Dating: an agreement, not a precursor to misery

[CombatRollParticipant 2594]

As has been debated here ad nauseam there are many levels of MGTOW.

Some understandably treat women like a vessel possessed by satan, thrusting a MGTOW cross at them and throwing scalding holy MGTOW water in their faces.

Others date and like moths to a dangerous flame flitter around hoping to dip wicks without getting singed or totally drawn into the fire and scorched to death by a LTR or God help you – marriage.

If you stupidly entertain that not AWALT then you will be screwed like all of us on this site have been… many of you more than once.

As I find my way to freedom I think about what dating will look like. I’m at a point where I can’t be a Monk and frankly don’t want to go down that road as of yet.

But knowing the perils of marriage and LTR or “Shacking Up” – I will NEVER EVER live under the same roof with a woman again.

I view dating as a dangerous hobby that one receives some “bennies” from but that if the proper safety precautions are not observed, death (to your happiness and your wallet) will occur. I liken dating to Rock Climbing, SkyDiving, Scuba Diving, etc.

Dating should be an agreement. OK, I’ll buy dinner – then get sex. You bake me a pie, I’ll be kind and watch a movie with you and I get more sex.

We can enjoy similar interests together and hang out, etc.

Ideally a monogamous relationship without being smothered to death and free of bitching and whining. Is this like a Unicorn, or does this really exist?

Where the problems arise: Over time women want more. More commitment. Women want you limiting time doing things that make you happy. Hobbies, friends, etc. It is encoded into their DNA to want to sink their nails into you and have you pay for more things, spend time doing what they want you to do and bitching and whining if you do not bend for them.

The lines need to be drawn and never crossed should you choose to date.

Being willing to be clear and brutal in adherence to your rules for dating is crucial and you must walk away IMMEDIATELY if there is any push back.

Again, I’m just musing about what dating looks like for MGTOWs who choose to do it. Many here will bash the concept of even suggesting such craziness. But I’m interested- are there more of you out there that have these same cravings that draw you to the flames?

In reality – I don’t think dating can work long term. Women will want more, bitch more, demand more and so after the initial endorphin dumps and hot sex stages things will go south. This is inevitable.

So, is the dating cycle to be viewed as a temporary thing? Enjoy the early stages of fun and sex and when the nails come out to try and dig in and hold you captive you bolt to the next valley over and find a new filly – then repeat?

These are ramblings and thoughts more so than a declaration.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

I wish I could, but I can’t. I can’t deal with people anymore, all I want is to be left alone, I wanna go far away, to a place no one bothers me.

I know how women are, I can’t unlearn what I learned, I know what society could do to me, I want out, I’m working on my way to scape from this s~~~.

I just wanna be left alone, I will fend for myself, I wish I could just go away and never interact with a human been ever again.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[CombatRollParticipant 2594]

Carnage wrote:

I wish I could, but I can’t. I can’t deal with people anymore, all I want is to be left alone, I wanna go far away, to a place no one bothers me.

I know how women are, I can’t unlearn what I learned, I know what society could do to me, I want out, I’m working on my way to scape from this s~~~.

I just wanna be left alone, I will fend for myself, I wish I could just go away and never interact with a human been ever again.

And I respect that.

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

I’m involved in my first dating situation since medicating with the Red Pill. It is actually quite nice having my eyes open — understanding women’s behavior and knowing “Gynese” [woman-speak]. I’m able to predict the future with a pretty consistent degree of accuracy.

I’m deeply in debt to all of you and feel like I’m standing on the shoulders of giants.

CombatRoll wrote:

Being willing to be clear and brutal in adherence to your rules for dating is crucial and you must walk away IMMEDIATELY if there is any push back.

KEY ^^^^^^^^^^^^

Listen carefully young men.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[AwakenedParticipant 35201]

CombatRoll wrote:

In reality – I don’t think dating can work long term. Women will want more, bitch more, demand more and so after the initial endorphin dumps and hot sex stages things will go south. This is inevitable.

Since you believe the above, which I also believe to be an accurate description of reality, Why INVEST all that Time, Energy, Effort, Drama and Cash for some Ole Hag when the end result is a potential Incarceration on False Rape Charges or Whatever Crap she wants to throw at you ?

All it takes is ONE Crazy lil Cupcake to RUIN your Whole Life; We both know that there’s Plenty of Bat S~~~ Crazy lil Sweeties Out there.

Isn’t it Easier and Safer to just hire out for services as needed ?

Dating Leads to Relationships, Relationships Lead to Marriage, and Marriage Leads to Misery.

Dating in and of itself can lead to Misery if you are unlucky enough to be chosen by the wrong lil fruitcake.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[CombatRollParticipant 2594]

Awakened wrote:

CombatRoll wrote:

In reality – I don’t think dating can work long term.

Isn’t it Easier and Safer to just hire out for services as needed ?

Isn’t it essentially what this is, just not with a diseased hooker who might roll you or give you lice?

[AwakenedParticipant 35201]

CombatRoll wrote:

Awakened wrote:

CombatRoll wrote:

In reality – I don’t think dating can work long term.

Isn’t it Easier and Safer to just hire out for services as needed ?

Isn’t it essentially what this is, just not with a diseased hooker who might roll you or give you lice?

Hiring out for professional service doesn’t have to be as you describe. In fact, it can be far Safer in ALL AREAS and BETTER Looking and Performing then anything you are presently dating.

But that aside, I’m merely stating that you’re playing with fire whenever you get into any form of “dating” relationship with ANY Women. All they have to do is yell Rape, or stalk you, or key your car, or start problems for you at your place of employment, or WHATEVER their lil hamster wheel dreams up. I know that you are aware of this.

I’m not recommending that you hire HO’s, stop dating, or anything else.

I’m curious though at how do you think you’ll be able to avoid the Crazy ones from potentially seriously f~~~ing with your life ?

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[CombatRollParticipant 2594]

Awakened wrote:

CombatRoll wrote:

Awakened wrote:

CombatRoll wrote:

I’m curious though at how do you think you’ll be able to avoid the Crazy ones from potentially seriously f~~~ing with your life ?

A valid question. There are risks involved in everything and taking the right precautions is KEY. Vetting and running at the first sign of craziness.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22510]

Yup, its high effort, high risk, low reward.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22510]

CombatRoll wrote:

Awakened wrote:

CombatRoll wrote:

In reality – I don’t think dating can work long term.

Isn’t it Easier and Safer to just hire out for services as needed ?

Isn’t it essentially what this is, just not with a diseased hooker who might roll you or give you lice?

I think given today’s way people approach casual sex, aka the clear rise of adults with std’s, it is not wise to assume they are disease-free. Seriously.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[Anonymous 18]

CombatRoll wrote:

Where the problems arise: Over time women want more.

Women always want more. Over time they gauge what you are capable of providing and what angle of manipulation would be most effective.

When she picks you from a list of other interested parties, she already knows what she wants, and you are the closest match.

CombatRoll wrote:

The lines need to be drawn and never crossed should you choose to date.

Unfortunately, unlike women, men do develop feelings and seek some form of maternal love from a woman in forms of affection and genuine care. When a man dates, he risks invoking his dog-like loyalty and place it on a woman. Someone who comprehends loyalty as weakness and proceeds to exploit it.

[TrailbossParticipant 1844]

There should be a consumer driven website where men can read/rate and discuss their experiences when paying for the “Girl Friend Experience”. Wait….https://www.bestgfe.com/showcase/ ….lol

An educated, armed populace cannot be enslaved.

[AwakenedParticipant 35201]

I’m not Free as of yet, but when the youngest graduates High School, and I claim my Freedom I just don’t see the point of dating.

By then, I will be in my 50’s and most of the Women that I see on dating sites that are in the 40 – 50’s range are just not all that attractive. That aside, I just don’t think I will have the patience/desire to put up with ALL their s~~~ just to tap some wore out Old Ho.

I’m just thinking the Time Commitment, Talking to them about THEIR Stupid S~~~/desires/work/kids ETC., listen to ALL THEIR S~~~, deal with THEIR kids adult or otherwise, having to take them out, call them, text them, report to them about where I’m going and can’t or can take them here, there, or where ever, them wanting to go away, take trips, etc. etc. etc.

I used to think that I wanted to get a girlfriend/date when I get divorced, but in reality I just don’t really want to do any of the things that they would want a boyfriend to do.

If you want to “date”, I get it. I get that you will try and ride the fine line between casual sex and starting a “relationship”.

I hope you keep us posted as to your dating adventures as it could make for some interesting posts.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[OldBillParticipant]

CombatRoll wrote:

I liken dating to Rock Climbing, SkyDiving, Scuba Diving, etc.

No. Not in the slightest.

Unlike women, mountains, the sky, and the oceans are not conscious entities. While all three present dangers, they don’t actively choose to f~~~ with you. Furthermore, the dangers they pose remain the essentially same. A rock face doesn’t work to lull you into a sense of security with some ulterior motive in mind.

Putting it another way, mountains, the sky, and the oceans are honest while women are not.

Being willing to be clear and brutal in adherence to your rules for dating is crucial and you must walk away IMMEDIATELY if there is any push back.

While that mindset can mitigate the danger, it can’t remove it altogether. I’ll remind you of the last time you believed you had a good system with which to deal with a woman. In the end and despite that system plus all your planning, you ended up moving out rather than her.

No plan survives contact with the enemy and, unlike inanimate objects you listed, women are active enemies.

You date at your own peril.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[sjt1975Participant 2536]

CombatRoll wrote:

I view dating as a dangerous hobby…

Dating is a very dangerous ‘hobby’ nowadays. It is so dangerous and it is such a bad deal for men, like Marriage, that it is just not worth doing. Any man who dates/marries nowadays is just deluding himself and will get screwed-over in the end.

CombatRoll wrote:

Dating should be an agreement.

LOL. Good Luck with that one!!! Good Luck trying to get a woman to agree to anything. They can’t even give reliable/trust-worthy consent for sex, let alone reliable/trust-worthy agreement to anything else. At the end of the day, the ultimate aim of dating is to have a relationship/marriage with a woman, so if you are not interested in a relationship/marriage, which no sane man would be nowadays, then why bother with dating at all? Just pump-n-dump, hire an escort, or pay for a prostitute, if you must have sex with women; you are just deluding yourself and setting yourself up to fail, otherwise nowadays.

[anonymousyamParticipant 4605]

CombatRoll wrote:

I view dating as a dangerous hobby that one receives some “bennies” from but that if the proper safety precautions are not observed, death (to your happiness and your wallet) will occur.

It depends on how you define dating exactly.

If you mean the relations~~~ kind and not just f~~~ing then yes death to your happiness and wallet will occur but if just f~~~ing the greatest risk of accusation or pregnancy with disease coming in second place.

CombatRoll wrote:

Dating should be an agreement. OK, I’ll buy dinner – then get sex. You bake me a pie, I’ll be kind and watch a movie with you and I get more sex.

No no no no as you will end up getting f~~~ing dinner whores and that puts her as the prize. You are the prize and she must pay for it in some way, so it is not you buying her dinner, or flowers or chocolate in the hopes of her f~~~ing you but rather she buying you what you want in the hopes if you f~~~ing her.

So if you buy me X then i might have sex with you and but buy me more X and i might have even more close sex with you etc. There should not be one single thing that says you want it more then she does.

CombatRoll wrote:

We can enjoy similar interests together and hang out, etc.

No hang out bulls~~~, if i want to hang out ill find some friends (or even f~~~heads who i hate but get me drugs) or even complete strangers and then hang out no relationship or hanging out with a woman that does not involve sex or drugs.

The only hang out bulls~~~ is the precursor to sex (like getting ready or warming up before it begins). Outside of this no hanging out.

CombatRoll wrote:

So, is the dating cycle to be viewed as a temporary thing? Enjoy the early stages of fun and sex and when the nails come out to try and dig in and hold you captive you bolt to the next valley over and find a new filly – then repeat?

The problem is i do not give a f~~~ about dating as s~~~ tends to happen rather then be intentional. Beyond the sex there is nothing relationship wise and f~~~ing is not being on the prowl but just tends to happen. It probably is just me but s~~~ just comes to me, i do not need to go to s~~~.

Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.

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