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Seems like the middle class are pouring all spare money into investments and leaving themselves little to live on. Im did the same with my mortgage and paid it off. I did it because I didn’t feel the future was seccure and wanted to know there would be a roof over my head.
You can only live for today if you have faith in tomorrow. If you don’t trust the ecconomic outlook then you’re going to try to invest what money you have in something you hope will earn you money, rather than blow it in the Mall.
That is, if you are capable of logical thought and not prone to impulse buying and the need to project an image of wealth funded by debt.
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For most of the last decade I made 35-40k a year, paid for my car, my own condo, paid for college part time as I went, and still managed to have some savings. I’ve met a ridiculous amount of people during that time who made more money and were flat broke and in a lot of cases digging deeper into debt. It simply lead me to the conclusion that anyone should be able to get by comfortably on 40k a year…as a single/childless person if you can’t do that you need to make some lifestyle changes.
The thing is, debt is modern day slavery. If you keep yourself out of debt and all your bills for next month are just what you need for next month…its really not that expensive to live. If you just keep financing your lifestyle and borrowing money for every major purchase you ever make you end up p~~~ing away more and more money on interest.
There is nothing wrong with enjoying your money and owning nice things if you want…but if person A is investing 1000 a month and person B is p~~~ing away 1000 a month on interest because he lives off credit…over the course of a lifetime person A is going to get the last laugh because he will have a s~~~load more money to spend on stuff.
Basically let’s say over 20 years you finance a half million dollars worth of stuff…you’ll end up paying a million for it after factoring in interest. Now let’s say you saved a million over 20 years…you probably only invested 300k and the rest was just compounding working its magic. Its a no brainer to me…I’d rather pay 300k for a million dollars worth of stuff than pay a million for a half million worth of stuff. Of course its not an option of one extreme or the other either, you can save a little spend a little…but in general if you live below your means early on just to get yourself set up you’ll have a lot more money to play with over the course of your lifetime, but most people can’t be bothered because they want stuff and they want it now.
@ Beer,
Couldn’t agree more. I don’t earn a lot of money but I was unemployed for some time and leared to seperate what I wanted from what I needed. When I started earning ok money I ploughed it into paying off the mortgage. I knew that I could be made redundant at any time as it had happened before. Once the mortgage is paid you have pretty much all your salary or at least 3/4 of it as spendable money.
I toyed with the idea of blowing some on a nice car or some other high value item but I just can’t justify it. I could probably survive for about four months with no salary at all now as I just keep saving. I can’t help it. I intend to convert it to Gold coins in the new year. It’s like I can’t relax untill I know I have a good stash of wealth put by for emergencies.
I just don’t trust tomorrow. I guess if I had had a woman around she would have found lots of ways to spend my money but I don’t have that problem.
We had a redundancy scare at work a few months ago. Two people got let go. All the staff were on edge and visibly panicking, (especially the women). I was the only one who didn’t give a s~~~. I was like, Whatever will be will be.
The people who were panicking were the exact same people who constantly make fun of my Old Phone, My Old Car, My Old Bike, My Wallmart clothes.
They don’t make fun of me so much these days.
It's Time to get Wise
i had no debt and bought a home…
then a woman legally forced me in to debt.
for now..
(show me rubbing hands together).
i have a PLAN !!!!Once the mortgage is paid you have pretty much all your salary or at least 3/4 of it as spendable money.
Oh yeah…my monthly budget now is about 1000 dollars a month not including food. I do have a small mortgage at a low rate though…but it only adds about 300 a month to my expenses, most of which is going to principal at this point so I’m not worried about paying it off. 1500 a month is more than enough for me to get by on…you really don’t need a ton of money month to month if you set yourself up right.
It’s like I can’t relax untill I know I have a good stash of wealth put by for emergencies.
I know the feeling man. Once I got a decent stash for emergencies it was just like f~~~ it…might as well just keep stashing the money and go for early retirement. The way I see it is if in a couple years down the road I really want to buy something expensive that is a depreciating asset(like a sports car) and I have a mountain of cash its no big deal, I can buy it, but if I blow all my money now and in a couple years really wish I had a bigger nest egg there is no way to recover compared to had I invested the money earlier.
We had a redundancy scare at work a few months ago. Two people got let go. All the staff were on edge and visibly panicking, (especially the women). I was the only one who didn’t give a s~~~. I was like, Whatever will be will be.
Yup…this is how my job is too. I know it will be there for a few more years at least, but given the industry it is in I’m seriously doubting its going to be there still if I planned on working another 30 years til I’m 60+. The beauty is typically they’ll announce they are shutting down at some point in the future, and people will immediately start job hunting. This leaves them short staffed as they need people while shutting down and some people in my department for some time even while after shut down. Once they end up short staffed because people leave for jobs with more longevity they’ll pay out retention bonuses for those who stay behind. If they do shut down I’ll end up with a couple 200k+ years(ridiculous bank when taking my above budget into account), at which point I can milk unemployment for 6 months.
One of the older guys just asked me last week where I think I’d go work if this place closes, and I just shrugged and said I’d probably just retire. He was completely stunned by my response because most the guys there around my age go into absolute panic mode when they think about that as many of them are stretched thin with debt payments and would be upside down in a month if they couldn’t find another six figure job rather quickly. Even if I was a little short of where I wanted to be to retire, it really wouldn’t even matter that much…I could just go get a 12 dollar an hour job at Home Depot to cover my basic living expenses and just let my investments grow for a few more years. If I ended up with 600k+ at that point, a 10% year is still more than the average income someone makes while working…so a 10% year and a 20k a year job would still leave me in a rather comfortable position.
The people who were panicking were the exact same people who constantly make fun of my Old Phone, My Old Car, My Old Bike, My Wallmart clothes.
They don’t make fun of me so much these days.
Haha beautiful. Gotta love these types of people. I find when they do stuff like make fun of your car, making fun of their car payment generally puts them back in line.
I just don’t see any value in purchasing expensive s~~~ for enjoyment if whatever enjoyment you get out of such purchases is accompanied by having to stress over money.
People can’t understand that you have to live within your means. But there are credit card companies and banks that will take advantage of people’s need for instant gratification. They don’t have the money for a new 600 dollar cell phone, but but but, they waaaaaaant iiiiiiiit!
All of this can be avoided with a little self control. Live within your means, save money for what you really want. Easy as that. Hell, everything gets much more affordable when you don’t have a woman leeching off you.
Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.
They don’t have the money for a new 600 dollar cell phone, but but but, they waaaaaaant iiiiiiiit!
I don’t know of any single men that lives that way but I know plenty of women that do. I still have a flip phone and since I split with my ex my monthly expenses have decreased to a to a tiny fraction of what they used to be. If I don’t need it I don’t buy it, can’t wait to sell my way to big house! Tiny house and big garage are my plans.
Beer:
Also agree 100% with what you posted. That is pretty much what I have done, and it works for any of you who are in the early years or stages of implementing Beer’s ideas.
As Beer so correctly stated, debt (credit) is slavery, for which you pay dearly if you use it foolishly.I don’t know of any single men that lives that way but I know plenty of women that do.
I think I know more guys that do than don’t. The only difference really is that most of the guys I know that live this way realize they’ll probably end up working til they drop dead, where as most of the women are still under the illusion Mr. Moneybags is going to marry them and save them and waste his life slaving away to pay her debts off.
The amount of people I know, both male and female, that have committed to maybe saving 10% a year and buying a property they plan on paying off before retirement and just retiring mortgage free with a decent nest egg in the 60-65 range or actually shooting to retire earlier is definitely tiny compared to the amount of people I know who are simply not on a path to ever retire without some drastic changes or a large inheritance.
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