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We were discussing the warning signs that we now see in my ex-wife (hindsight being 20/20 and all that). My mother wholeheartedly acknowledges that my ex is crazy, but true to her trad-con roots, she also felt obliged to criticize me as well.
Her: “Well, there were some warning signs in you, too.”
Me: “Oh? Like what?”
Her: “Well, you liked to stay up late and I think it really bothered [your ex] that you guys didn’t always go to bed together at the same time.”
Me: “Really? That’s hardly a warning sign. Are you saying that a woman should reconsider marrying a man if he’s a night owl?”
Her: “Yeah! It’s definitely something I’d think about.”
Me: “That’s ridiculous. I always worked hard, would never abuse my wife or kids, never abused alcohol or drugs, and would never have divorced my wife. Going to bed late is not an excuse to divorce a man.
Her: “Well, it bothered [your ex].What I took from this is that the hypergamy runs deep even in the trad-con women, even women as dear to me as my own mother. It also reveals the expectation women have that men are nothing but beta-providers… and staying up late might mean that a man is (horrors!) spending time not focused entirely on his wife. Any time spent on yourself is just selfish, according to blue pill thinking.
I love my mother, and I respect her a lot. I don’t expect her to grasp red pill philosophy, even though I have been giving subtle suggestions (in the forms of youtube videos, etc). But it is interesting how I never even noticed this kind of blue pill thinking before.
"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul

Anonymous42Her: “Well, you liked to stay up late and I think it really bothered [your ex] that you guys didn’t always go to bed together at the same time.”
yea you don’t wear the same shoes at the same time either, f~~~ing nonsense!
Your Mum is Old School, just like my parents. They want the best for you, and in their world that means Family and Kids. They judge by the standards of their time. Rules have changed now. They aren’t going to Get It. She just want’s you to Fit In so you attain the Happy Ever After.
Possible in Her Day.
Not in ours.
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My dear mother had a few choice words, after the woman who I lived with and raised her daughter for 4 years left me. I supported them both, brought the daughters from B-C’s to straight A’s. The woman left in 24 hours, so she had a plan.
My dear mother said I should have given her a car as a parting gift. Then my mother did not speak to me for about 6 months.
They are all that way.
She is a Tradcon.
Everything is your fault.
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It also reveals the expectation women have that men are nothing but beta-providers… and staying up late might mean that a man is (horrors!) spending time not focused entirely on his wife.
Have you ever noticed that if you do “whatever your woman wants”, you’re gonna end up doing a whole lot of nothing at all?
Observe this f~~~ing bulls~~~ that women share all over the internet, which is some imagined recipe for “the right guy”.
Here’s another one that stinks like yesterday’s diapers.
Now, seriously consider that garbage.
What kind of “man” would you be?• “Who calls her back when she hangs up on him.”
Only a LOSER would do that.• “Who will lay under the stars and listen to her heartbeat.”
Nothing better to do with his time?• “Staying awake just to watch her sleep(!!)”
Again, you have nothing better to do.• “Who will constantly remind her of how much she means to him.”
Yes, like she’s the center of the goddam universe and requires constant validation, and it’s my job to constantly gush forth an endless stream of adoration and attention.• “The right woman wants your time, effort, honesty (don’t make me laugh), loyalty, and putting her as a priority.”
Jesus tap-dancing Christ.—
Does any of that PAY? What’s in it for YOU to be that moron? Will you ever accomplish anything doing that stupid womanly s~~~? Is that f~~~~~ry going to put food on the table? Does it pay the rent? I have heard women talk about going on vacation as if the money for that s~~~ just grows on trees! She doesn’t even think about the 2 unpaid weeks of salary you don’t earn on top of it!
I think it really bothered [your ex] that you guys didn’t always go to bed together at the same time.”
She’ll live.
It’s truly amazing how much of an abject asshole you have be to female friends, girlfriends, moms & sisters just to make this sink into their heads.
My mother actually said “you know what would be really nice? Why don’t you sit down and write your nieces a nice little letter and remind them they have an uncle”. I’m not kidding. We had this conversation 2 weeks ago and I called her out for that.
When I was 5 / 6 / 7 / 8 she made me sit down and write to my uncle and aunt in another country just to make her happy. Just a hand written letter to tell her about all the things I was doing in school, and I had to write it in another language – proper spelling and everything! If I didn’t know the word, I would have to look it up! Now that I am a grown man, she thinks I SHOUD STILL be doing that and writing letters to my little nieces.
Not happening. Not once did any of MY uncles ever sit down and write a 8 year old a letter — because they were too BUSY for that s~~~, working so their wives could sit on their butts and EAT.
It’s now MY turn to receive letters from them, so she can make HER GRAND CHILDREN sit down, kiss my butt for a change and write their uncle a letter instead. Of course, in order for this to sink in, I had to be a great big jerk.
Go ahead. Be an asshole. It feels fantastic.
Put it in it’s proper perspective for them, because they aren’t capable of it.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Trad-Con is the flip side of feminism. They are very different in many ways, but ultimately they both believe that men are utility items to be sacrificed for the benefit of the wife and children.
Therefore, ANYTHING you WANT, DESIRE, or DO is all at least secondary to the desires of the wife and/or kids. This is how and why your mother can find fault with you when there truly is no fault to be found.
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The thought of getting married again so that I can be subjected to 24/7 scheduling of my time is enough, all by itself, to make me go my own way.
I have tons of creative energy. I have several very rewarding hobbies that I pursue in my spare time, and I derive a lot of satisfaction from them. But I never had time to pursue them when I was married. I realize now how much I missed them.
For one thing, I get to play piano now and not be interrupted by an angry wife who might not be angry with me but who will take out her anger on me regardless. There is nothing like cranky bitching to completely spoil my mood when I’m playing music. Nothing ruins Chopin like bitching in the next room. At least my daughters appreciate my piano playing.
But yeah… the thought of having to constantly report to my wife about how I’m spending my time and money and energy, like she’s my damn parole officer? No thanks.
"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul
What I took from this is that the
hypergamyown group preference runs deep even in the trad-con women, even women as dear to me as my own mother.Make no mistake, AWALT. My ex-girlfriend would try to get me to tip waitresses even more than 20%, when she wouldn’t tip a waiter even if he had a good sense of humor and provided expedient service (same job, different junk). My trad-con mother and sister’s first impulse when I criticize feminism’s hypocrisy is to defend it even though they claim that they understand feminism is chiefly responsible for the destruction of the family unit.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."
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