Differences between MGTOW and MRA (Men's Rights Advocates)? My thoughts

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I will MGTOW and MRA will sometimes get lumped together, but also differences made.  In the SJW/Feminist side, it gets lumped in as a category of men who hate women, and so on.  Anyhow, I don’t care what Tumblrites rage about personally, or what they say on YouTube.

Please clarify my understanding of the differences.  MRA look to advocate to try to change social values and get laws changed to be more favorable.  They are trying to work to have society be more accepting of men.  MGTOWs, on the other hand, have decided they would rather just go off and do their own thing, and forget about what society things, just become self-reliant, and do what is needed, no matter what.  Pretty much, call the bluff of the social scare tactics, and just do what one wants, rather than try to get approval.  The approach for a MGTOW is different, and far more of get my own stuff together than try to work together with a crowd to change things.  In short, MRAs can fight feminists, MGTOWs decide it isn’t even really worth it at all, but look after oneself first, and others who may need help, so that they are strengthened individually.  MGTOWs refuse to play the game the feminist/SJW side wants to play, which likely annoys them.

Please feel free to clarify for me the difference. I am hoping I am on target.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Lord VatsParticipant 379]

You hit the nail right on the head. MGHOWs recognize that the society’s misandry is beyond repair, and the best way to engage the enemy would be to not engage the enemy.
We’ll enjoy whatever lives we have left doing our thing, instead of wasting it on a lost cause. Its a F~~~ YOU to everyone who’s not a MGHOW.
– f~~~ you feminists, we’ll not engage you
– f~~~ you manginas, you’re dog s~~~
– f~~~ you knights, interfere in our matter and we’ll either go to jail or a hospital
– f~~~ you marxists, we’re out of politics, rob the feminists blind for all we care

Most MGHOWs are okay with not passing on their genes. Some love women (as in love them for giving a place to deposit cum). Some MGHOWs have been so burned that women repel them and they won’t even sit near a woman.
We all are apathetic towards women as well as blue pillers.

[Sam RavenParticipant 181]

MGTOW doesn’t give a s~~~ what women or society think. MRA are ‘hoping’ that somehow being honorable and working within a system that’s rotten at the foundation they will somehow get somewhere. Its a fool’s errand.

The MRA thinks that by ‘talking’ about it to the feminists and their mangina/white knight stilleto lickers (who have shown time and again they don’t believe in rational debate or logic),  that somehow this will change the situation. They are deluded and have shown their inability to handle the situation as shown in that feminist incident in Canada involving the false fire alarm and in doing so have shown that having a rational debate does not work with these people.

MGTOW realizes the entire society is fundamentally made of cancer and Fail. The entire society has over the last few thousand years, allowed the religion of money and materialism to become the measure of value of a person, in this case a man. It has metastasized into something so toxic its considered standard for a woman to marry, have kids and then divorce a man and drain him of all his hard earned money without a single thought to what the man is going through, considering the male human does the riskier jobs and suffers more death and injury and generally suffers more stress and therefore has a shorter life. Then again who wants to live another extra day on this f~~~ed up world?

Good luck telling the above to any westernized woman when women in general do not use logic. Hence MGTOW says, I am done, and I want out like Barbarossa says.

MGTOW doesn’t give a f~~~ about society’s problems, because society doesn’t give a f~~~ about men. Fair deal.

[BritGHOWParticipant 2566]

Your timing is uncanny Richard, I just got done with this video courtesy of Raging Golden Eagle which pretty much spells out what you’re looking for from the MGTOW perspective.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I keep thinking there is so many other ways to leave a legacy without passing on genes.

In regards to the state of things, We Didn’t Start the Fire comes to mind now:

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Sam Raven wrote:

It has metastasized into something so toxic its considered standard for a woman to marry, have kids and then divorce a man and drain him of all his hard earned money without a single thought to what the man is going through

This is pretty much what turned me off the whole marriage idea.  I was raised thinking the working father, stay at home mother family situation was the ideal.  The more men I meet who are going through, or have recently gone through a divorce in their 40’s or 50’s and get financially destroyed…the less I want to get married.  I couldn’t even imagine spending the next 10-20 years earning a 6 figure salary and at the whim of a woman end up being 50 and broke.  Even if I have kids but do so unwed, I know I’m only on the hook for at most 18 years of child support…its a heck of a lot cheaper than having to split previously earned assets plus the same child support like what happens in divorce.  The only thing that might be worse than that is meeting an older gentlemen stuck in a miserable cheaper to keep her type marriage.

Its not even that I hate women, or don’t ever want to get involved with any of them…its just that modern society has handed them so much power over men, most of them have been corrupted by it.  I don’t write the rules, and if MRA’s have any success I’ll be either too old to care or dead, so I really don’t care enough to bother wasting my time trying to change the rules.  Its just simply in my best interest to realize many rules are written against men and the best way I can go through life is to make it so as few of these rules as possible apply to me…basically never get married.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

Both are well-meaning
MRA is socialistic approach to the problem (top down)
MGTOW is individualistic approach to the problem
I lived under socialism long enough to understand that top down approach is a losing strategy in the long run.
I can’t say it’s completely worthless, there has to be a mix of two, with emphasis on individualism.
MRA is useful because it’s like using hive’s own weapons against it. The weapons are out there and being used against us, so it would be a waste to completely ignore them.

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

For sure one path is (mine, n=1):

Worn Out MRA == MGTOW

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[Lord VatsParticipant 379]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

Worn Out MRA == MGTOW

Hey HR PuffnStuff, I think you’re not giving much credit to MGTOW, some of us actually had the sense to join right away.
That one article here just resonated so much with me that I joined right away, because I was familiar with the misandry from a very early age. Best decision I made in a very long time.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Russky wrote:

Both are well-meaning MRA is socialistic approach to the problem (top down) MGTOW is individualistic approach to the problem I lived under socialism long enough to understand that top down approach is a losing strategy in the long run. I can’t say it’s completely worthless, there has to be a mix of two, with emphasis on individualism. MRA is useful because it’s like using hive’s own weapons against it. The weapons are out there and being used against us, so it would be a waste to completely ignore them.

What is the problem?  As I am seeing it, a MGTOW has “the problem” as them being tired of getting the short end of the stick, and they realize that there isn’t going to be some sort of white knight, or calvary, that is going to come rescue them, so they need to work with what is, gain whatever advantage they can, and look after themselves.  They don’t care about what is seen as “the problem” that a group of people think, because they have enough of their own problems.  The solution for each MGTOW is found in whatever their own way is.  This way can be isolation, or connecting with others, but it isn’t destruction of their way for some mythical social norms that people fear will be broken.

Well, that is my take.  Am I off?  I do want to know what this problem is.  To quote a line for the song, I have 99 of them, and I don’t have another.  Being MGTOW means you don’t have that other problem.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

by “the problem” I meant current state of sex relations in the hive (on a grand scale) – the proverbial short end of the stick, how you put it.
I mean c’mon – you know what “the problem” is – let’s not argue about semantics and word definitions.

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Russky wrote:

by “the problem” I meant current state of sex relations in the hive (on a grand scale) – the proverbial short end of the stick, how you put it. I mean c’mon – you know what “the problem” is – let’s not argue about semantics and word definitions.

I was asking that, because, my reasons for doing MGTOW go beyond just the current state of sex relationships.  It is much broader in the whole of all social expectations.  My going my own way isn’t just with women, but professionally also.  It is a question of seeing how deep people see the rabbit hole to be.  I do understand a starting point for MGTOW is what you talk about, but by asking what “the problem” is, it enables discussion of a larger framework.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

I am a god looking down on the ants of feminism and the society it is destroying.

I don’t give a s~~~ what either is doing.

I have my godliness and my heaven to look out for.

The rest are but worms 😁

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

MRAs are foolish they have been fighting feminism since the 70’s and got them nowhere. It’s MGTOW that s~~~ done by opting out of serious relationships and marriage. AFVM been promoting marriage. It’s funny how the MRA leaders say marriage is acceptable, however they themselves won’t get married.

MRA and feminists feed off each other. They debate and attack each other. MRA have been to dox people including MGTOW through 3rd party.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[Anonymous 42]

MGTOW is the meteor no one ever saw coming, until it was too late. It’s great being that meteor headed to smash the core of feminism and beyond! Nothing has more of a GYOW attitude than a meteor! right?

 

 

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Anonymous wrote:

MGTOW is the meteor no one ever saw coming, until it was too late. It’s great being that meteor headed to smash the core of feminism and beyond! Nothing has more of a GYOW attitude than a meteor! right?

Maybe not the possibility of it being a social movement that shakes things, but the roots have been there a long time, and in the roots of Western Liberal tradition.  It goes back to Hobbes, and you see it in the likes of Objectivism, and Libertarianism.  Actually, go look up some of Robert Ringer’s writings from the 1970s, “Looking out for #1” and “Winning through Intimidation” (this last one here, Winning, isn’t about using intimidation, but the fact some will look to intimidate you to win).

I think we are at a place where social norms have broken down, that really the only think left is for everyone to go their own way, and find their own way.  No one can promise you squat any longer, so if you can be the one with the power, who can control the things, and keep your word, you are far more golden then the masses looking for someone to come along and rescue them.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Smitty the Great OneParticipant 1535]

MRA’s still have hope that they can effect a change in society. MGTOW know there is no hope for society in it’s current form, and said f~~~ it. MRA’s are battling feminists and MGTOW is Achilles sulking in his tent unwilling to fight. We cannot this battle, it is over. We can however win the war by merely waiting for women to destroy what is left, and they are well on their way. Hopefully someone can record these events and maybe the civilzation that comes after will learn. The Gods of the Copybook Headings are about to return gentlemen, you have been warned….

Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....

[experiencedParticipant]

@Smitty, hoping yours was an accidental miswording:

“MRA’s are battling feminists and MGTOW is Achilles sulking in his tent unwilling to fight.”

Didya mean “MRA’s are battling feminists and opining that MGTOW is Achilles sulking in his tent unwilling to fight.”   ??

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

Three men are in a bar

An MRA/MHRA a PUA  and a MGTOW

Some women walk in the bar.

One of the women says “Im a feminist”

The MRA/MHRA starts debating with the feminist

The  PUA is thinking how can i use this to get laid.

The MGTOW downs his beer and walks out.

 

Version 2

Three men are in a bar.

An MRA/MHRA a PUA  and a MGTOW

Some women walk in the bar.

One of the women says “Im an antifeminist”

The MRA/MHRA is high fiveing her and saying “You go girl”

The PUA is thinking how can i use this to get laid

The MGTOW downs his beer and walks out

Version 3

Three men are in a bar.

An MRA/MHRA a PUA  and a MGTOW

Some women walk in the bar.

The MGTOW drinks his beer and walks out.

 

Any questions?

 

 

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

@ CrazyCanuck

Thats exactly right.

MRAs are giving feminists  exactly what they want.Someone to point their finger at and say “See, woman haters.They hate us because we are women.” “Evil woman hating s~~~lords” “Call security and the SPLC and the FBI because there are anti women terrorists online and they are trying to invade our university’s “

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

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