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Anonymous6I got this from the MGTOW Reddit
__________________The modern woman has what she thinks is an airtight explanation for why no man has stuck around: “It’s not MY fault. Men aren’t growing up.”
The media agrees, claiming modern men are man-children, suffering from “Peter Pan” syndrome; essentially an extended adolescence. It must be true. They keep saying it everywhere from television to reputable newspapers. Except it’s not.
Let’s go through their various arguments.
Men Don’t Make Enough MoneyYou see this everywhere today. The media echoing the female argument that women have to financially support their man because he doesn’t earn enough, women have overtaken men as the primary breadwinners, there are not enough ‘eligible’ men for the “alpha women”. “Money problems” is cited as a top reason not to get married.
The end conclusion is always: “men need to get their act together”.
You hear things like “It is not uncommon to walk into the hottest new West Village bistro on a Saturday night and find five smartly dressed young women dining together—the nearest man the waiter. Income equality, or superiority, for women muddles the old, male-dominated dating structure.”Actual data disproves the idea . Men earn more than women across age ranges and races.. Here are the comparisons in terms of median income per week:
“What about white men? Aren’t young white men just wasting time in bars these days?”
White men 16+ outearn white women $896 to $733. White men 25+ outearn white women $951 to $767. White men 25-54 outearn white women $918 to $760. White men 55+ outearn white women $1,071 to $793.
“Well that’s white people, how about Asian people? Don’t young Asian men just play videogames all day long?”Asian men 16+ outearn Asian women $1,087 to $795. Asian men 25+ outearn Asian women $1,142 to $818. Asian men 25-54 outearn Asian women $1,159 to $866. Asian men 55+ outearn Asian women $968 to $644.
“OK, OK, white men and Asian men are moneybags, but what about Hispanic men. Their women make more than them by working white collar and pink collar jobs…..right?”Hispanic men 16+ outearn Hispanic women $617 to $553. Hispanic men 25+ outearn Hispanic women $657 to $588. Hispanic men 25-54 outearn Hispanic women $655 to $587. Hispanic men 55+ outearn Hispanic women $668 to $595.
“You patriarchal s~~~lord! Well, black men have fallen behind. We KNOW this because we tell you every 15 minutes that black men are underachievers, and black women are super-strong career women.”
Black men 16+ outearn black women $679 to $608. Black men 25+ outearn black women $720 to $631. Black men 25-54 outearn black women $683 to $612. Black men 55+ outearn black women $835 to $745.So let me ask the question: if immature men are falling behind, why do we earn MORE than women for every age bracket and racial category? It’s because we’re not. Excelling at what one does for a living is a sign of capability and competence. It’s difficult to outperform other people in the workplace without maturity.
They Play Videogames
This is honestly one of the funniest (and most intellectually dishonest) arguments I’ve heard. Videogames were popularized in the late 70’s with the Atari 2600, and then grew in popularity with the Nintendo 8-bit console in the 80’s. In other words, on the scale of society and culture, or in the case of the definition of male identity, they are relatively recent.
When a new kind of recreation emerges, it’s not uncommon for the youth to be the first to embrace it. The hula hoop was embraced by children before it became a health tool for adults. Texting is an example of a modern phenomena that millennials engaged in growing up but continue to find the usefulness as they enter adulthood. Today, the games that come out on modern consoles like Xbox are designed for adults and have complexity that make them different from kid’s games.
But there’s no mistaking, we go from one generation where some activity is largely the province of the youth, but then later it is more broadly accepted by the population. When we make this transition, it is a simple but a rather phony charge that the activity is “something kids do”. I’ve yet to hear one argument as to why these games are inherently ‘childish’ other than last generation, mostly kids played video games.
Women like to claim “Video games are for kids” whereas it’s a disingenuous syllogism that women hope people won’t think too hard about.
Meanwhile the press will go to great lengths to justify the fact that many adult women indulge in reading “young adult” (YA) literature meant for 14-year olds.
Men Live with their Parents!Let’s think about the choice of where to live based on the growing burden of student debt. Take a look at these facts:
Women take longer to repay student loans (Choy & Li, 2006).
“According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, single men spent 30.3 percent of their annual income on housing; and single women spent 39.8 percent.
26% of young men manage to save more than 10% of their incomes, compared with just 9% of women.
The median Net Worth of single, black women is $5.Here is median net worth by age and race (summarized from “Lifting as we Climb”):
White men 18-35 have a median net worth of: $5,600. White women 18-35 have a median net worth of: $0. White men 36-54 have a median net worth of: $70,030 White women 36-54 have a median net worth of: $42,600.
Non-white men 18-35 have a median net worth of: $1,000. Non-white women 18-35 have a median net worth of: $0. Non-white men 36-54 have a median net worth of: $11,000 Non-white women 36-54 have a median net worth of: $5.
So the press wants us to believe that men are “sad Peter Pans” for living with their parents but its likely this decision that allows them to spend less of their annual income on housing, pay down their student debt faster, save more money in general, and maintain higher net worth. Most men move out by 30 when roughly only 10-15% of both men and women elect to stay at home. When men choose to save money and do the responsible thing, they are faulted.
Immature? Sounds like the future-orientation and fiscal responsibility men are known for. And this better financial picture is precisely why women seek out men as Beta Bux after blowing through all their disposable income, having serious unpaid debt, and little to null net worth. Ever wonder why every other girl on Match talks about every foreign destination she wants to travel to? She hopes that the men who were far more mature than her have saved enough to afford it.
Young Men are Just Living in the Now, Not Thinking about the Future
61% of millennial men are saving money for retirement and only 50% of women are. This is blamed on income disparity, but realistically, anyone can save for retirement, however little.The more likely explanation: the lack of maturity amongst women to understand financial matters. “Millennial women tend to be less financially literate than their male peers, according to a study by the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority. Only 18 percent of millennial women demonstrated high levels of financial literacy, compared with 29 percent of millennial men.” (source). Maturity means thinking ahead and becoming knowledgable about things that matter – young men seem to be well ahead of women on these fronts.
Where are the Men in College?Women are patted on the back for regurgitating textbook and classroom material and receiving their proof of attendance certificate from the diploma mill. That men are doing so less than women is hardly a sign of immaturity.
Women are graduating with majors that earn modest income. Not every job requires a college major. What is more mature: going to college because of social pressure and having a job where you can barely pay off the student loans, or going directly into the workforce?
The highest paying majors are dominated by men.The lowest paying majors are: animal science, social work, and child development which are dominated by women. The education choices of men appear to be a sign of pragmatism. To the extent, that men attend college, they are more likely to get a major that leads to solid income. To the extent they avoid college, they avoid massive debt. What they are less likely to do is what women often do which is to incur college debt and exit with a major thats likely to lead to underemployment and low wages – the worst of both worlds.
In Summary
Women are grasping at straws to depict men as immature. In reality, a woman will always try to define male maturity as being ready to submit to marriage and serve as her provider. Ultimately, this means suppressing our own wants and goals for lifelong servitude to their baby rabies instinct, their nesting instinct, and their vapid life of constant trips to Bed Bath & Beyond, and a life of Keeping up with the Joneses.
Their disparagement of men has nothing to do with actual maturity, earning a solid income, net assets, or responsibility. Single men earn and save considerably more than single women. In actuality, single women are grown up children: reading ‘young adult’ literature, playing the popularity game well into their 20s, babbling about reality shows and “boys”. That they consider themselves the arbiters of maturity is simply preposterous. Women want us to believe the marrying them is somehow a “rite of passage” to real manhood or maturity. Yet, we have nothing to prove.
The “Peter Pan” depiction of modern men is like Peter Pan in one sense. It’s fiction.
Thoughts??
Anonymous25No, it’s the women who suffer from it. Peter Pan syndrome would be beneficial to a man, no suffering on his part.
Not so favourable for women, so they suffer. But NFG.
As Tower would say, give em nothing.
The Hamster Wheel has been is spitting out Peter Pan doo-dads since 1904. It gets old.
Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.
‘Growing up’ is a form of projection by women; because it is always said by women that are approaching the wall. They have been forced to accept that they have to grow up or never have children. She cant ride the c~~~ carousel anymore. The reality for men is that they have to grow up long before women do; they are raised to be responsible by their parents long before adulthood.
This makes it appear like men never grow up; because they are already grown up once they become men. You will find countless 20 year old men that are more grown up than 60 year old women.
I think its funny to accuse men of being adolescents or pre-adolescents.
The way I see it, a lot of boys instinctually don’t like girls, then get some pussy and decide that girls are great.
The truth of the matter is, that you don’t like females any more than when you were a boy, you like the pussy, and you confuse liking pussy with liking women.
All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.
Anonymous3I have no interest in discussing maturity with the gender that is on their smartphones all day playing mobile games, buying countless pairs of shoes and handbags, gossiping over the lives of celebrities, who have absolutely zero interest in science, technology or any type of objective and fair system of rule of law and any such objective measures of philosophy or economics, and who paint their faces with crayons and markers and spritz themselves with scented water rather than taking baths.
Let them cackle to each other at how much better they are than us, but please, stay the f~~~ away from us and stop trying to invade our spaces. We don’t f~~~ing want you around. You’re too good for us, so get the f~~~ away from us. Seriously. GO THE F~~~ AWAY. We don’t want anything to do with you. You are not welcome here or anywhere else.
Anonymous0What is it about video games that women just can’t leave alone?
I’ve seen several youtube videos showing girlfriends destroying their boyfriend’s game consoles.
There are many internet articles, blogs, and videos that criticize men for playing video games.
I don’t personally play them now, but I’m tempted to start.
Maybe I should buy stock in Microsoft and Sony.Shaming 101, right up there with the dreaded “Mid Life Crisis”.
Think about it for a minute. A guy goes through school, gets married, has a couple kids. Spends his 30’s and 40’s pulling the plow everyday to provide for his family. Dad is the least respected person in his household. Women and children first right? Finally the kids are grown up and out of the house, and for the first time in two decades he can think of himself. A little reward for a job well done. A motorcycle, that little sports car that he always wanted but put everyone else’s wants and needs ahead of his own. Now he can finally afford a little something for himself. Or maybe it’s just a gym membership so he can get back in shape and enjoy his retirement without any health issues.
And, THAT, gentlemen, is a f~~~ing CRISIS! HOLY S~~~! The plow horse wants fed!?!? What the hell will we do? Call it a crisis and shame the damn horse back into the field.
Well, your crisis is my happiness. Plow your own damn field.
Order the good wine
Womens idea of “being a man” or “growing up” is sacrificing your life, for theirs. Of course only the blue pill idiots buy it, and once they give up their life for the woman, she loses interest and respect for him and moves on to the next sucker. It’s very simple.
Real men don’t go to bistro. Men don’t find pleasure dressing in stupidly expensive s~~~ty clothes.
Buying stupid food with doesn’t satisfy your hunger and you pay for the “concept ”We make more than women and save more than women.
WE DONT BUY STUPID S~~~ WE DONT NEED.
The only reason we do it is to impress bitches when we used to care.
Most men don’t like to dance, women like to dance Soo we leArn to dance.
But now days is too much work for the chance to be abused, morally destroyed, baby trapped, jailed, rape divorced, rape jailed, killed. All for a piece of pussy?
F~~~ it I better monk it out.
Got 10000€ saved for my sex bot.
Women think men hate them, the truth is we loved them, then we learned how they work and now we are scared as f~~~.
They should accept it already there are monsters between us, but the worst of us ain’t as bad as the best of them.
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
It’s just another way of shaming men. You’re not a real man. You need to man-up. So on and so on. In their minds, you’re just a boy if you haven’t decided to dedicate your life to serving women, or doing something that they can brag about to their friends. If any one asks why they call out a man like this, it quickly becomes clear they aren’t getting what they want from that man.
I agree with Phoenix, as even if they did have a point about the importance of doing something meaningful with your life, they are in no position to set themselves up as an example.
It also worth noting that the men who do fit the stereotype best…freely admit it. They just don’t care. They don’t pretend that they have something to offer to women. They don’t care that a woman chooses someone else over them. They aren’t incapable of being someone else women would like better, they simply don’t want to be.
Ok. Then do it.
From personal experience, those whom falsely accuse me of acting like a child are emotionally immature to the point of having the emotional maturity of a teenager all the way to a child.
These emotionally immature people lack the ability to understand complex emotional situations and they do not realize what they do is wrong.
I have as little to do with these people for the sake of my own sanity.
Walking away is not the act of a child, but of an adult.
What is it about video games that women just can’t leave alone?
I think its because modern video games require concentration. Concentration that takes away from the attention that could be paid to a woman.
Jealousy. They are jealous of the f~~~ing games.
Children. Children with t~~~.
The irony of this s~~~. Men “suffer” from “Peter Pan syndrome”, meanwhile women are in their 20’s, 30’s, and 40’s still believing they’re a “princess”. Who exactly is the one who needs to “grow up”? Methinks it’s the females.
What is it about video games that women just can’t leave alone?
I’ve seen several youtube videos showing girlfriends destroying their boyfriend’s game consoles.
There are many internet articles, blogs, and videos that criticize men for playing video games.
I don’t personally play them now, but I’m tempted to start.
Maybe I should buy stock in Microsoft and Sony.Same as any other hobby you enjoy.
Man can go whatever he wants, find enjoyment for things within himself and never feel bored. It can be a walk in a good summer day, fishing, cup of coffee, music, video games, chilling out with friends.It can cost as low as 0$.
Time spent doing what you enjoy is priceless.
Women hate that, see you fulfilled and happy, especially alone. Majority of them cannot mature or evolve to enjoy simple things and be happy for what they have, instead they are always miserable.
The only thing that makes 99% of them happy is money, spending and attention whoring. Free birds like me reside on completely opposite spectrum. I would enjoy playing Quake 2 or re watching Alien for a 100th time, over spending time on some miserable c~~~, that just can’t be happy on her own.
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Great Analysis man!
From my experience, I have found more of my “girlfriends” to be living at home with mommy and daddy. I had lived at home for about year with my parents when I graduated from undergraduate. However in the interim, I was job searching and applying for graduate school. I 6 months later got accepted into a business graduate program and got a subsequent IT job, 3 months later. I moved 3 month after getting the job out. I currently have a roommate and we split everything 50/50. I live beneath my means, and this lifestyle is easy for me.
I live comfortably, and make enough to pay bills, pay student debt (bulls~~~), and pay for social events. I work approximately 45-60 hours a week including graduate school. I work in IT, and coach youth sports on the side. I eat healthy, and exercise 5 days a week. I will have my school debt payed off my 26th birthday in October of this year. I fail to see how I fit the “Peter Pan Syndrome”. I’ve been told by many people “I have my s~~~ together”. Now I will say that I am a go getter. I also tend to have more on my plate than most people my age, but to be honest I’m happier being busy chasing my goals and money than trying to validate a cupcake.
Most women my age, are very immature. They live with the parents, or they are way too indecisive trying to weigh their options (hypergamy 101). I recently had the later happen to me, she chose the ex-Chad who was way worse off than me by every metric. Even her friends were like wtf is wrong with, girl?
Regardless, NFG! I’m too busy living my “Peter Pan delusion” chasing money and my dreams. XD These women the most immature creatures on the planet. They ride the carousel like no tomorrow and delude themselves into thinking that men will love used up whores once they hit the impending wall. No thanks, I’ll go my own way.
Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically
Regardless of whether some men suffer from this “Peter Pan” syndrome or not I’ ve never understood this whole “time to grow up” rhetoric?
“time to grow up and join the 9-5 rat race where the majority of people there hate what they are doing.”
“time to grow up and take on all these expenses and debt so you can help bankroll some women’s life.”
“time to grow up so in the words of fight club we can buy things we don’t need with money we don’t have to impress people we don’t like.”
“time to grow up so you can take on the responsibilities and stress that is associated with taking care of a family for that family to then be torn away from you at the discretion of the women.”I can only speak for myself, but none of this sounds appealing, and I think the idea of creating this life to simply appease women and the world around you is moronic. I would advise ignoring a lot of the bulls~~~ being directed at you because as the old saying goes, misery loves company
Create a life that feels good on the inside, not one that just looks good on the outside
The single biggest threat to your happiness is women and the only way to win is to not play the game
They call us “Peter Pan” even though the most financially irresponsible people on this planet are trollops! Why do you think most of the college t~~~s stay broke?
I can only speak for myself, but none of this sounds appealing, and I think the idea of creating this life to simply appease women and the world around you is moronic. I would advise ignoring a lot of the bulls~~~ being directed at you because as the old saying goes, misery loves company
Nah man, everything you are stating is shared among men here. We weight the options and see the zero sum game presented to us. Society has indoctrinated us to be good little pack mules that accept the monotony of the typical 9-5 work machine. We MGTOW are throwing a wrench into the whole paradigm. F~~~ being a cog to a system that has thrown us as dispensable utilities!
Fuck bitches... literally and metaphorically
Anonymous3: “Where are all the good men so we can yell at them and tell them what losers they are?”
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