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With no desire of being disrespecfull, (actually i dont give a f~~~), many “men” in this place losed their s~~~s after a few days of problem, kenobi and mgtower for example acted like 12 years old girls with PMS.
THE level of dependence of some men in this place is not diferent than facebook atention whores.
Mgtow is down? WHO F~~~ING CARES?
KM dissapointed any one? Wow i didnt knew he was your son.With all do respect to KM, F~~~ YOU.
The ammount of f~~~s given here is too damned high.
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
This was a difficult read from you, untamed. I’m extremely fond of you, man. And got a bit of a lump in my throat having let you down. Would like to respond in many ways and in more length – because you deserve it – but first allow me to respond to bits from others….
I think MGTOW has a strong future. If it were stocks, I’d invest.
Have you seen Google Trends? Record high today.
Looks like the chart from Apple.I also saw one random MGTOW video on youtube earlier today. A non-MGTOW just checking it out and he made a video. He had nothing but good stuff and fist pumps to say about it. It wasn’t a specially great video, what amazed me was the positive stream of comments – one after the other – even from women who saw it. 4 years ago, you would have never seen that.
MGTOW were previously bashed as pond scum.
Today, it doesn’t even need justification or explaining.He had to feed and cuddle my 7 cats.
Have seen your previous reference to “kitty cats” , and I admit I don’t get the joke or reference at all. I really am allergic to cats, but Its not clear if you’re mocking me, or just making fun.
I work in IT, as a developer. In an environment where there are many users of what is developed. If someone has a problem, even if it is PEBKAC (problem exists between keyboard and chair), guess who has to fix it? And if its 5 or 6 users…? But here… several thousand…
This is hard part.
Do we get back to EVERY individual and handle their individual requests? Or do we not stop until something is fixed and handled for EVERYONE and then announce it globally when done?
Every time I chased after someone to appease them and give individual attention, I realized I spent 60 minutes helping 4 members out. This is a spit in the ocean of 32K. I got nowhere that way. Just thought I did some good …. and realized I didn’t accomplish s~~~ in the grand scheme of it.
Always run major updates on a hidden “ghost” domain. And ask some close “faithful and trusted” users to check it out. While the old site keeps running until all members have been switched over. And the new site is proven to be stable and bug-free. That is what we were told about MGTOW.vip.
We had every plan to give everyone who joined before June 30 preview access to MGTOW.VIP and roam around to check it out.
Only one problem….. if anyone interacts with the forums or site over there, a s~~~ load of emails will go out to members (notifications) that would come from MGTOW.VIP – instead of mgtow.com. This would be potentially disastrous, you can imagine.
“WHY THE F~~~ AM I GETTING EMAILS FROM MGTOW.VIP? WHAT THE F~~~ IS MGTOW.VIP???… I DIDN”T SIGN UP THERE!!! IS THIS A SPOOF?? WHAT KIND OF SCAM IS THIS!!!”
They would then go to the site and not even be able to get past the initial password wall. We would have never been able to clean up that mess our message everyone to tell them how they ended up at MGTOW.VIP if they didn’t know.
We couldn’t turn emails off because that’s something we needed to test and ensure was working – PASSWORD RECOVERY. It was the main problem for a while, and this would have been even worse than the “infinite loop” they were already experiencing. What a nightmare, I’m sure you can understand.
It was a sensible decision to keep it for off-site development only.
And it was worth it.I am so pleased how the new site is turning out. It still may not look like it to all of you (YET) but piece by piece things are FAR better, cleaner, lightweight, easier to manage. I can go on with a list of positives, but if you could see under the hood, the site is less THAN 40% the size it was. Far fewer templates and pages to coordinate and manage. Consolidated includes. More efficient mark up. When we’re done here, if you’re still not pleased, I’ll eat my shorts – AFTER the gym.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
Anonymous12I understand that you are working on improving the website and that’s cool.
What I don’t understand is the lack of information when requested as I couldn’t log in for a long time and had no idea what was going on. I e-mailed and contacted you through the site Contact Form several times in the process of trying to find out what was happening but I got no response.
Then I tried to find my profile without being logged in and couldn’t find it so I thought it was deleted.Just like you, i was technically cut off from the contents of this place for a month or so – login issues.
Here is what i did: I kept the lessons that all these Bastards taught me in my mind, and i kept applying them.
The website being down is nothing compared to the Red pills it has fed me.In other words:
What has been learned cannot be unlearned – Forum or not.aka:
No forum? it forced me to walk away, it forced me to be the only MGHOW i could interact with, it posed a challenge.No forum? There i was, out in the wild, surrounded by blue pill losers, and had to put up with females and males alike. With their Relationship issues. With their Family problems. And no forum to vent in or shoot the s~~~ with the Guys.
This Forum should mean Jack s~~~ to you, what should matter to you are the lessons within. And you have been here with me long enough to undrestand the lessons, you have enough knowledge to LIVE the red pill and in LIVE your best interest.
Another way to put it: Mgtow.com and the whole set of ideas it contains is massive. But they are just a Tool – just a means to an end to shake you up, warn you, enlighten you. The knowledge is what matters, and that knowledge is so much bigger than a single website. Stop caring about the website. Remember the stories and lessons learned.
TL;DR?
Come on, stop Bitching.
You got this!I do empathize with the desire for information, however. Updates are always nice. I would assume Keymaster has a normal life that requires his attention just like the rest of us and it’s taking up personal time.
I suppose I should start here. I found myself “hamster wheeling”. And when you find yourself “hamster wheeling” and getting nowhere, you gotta stop doing it and rework some s~~~ or you’re going to continue to get nowhere.
2018 saw a major change with regards to my/our other obligations. They got huge very quickly in a way – meaning ultra important. But I am limited in my ability to tell you about them. I got so busy, I made myself sick. Very sick. It wasn’t worth it. You know I was out for about 6 weeks and I was totally uninterested in ANYTHING but getting better.
The hamster wheeling was (in part) keeping this place running with so many bulls~~~ fixes, dealing with trolls, and all the petty stuff. I lost my s~~~ with all the spammers, dating site morons signing up, and reports of trolls, I finally realized if I continue to pay attention to it, NOTHING will get done.
I/we have wanted to do it all over again for at least two years because it was getting impossible to manage and I didn’t even LIKE it. So we began construction on an all-new everything by building another website which is unrelated. All from scratch.
And why build ONE when you can build TWO for twice the work?
( I want to avoid sounding like I’m making excuses here because that’s not my intent.)
I hate doing anything out of “obligation”, but MGTOW.com is not an “obligation” and I never wanted it to be. When it becomes an obligation, it looses all its appeal. I have enough “obligations” already and if this becomes another one, It’s not going to be enjoyable. And I need to love it.
I started to think
(and I am sharing this with you)…“Don’t tell me I need to be in the forums every day in order for this to work. I’m not MGTOW. I’m just one man. Whatever needs to be done, I should be able to leave for a month or two if necessary to take care of other s~~~ – or chill on a beach for two weeks. Thats “going your own way”. And if I can’t do that, then something needs to be done so that I CAN do that. This isn’t Wells Fargo. This isn’t the White House. The place should continue to function without me. and if it can’t, lets MAKE it so that it can. But how???”
Thinking out loud even further …..
(this is difficult to put into words )If the website is going to “go down” ( or die in an overall sense) because of s~~~ty over-all attitudes , petty drama, and junk fights and screaming fits – simply because I/admins and mods are not here – then something is wrong. If other MGTOW kill it, then maybe it deserves to die.
I (or someone) can build it. But if just one man’s non-presence is required for it to go on, then s~~~ needs to be done differently. So rebuilding it will hopefully “free” me in a way and assign management to ANYONE who wants to be a part of it. Wouldn’t that be nice? To GIVE it more to the community???
Wouldn’t it be nice to build in the ability to allow MGTOW to grow the site themselves? It should be set up to GROW – not die or fizzle out because one man isn’t here. Thats’ just not right. I don’t want to be THAT important to the site that it will die if I die. As I was sick, these thoughts were going through my head.
So I devised an overall plan to do this – somehow. I think it’s gonna work too. We’re just gonna need everyone to come together and agree on ONE thing even if we disagree on everything else….. That this place is not gonna die. Or even better, that it’s gonna live and rock on.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Keymaster.
I’m not looking to read any excuses from you, brother. I know how busy you are and I know the amount of work necessary it takes to keep a website up and running. I really admire your skills and dedication.
How many times have I demanded anything from you in 4 years? None. I know it’s not my place to demand anything.
I wasn’t bitching. I understand that these things will happen and that not being able to log in isn’t the end of the world. I was just concerned about mgtow.com and, having heard rumors, I would’ve liked a word back from you, if only to know that the website was okay. That wordpress loop threw me for a loop, lol, and when I couldn’t find my profile I seriously thought it was deleted and I was wondering what the hell happened.Sooo… a bit of frustration and paranoia coupled with silence from your end did enough to worry me.
But. I’m logged in and got that frustration off my chest. I’m good.
Now I have TWO MGTOW sites in which to vent my Red-Pill Rage and converse with quality individuals.
It’s all good, bro!
Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!This Forum should mean Jack s~~~ to you, what should matter to you are the lessons within. And you have been here with me long enough to undrestand the lessons, you have enough knowledge to LIVE the red pill and in LIVE your best interest.
You don’t get to tell me what should or should not matter to me.
I decide that for myself.
This Forum matters to me.
The work that Keymaster does on this site matters to me.
The good members on here matter to me.
The info, wisdom and advice in the threads matter to me.
Men and their lives matter to me.
Being able to post my thoughts uncensored matters to me.
The damages that feminism has done to Men matter to me.No F~~~s Given, sure, as far as many things and people go but this website, Keymaster, the other brothers and their posts have no part of my NFG.
If you don’t give a f~~~ THAT much then I wonder why you’re here.
Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!
Anonymous12I am here because i do not need to.
I am here because i detached.delete my account now, permaban me now will have no bearing my life – because the red pill has been swallowed double and triple.
Being able to post my thoughts uncensored matters to me.
Unlike you – you still need it.
Stop needing it.
Stop depending on it.
Else you will be shackled to this Website, to the MGTOW community for all your life.… unable to walk away.
That means Other people, thsough this Forum, have an influence on your life.
Oh you left the shackles of marriage behind? Welcome to the Shackles of the Manosphere and the need to interact.Walking away and gaining sovereignty – it must be learned.
Welcome to course number 1.I know – and your lack of a reply shows it – that I’m not as important a member to this place
That scalded. Please get that out of your head. EVERY member is important to this place. I can’t stress that enough. Its truly heart breaking to know you’ll even entertain that thought. I/we just go through 7 hours of development & implementation on Channels and we’re almost done with that part, I made myself a black Russian and am kicking back to celebrate now. Work will just resume tomorrow.
There are hundreds of unanswered emails. HUNDREDS. Its not personal.
How could it be?I don’t even know where to begin. So its one step at a time.
Then just today I tried to log in and saw your post /forums/topic/aug-9-update-important-solution-to-login-probs/#new-post and I have to say the whole thing made me shake my head in disbelief and frustration. I was finally able to log in but now I have to say it doesn’t matter to me as much.
I understand that.
Would it help if I told you how petty and tiny the solution was to find? I practically cried when we finally uncovered it. I bit my lip I was SO angry. One stupid little switch – one stupid little rule – p~~~ed off a bunch of members and we had NO answers to give them. I wanted the Earth to open up and swallow me whole.
Unless Untamed isn’t welcome at mgtow.com anymore which wouldn’t be the only place I’m not welcome,
Thats’ the part I regret the most . A software conflict and stupid persistent invisible glitch actually started making the guys think they were being locked out ON PURPOSE. Like they were unwelcome. I know that feeling too, and it sucks brutally. But I also fabricated it in my own head. I took it personally when it wasn’t.
I don’t know where or how it’s possible to think we would ever intentionally do such a thing. Nobody benefits from that kind of a stunt. And I think you know we put too much in to do this to you. I actually ran after a bunch of members and personally delivered them manually generated passwords to help them. Some even phoned (like Mickey and Manipulated Man). They happened to catch me when I saw the google notification come in and I called them right back immediately to help them out.
Neither of them were sore about it either. That was the amazing part. They had every right to be p~~~ed- the-f~~~-off but they were so pleasant and understanding. I should extend my gratitude to them again.
The only opinion I’ll read on this subject is Keymaster’s.
Well that’s flattering. Thanks.
I just had to voice my disappointment and I won’t apologize for it.
Nor should you.
Generally….
We have a schedule to devote a % of daily hours to honoring cancel requests. And since some have also submitted deletion requests, this is an example of where it was better to first build in the capabilities for anyone to delete their own account instead of manually doing it for them. But if they see progress and fixes to problems, maybe they won’t.
At least 20 have already changed their minds and are very happy to stay. But we have delete requests from them, so we can’t just answer every delete request and click them away. By making the feature available to all, they can remove themselves now – or not. As soon as we announce it’s available , we will post a notice and reach out to them by email. Beginning with new members who aren’t participants yet.
it’s essential that these things are done in the correct order.
It will be done for EVERYONE globally, and then we will reach out to individuals.I hope you can understand.
I’m gutted that you’re disappointed.
And stand before you with my hat in my hand.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.It’s all good, bro!
Better now over here too.
As soon as the new homepage is up, you’ll be “MGHOW of the Day” — for 3 days.
Thanks, friend.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I hope you can understand.
Of course! read my reply above g-mow’s post, brother.
I’m gutted that you’re disappointed.
And stand before you with my hat in my hand.Aaaaw, man! Now I’m gutted that I made you feel like that. It wasn’t my intention to scold, Keymaster, believe you me. I hope you know that. It all came from frustration, paranoia, rumors and worry… Dummy me.
Please, put your hat back on, man. I have more respect for you than I have my own brother.Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!It happened lets move on for f~~~s sake .
I see a positive out of it all . There are good guys on the other site and on this site .
There is now two places i frequent. More places for men to land the better .
Some guys may not suite this site and go there . Some will not suite that site and end up here . Some may travel between sites .
Yes i was p~~~ed when i couldn’t get on here . The Thailand tranny thread . That was my idea not may7 . Thought it would grab ya attention lol .
I BLADE LIKE EVERY C~~~ ON THIS SITE AND THE OTHER SITE . Independent.
I BLADE LIKE CLEANING OUR OWN FLOORS .
WE ARE ALL MGTOW . We are all bros .
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
I am here because i do not need to.
I am here because i detached.delete my account now, permaban me now will have no bearing my life – because the red pill has been swallowed double and triple.
Being able to post my thoughts uncensored matters to me.
Unlike you – you still need it.
Stop needing it.
Stop depending on it.
Else you will be shackled to this Website, to the MGTOW community for all your life.… unable to walk away.
That means Other people, thsough this Forum, have an influence on your life.
Oh you left the shackles of marriage behind? Welcome to the Shackles of the Manosphere and the need to interact.Walking away and gaining sovereignty – it must be learned.
Welcome to course number 1.Ha ha!! Shackled to this website… Needing it, depending on it, bwahaha! … unable to walk away… The shackles of the Manosphere, ha ha!!
I have to give it you, bro. You got one hell of an imagination but you know jacks~~~ about me.
Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!It happened lets move on for f~~~s sake .
I see a positive out of it all . There are good guys on the other site and on this site .
There is now two places i frequent. More places for men to land the better .
Some guys may not suite this site and go there . Some will not suite that site and end up here . Some may travel between sites .
Yes i was p~~~ed when i couldn’t get on here . The Thailand tranny thread . That was my idea not may7 . Thought it would grab ya attention lol .
I BLADE LIKE EVERY C~~~ ON THIS SITE AND THE OTHER SITE . Independent.
I BLADE LIKE CLEANING OUR OWN FLOORS .
WE ARE ALL MGTOW . We are all bros
Well said, Blade!
Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!Hey untamed bro . Look at it like it was a road warrior moment .
I have had some fun wondering the wasteland
We are back in the compound bro .
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
Gargamel wrote:
He had to feed and cuddle my 7 cats.
Have seen your previous reference to “kitty cats” , and I admit I don’t get the joke or reference at all. I really am allergic to cats, but Its not clear if you’re mocking me, or just making fun.
Sorry, just making fun.
Straight from the rumor department. We all thought you had forgotten us and returned to the plantation.
Or your new girlfriend keeps you from maintaining the site.
And so I added imaginary cats to your bouquet of imaginary wedding presents.
And BTW:
You happen run one of the biggest “crazy cat lady generating” sites of the world. One day the cat population will go off the rails and then they are sure to come to your door too. Sit there at your doorstep and meow for food.
Statistically, every man going MGTOW will result in at least 4 more cats being kept by some lonely woman…
For now you only have imaginary cats purring around you. And rubbing their imaginary tails on your legs.
And you can’t be allergic to these.
In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim
For now you only have imaginary cats purring around you. And rubbing their imaginary tails on your legs.
Bro that sounds like cat porn . Lol .
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
As soon as the new homepage is up, you’ll be “MGHOW of the Day” — for 3 days.
No, Keymaster, please. I wasn’t asking for special treatment even if it may have sounded like that.
I expressed my frustration and I’m all good now.Put yourself MGTOW of the MONTH, you deserve it more than anyone on this website. S~~~, not only you keep it running but you participate in the threads with advice and wisdom as well! My hat’s still off to you, bro.
Besides, I’m MGTOW of the day every time I look in the mirror, lol.
Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!wedding
Karen straun or kate smurf c~~~ . Who was it km .
F~~~ imagine living with kate smurfc~~~ .
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
You happen run one of the biggest “crazy cat lady generating” sites of the world. One day the cat population will go off the rails and then they are sure to come to your door too. Sit there at your doorstep and meow for food.
He he… Knowing him he’ll turn the cats MGTOW then the hoes will not only wonder where the good men have gone but their cats as well! Imagine the wailing…
Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!This Forum matters to me.
The work that Keymaster does on this site matters to me.
The good members on here matter to me.
The info, wisdom and advice in the threads matter to me.
Men and their lives matter to me.
Being able to post my thoughts uncensored matters to me.
The damages that feminism has done to Men matter to me.No F~~~s Given, sure, as far as many things and people go but this website, Keymaster, the other brothers and their posts have no part of my NFG.
Seconded.
I would have done many things to keep our content from dying if this site had disappeared.
My worries were real since rumors sometimes are truths. Especially since we MGTOW are constantly exposed to banning, doxxing and trolling. We are worried about the security of a site like this.
This here is not a forum about fishing or home improvement. We are in the political spotlight more and more each passing day.
And it made my day to hear that this place will go on.
In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim
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