really are…and everything else to the contrary is marketing, propaganda and straight up lies.

[NeroParticipant 1466]

No, I don’t. Even the ones who don’t know it yet. Oh, and “unconditional” love doesn’t exist but unconditional submission does.

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

hadenough1969 wrote:

I have looked back over nearly 1/2 a century of life and I cannot think of a single guy that was not controlled, ruled, or manipulated by his wife.

I can up it to 3/4 of a century of single life, and totally agree with your observations and conclusion.

In addition, like your experience in the OP, the great benefit of the knowledge you learn on the MGTOW forum is that you can look at situations and see the reality behind the appearances. Months ago, I had some medical treatment from a married couple. Before MGTOW I would not have seen how completely she had locked her husband down. After MGTOW, it was blatantly obvious!

[Anonymous 42]

No I don’t, I only know married men that are truly stupid, at least that’s what I surmised f~~~ing their wives..

[TaxGuyParticipant]

My brother. His second wife. The first wife was a typical AWALT. Wife number two is awesome. She owns her own business and does very well, she encourages him to things he likes to do, is supportive of him hanging out with his friends. She is a very nice person. That’s the only one I know. I tell him every time I talk to him that he should feel very lucky. He knows it.

I have a few other friends that have wives that are pretty cool. I think they are happy, but am not around enough to know for sure.

By the way, these women are ALL small town women. I do think that if you really want to hunt unicorns, you want to hunt in a small town. Don’t get me wrong, I still think that unicorns are almost impossible to find. But hunting unicorns in a small town is like buying a lottery ticket. Hunting them in a big city is like not buying the ticket but still hoping to win.

Order the good wine

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

NO.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[Anonymous 1]

No.

love and marriage goes together like a horse and carriage.

[hmskl’dParticipant 6406]

I’ve been thinking about this for the longest time .. and can’t say that I’ve known any that are truly happy.
Also, knowing awalts are awaits and since there are no Unicorns; the question I always ask myself .. how could they ever be happy?

[ProjectParticipant 507]

In all my life I have seen only one women that can maybe be classified as an unicorn.

Just got to say that she could say that I think she could be classified as an obsessive psychopath with a disturbing amount of love.

I know that she once broke the arm of some women for suggesting that she should test “ride” another man. I do now know why she is mentally this and I will not go nearer her then 100ft.

The only con i can think with having her is that she can be a bit obsessed, but the guy seems to like it so I do not judge.

I wouldn’t be surprised if I some time in the future hear that she has killed her women and gone insanse. I think that his presence is the only thing keeping her together.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Yes…but all the ones I can think of off the top of my head are all 70+ with wives that pre-dated feminism who think my generation of women are trash lol.

As far as the 40 and under crowd, the only ones I know who are happily married are recently married. Any of them that have been married a few years are not, and a good chunk already have at least one divorce under their belt.

Plus I’ve never met a happily divorced man who said marriage and divorce was a great experience, I’m glad I did it…they all realize they’d have been better off not marrying. Unfortunately a lot of them are clueless enough to try round number 2. Factoring in the 50%+ divorce rate plus almost 100% miserable rate among younger people who marry and the 99.999% chance that marriage is going to make me less happy makes marriage not worth the risk.

[hadenough1969Participant 539]

Hey, I had not thought about that. If they could truly develop a programmable companion…that would be a game changer.

[Anonymous 43]

at some point the positives get overrun by the negatives, then the divorce court crushed what ever is left.

As a divorced man what makes me happy is the memories that have faded…all the little details are gone like what her teeth looked like, nipple bumps, her favorite color, how did her shoes wear down, what earrings did she own…small useless s~~~ like that

The waking up screaming thinking I am being stabbed through the hand again I don’t think will ever go away, the hand is achy when the weather changes, the scars are still there. Knocks on the door still make me reach for the gun in the drawer, and I can’t stand eating chicken…f~~~ everytime she cooked it was fukin chikin.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Happiness is subjective.
Very FEW older guys I know married 50+ years and will put up with a little, until he puts his foot down and then she listens. Old farmers I knew seemed to make it work. Their environment was hard they were forced to support each other in shared labor on the farm. No time to fight with each other or even to be bored. I don’t know if happiness is the word, but if one died the other would follow with a broken heart.

However, 90% of the couples I know who have been married 30 – 50 years the man has been absolutely miserable over decades. He They will lament how they threw their lives away and now it is too late. They stay married until she decides to go or one of them cheats. He won’t just leave without cause.

Younger that that I don’t really know. With State in your bedroom marriage is bad even if you have the perfect unicorn.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[Psl47Participant 678]

Ive got my sister married a guy from spain ( rip ) , and my cousin married some girl … this year …
None of them knows i am GMOW …
So i am just sitting and observing … and actually , there is a timer in my head , guesing whos gonna be first to bail

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[HitmanParticipant]

very rare..
and IF the married guy is happy,
he was happy before he was married.
pursued his own interests…
wait..
NO.

[Y_Participant 4591]

My question is – how much do you value your own freedom and sovereignty?
Relationships are about making compromises – and this is the best case scenario.

Sooner or later all men in a relationship realise this but too late.
There is no such thing as a good marriage or relationship the same way there is no goof way to be a plantation slave. You lose every time.

MGTOW is for men with b~~~~. Married men can’t play this kind of winner-take-all game. Sorry married men – that’s the honest truth.

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

The old farmers I knew from the 1950s did not seem any happier with their situation. In fact, the guy at the feed mill, which also substituted for a tavern where he heard all the guys complain about their wives, was the one who took me aside when I was a teen to explain the reality of marriage to me. Those old farmers were realists.

Also, in the Deep North, polka and country music had songs about women, marriage, and relationships.

Too Fat Polka
I Have a Honey, She Only Loves Me When I Have Money
I Wish I Was Single Again, My Pockets Would Jingle Again
and others.

Going even farther back, while doing family history, I found Attorney Francis Richard Cole of Chicago, Illinois, around 1910 or so, wrote a satirical piece called The Marriage Question. In it he pointed out the same problems reported here. “Women love a man of good deeds. Deeds to a house, real estate, etc.”

Young men, the laws are even worse today and the risks are too great.

[Rolling Tin FistParticipant 484]

hadenough1969 wrote:

“Does anyone know a married man that is truly happy?”

TL;DR: As an Awakened While Married I can tell you, NO. Not if the man hasn’t taken the Red Pill or is truly honest with himself.

Longer version: The reason: you don’t get married to be happy. All the married men I know either followed their dicks into it, thought they found a NAWALT, don’t want to be or die alone, or married to have kids. I married to have kids, period. I discovered somewhere in there that my NAWALT truly never was.

At the decade mark I considered suicide because I saw no way out being the white knight I was and doing everything for everyone and having nothing to show for it plus I was worn down and out. Then a month later, I discovered and took the Red Pill.

Today almost two years later, I’m fantastic. I’m in better physical, emotional, spiritual, and psychological shape than ever. I am totally different man and everyone who knows me well have noticed. A couple even wondered if I had a little senorita on the side (I’ve traveled to South America on a few Red Pill trip in the last couple of years). I know a few, but not in a biblical way.

My wife hasn’t changed much, except know she knows (because i showed her) that she is optional while the kids are mandatory. She also sees other women wouldn’t mind enjoying what she takes for granted. I do my thing she does hers and occasionally we do $#!+ together. Zero fcuks given. She’s basically got the mind of a child in a lot of ways.

Luckily for me the sex was and still is he best and most functional aspect of our marriage.

Still, I don’t get into stupid arguments with her anymore or stress about things that will never change. And I make it a point to be civil and Vulcan with her especially in front of the kids. And thanks to managing my money better than before, I can throw money at certain problems that would have before stressed me out because I would have to manage them.

"Love is the delusion that one woman differs from another" - H. L. Mencken

[KimmurielParticipant 480]

Nope. Usually afraid to be alone. Much like their female wives, they are pair-bonders and group-thinkers who want law to enforce their fear of abandonment and fear of lonliness.

"You meet a few exceedingly forsaken, Sit around the cooler refusing domestication" Aesop Rock

[narwhalParticipant]

TaxGuy wrote:

I have a few other friends that have wives that are pretty cool. I think they are happy, but am not around enough to know for sure.

That’s pretty much the way I see it. I don’t know enough. I hear what the husband says, the positive and negatives, but I don’t know the relationship intimately. If I did, then I’m way too close. I’ve seen plenty that are definitively bad, and seen some that look good that I later find out are bad.

For the most part, I stay out of it. Really, it’s doesn’t matter to me personally. I have concern for my friends, sure, but that doesn’t say a darn thing about whether I could possibly have a happy marriage. I am not that guy, and who ever I could possibly get involved with isn’t that girl. So trying to figure out the odds doesn’t really do much for me.

I prefer to just evaluate what I see before me. A woman not only has to be an improvement to my life alone, but has to be a big enough improvement to outweigh the given downsides, costs, and risks. I don’t see that happening, even if it appears to happen for someone else.

Ok. Then do it.

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