Conversation with female friend

[TaxGuyParticipant]

I have a female friend that I hang out with every couple months or so. She’s an old friend from my freshman year in college. I use the term friend pretty loosely, I wouldn’t call her a good friend. But she’s pretty cool and fun to hang out with. I’m not sure if she’s friend-zoned me, but I’ve friend-zoned her so I don’t really care.

Anyway, we got together over the weekend. As we were talking she said something about forest fires. I commented that when I fought fires…………

You were a firefighter?
Yup. All the way through college.
I didn’t know that. That raises you up a couple notches.
Oh, I’m way cooler than you know.

Anyway, I just thought it was funny. Once she heard I had fought fires, all of the sudden my sexual market value went up. I know that because she told me it did. If she knew how much money I make I’m sure that would have up it even higher. One of the reasons I don’t drive a fancy car or wear expensive clothes.

It kind of made me wonder if she is rethinking her friend zone. Not that it would matter. In fact, it could create drama that would make me hang out with her less.

The conversation did confirm for me that I’m happier not being in a relationship. That red pill was bitter at first, but now it tastes pretty damn good.

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[Anonymous 6]

Hey I’m a volunteer firefighter, son of a chief. Nice to meet you brother

[foolsgoldParticipant 5637]

Had a similar conversation with a new female employee. She started the conversation not me.
” I heard you were a professional baseball player’.
Me- “Yes I was but many years ago.”
Her- “Wow, that’s really cool”.
She is young and attractive but I’m done dating and I would never date anyone I work with anyway. What is funny is before she wouldn’t give me the time of day. Now she goes out of her way. Gentlemen, nothing ever changes. smh

[narwhalParticipant]

It somewhat reminds me of conversations I’ve had with a couple different women. They made sure to let me know that they used to do some modeling when they were younger. I guess it’s supposed to make me think more of them or something, but it never does. It just partially explains why they came to believe they are Gods gift to men.

Ok. Then do it.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

This raises an interesting question—can a woman’s desire for $$$/social status EVER trump her initial placement of a man in the friend-zone; to wit is the “friend-zone” permanent?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

TaxGuy wrote:

my sexual market value went up. I know that because she told me it did.

Not bursting your bubble, but your perceived utility value went up. Firefighters are a uniformed profession and they are about values like self-sacrifice and all that goes with it.

A uniform speaks to women about your character and values because they are too lazy to find out for themselves – when you’re not wearing one. In uniform “value” goes up. Out of uniform, their perceived value goes down in a woman’s eyes, but it’s still the same guy.

She is complete s~~~ at judging your character, and not even your “friend” ever knew that about you? Looks like friendzone doesn’t mean “friend” after all.

Are you sure your value just went up because she said so?
Or did HER value just go DOWN. Yours was always higher.

TaxGuy wrote:

It kind of made me wonder if she is rethinking her friend zone

Doesn’t matter. Are you re-thinking un-friendzoning her simply because of what she said? You need to be a firefighter in order to increase your “value” to her. All she needs to do is recognize it?

Not enough.

You didn’t really gain a couple of notches because you were at that level already. She just didn’t see it, but she just went DOWN a couple of notches. Thats how I would see it.

A woman can’t LOWER my value, so I won’t let her raise it with a few well chosen words either. It’s lazy. Your value is your value no matter what she “says”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

PistolPete wrote:

This raises an interesting question—can a woman’s desire for $$$/social status EVER trump her initial placement of a man in the friend-zone; to wit is the “friend-zone” permanent?

No, the friend zone isn’t permanent. You just have to do something to prove that you are worthy of elevation out of the friend zone. Unless there’s just no physical attraction. Then you’re screwed.

Of if you’ve been friend zoned by a MGTOW. That one you can’t get out of. Because it’s not you baby, it’s me!!

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[TaxGuyParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

TaxGuy wrote:

my sexual market value went up. I know that because she told me it did.

Not bursting your bubble, but your perceived utility value went up. Firefighters are a uniformed profession and they are about values like self-sacrifice and all that goes with it.

A uniform speaks to women about your character and values because they are too lazy to find out for themselves – when you’re not wearing one. In uniform “value” goes up. Out of uniform, their perceived value goes down in a woman’s eyes, but it’s still the same guy.

She is complete s~~~ at judging your character and not even your “friend” ever knew that about you? Looks like friendzone doesn’t mean “friend” after all.

Are you sure your value just went up because she said so?
Or did HER value just go DOWN. Yours was always higher.

TaxGuy wrote:

It kind of made me wonder if she is rethinking her friend zone

Doesn’t matter. Are you re-thinking un-friendzoning her simply because of what she said? You need to be a firefighter in order to increase your “value” to her. All she needs to do is recognize it?

Not enough.

You didn’t really gain a couple of notches because you were at that level already. She just didn’t see it, but she just went down a couple of notches.

Interesting, and glad you chimed in. Always a great read on stuff like this. Great point on my UTILITY value. Although, if she was smarter she would realize that my utility value is way higher for the profession I’m in now. I make way more money than I would have had I fought fires for a career.

And I said I used the term friend loosely. We were friends our freshman year of college, for a little while a few years after college, and then just recently reconnected and realized we live in the same city. So we get together every once in a while.

Am I thinking about unfriend zoning her? Nope. My initial read on the situation was that we had friend zoned each other. Her comment just made me wonder if she’s rethinking that, or that maybe I misread it in the first place.

And yeah, good point about my value. It hasn’t changed. It just went up “to her”.

Thanks KM. I always appreciate an outside perspective.

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[Anonymous 6]

Yea women throw themselves at men in uniform because they know their is status involved, it’s a high risk profession, and If you so happen to not make it home at night, they get a hefty benefits package.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Yea women throw themselves at men in uniform because they know their is status involved, it’s a high risk profession, and If you so happen to not make it home at night, they get a hefty benefits package.

The funniest part of that is that your uniform for forest fires is a yellow shirt.

And your dad is a stud. I’m sure going into a burning building is safer than it sounds. I know enough about forest fires to feel confident around one. You can’t fear the fire, but you damn well better respect what it can do. Rule one on a forest fire is never be in front or uphill from the fire. Rule 1A is stand where it’s black. It’s already burned there. I never learned the rules for a burning building….

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[GregB0Participant]

TaxGuy wrote:

That raises you up a couple notches

Women always view men through the resource index and adjust that value calculation as needed. It’s all about the resources that men can bring them and what level of involvement the women has to engage in to obtain them.

Kudo’s to you, I used to work for the N.C. Forest Service while going to college as standby staff. Had just gotten out of military basic training at the time so going up and down hills was not an issue. I still have my Nomex shirt and custom McLeod rake. Always good to have when starting brush fires after trimming the trees and bushes.

​"​My father didn't tell me how to live; he lived, and let me watch him do it.​" - Clarence Buddinton Kelland

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

So THAT Is where you got your Nomex shirt!!! WOW all these years and I thought you were just trying to be stylish!

[BigDParticipant 3024]

I peed on a fire once? Does that make me anything? Seriously, way to go with the firefighting.

Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.

[Anonymous 18]

TaxGuy wrote:

You just have to do something to prove that you are worthy of elevation out of the friend zone.

Also known as re-entering the matrix.

A no go for the mghow.

Taxguy with all due respect brother I sense hue of blue and you’re a blowjob away from re-entering the matrix.

My apologies if I sound condescending but your tone for a c~~~ that said something you have done raises your perceived value is too soft. Almost simp level.

It should not only outrage you but also realize the emasculation capacity of c~~~s like her.

They live by their narcissistic metric of injecting worth in a man. And withdrawing when the man is hooked. The toxic cycle.

No bitch should ever tell a man what his value is. By dictating it such she puts herself as the point of reference.

C~~~ is far beneath you.

Eject.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

TaxGuy wrote:

Anyway, I just thought it was funny. Once she heard I had fought fires, all of the sudden my sexual market value went up.

To be fair your MV goes up with everyone. Being a firefighter is something that should be respected by everyone, for your willingness to risk your life for others. If she is moving you out of the friend zone then it will become apparent if she makes a move in that direction. Until then I wouldn’t over think it.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[joetechParticipant]

All women imagine that firefighters have bigger hoses. She may get p~~~ed at you and un-friend you if her advances are rebuffed.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Taxguy with all due respect brother I sense hue of blue and you’re a blowjob away from re-entering the matrix.
My apologies if I sound condescending but your tone for a c~~~ that said something you have done raises your perceived value is too soft. Almost simp level.

Um, ok. Or, it could be that I saw hypergamy and brought it back to the group for analysis. But it doesn’t change the fact that I friend zoned her, and she’ll stay there.

And for the record, she’s not a c~~~. She’s a pretty nice person overall. That doesn’t mean that she’s not a woman though. She was either making a joke or a statement with what she said. I made sure she understood that I took it as a joke, because that keeps it in the friend zone.

But hey, fire away. I would rather have someone point out what it looks like from their perspective. No offense taken, no apology needed.

EDIT: After reading the thread again, maybe I should make one thing very clear: When I talked about how I think you can get out of the friend zone, I was answering Pete’s question hypothetically. That comment had nothing to do with original post.

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[MonkParticipant 16975]

Anonymous wrote:

… and If you so happen to not make it home at night, they get a hefty benefits package.

I knew several men in high risk occupations that were killed in the line of duty.

Their widows certainly found the trade off acceptable.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

joetech wrote:

All women imagine that firefighters have bigger hoses. She may get p~~~ed at you and un-friend you if her advances are rebuffed.

And I’m totally fine with that. We see each other about every other month. I can find something else to do six times a year.

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[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

TaxGuy wrote:

And for the record, she’s not a c~~~. She’s a pretty nice person overall. That doesn’t mean that she’s not a woman though. She was either making a joke or a statement with what she said. I made sure she understood that I took it as a joke, because that keeps it in the friend zone.

Sorry man—-a scorpion that hasn’t stung you yet is STILL a scorpion. And it will sting you sooner or later it is its nature. Who knows what toxic machinations are going on in her mind while she smiles pleasantly at you. I pray you will not become one of her victims because lets face it she has victims; perhaps not you–yet.

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