Concerns of SJWs I am not able to address…

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I guess one can say my being here was, in part, driven by my exposure to SJW (social justice warriors, duh!) and how they got involved with videogames, and Gamergate.  I have seen a bunch, ran into tumblr crusaders, and the demands and concerns they have, that I just can’t address.  So, I figured I would rant here a bit about some, with my biases and so on.  So, here I go:

* I checked my privilege and found it to be nearly non-existent, and really doesn’t do anything for me.  I wish it was on a card I could flash at doors run by patriarchies, and get breaks, but I don’t get them.  Maybe they are invisible privileges I don’t see, but it just isn’t all that.

* I am not able to handle a world with 12+ genders in it.  I was able to handle male, female, and maybe someone born with both body parts, or lacking both who had to sort things out (and preferring people with different body parts or their own sexually).  But, what I am seeing now is there are people born with one body longing for people of another or the same, who then think they are another person in another body (like a man who thinks he is a lesbian who likes women).  And apparently we can’t just call people male or female any longer.  I am thinking we may need to give each person their own bathroom in public places, that is open to all, but can only be used by one person at the time, to handle the explosion of genders. I am sorry, I just can’t handle this.  If things go as far as people thinking they are something other than human beings (like literally thinking they are a furry), I am completely done here.  Maybe I am a bit over the top here, just stay off my lawn :-P.

* Apparently my concerns about income inequality also means I am supposed to take on dozens of other issues also.  I did do Occupy and thought I was supposed to be protesting the Fed’s policies, and what is mucked up, and corruption on Wall Street.  Apparently it morphed into a dozen of other things, and complaints about the word “Occupy” being insensitive to too many people, so it shouldn’t be used.

* I am sorry, for me a game is a game.  I don’t have time to concern about whether a Chess Queen is a role model for women or not.  And, you feeling that all we need is more female lead characters in games, and get guys playing them, will fix everything, I feel is sadly misled.  I know you are concerned about objectification of women in games, but everyone gets objectified in a game. Doctors objectify their patient when performing surgery (that is a reason for an oath they take).  It goes with the territory.  Now, for someone unbalanced, that is another issue, but for myself it isn’t.  I am too busy playing to notice anything.

* I have so many issues in my life I am needing to deal with, I get no help, I just can’t deal with people with internet crusades, and finding KONY. The ice bucket challenge was decent and helped to raise money, but I have no time for slacktivism, and I seriously think you overestimate the amount of power I have to affect things.

* Just because you are a jerk, and you identify with a certain identity strongly, doesn’t mean that everyone hates people who share your identity.  It could be you are just a really annoying person.

* Just because people have issues with corruption in videogame journalism doesn’t mean they hate women.  Just because someone has an issue with something doesn’t mean it involves you.  For crying out loud, stop thinking the entire world revolves around you.  But hey, if you can make a living playing the victim card, feel free to.  Maybe such will clean up the Internet.

* Not every single blasted bit of evil done on the Internet, and the jerks, are gamers, or people into games.  If you thought the SVU episode is what is wrong with people into videogames, you really have a warped view of reality.  May I go on record and say I want to see the game Amazonian Warriors?  I still think you are way off base with your thoughts.

* Your tumblr accounts won’t change the world.  Hey, maybe if you get a big enough following, you can work the speaking circuit, and more power to you.  But really?

* I do like empowered women, who are able to speak for themselves and take care of themselves.  Just because of that, it doesn’t mean I will end up supporting your view on things, and it shouldn’t mean I hate women.  Not all men hate women, even those they would disagree with.

Anyhow, I am sure there are more, but I figured I would vent some here.  I really am not big for getting my personal views on the Internet, but I figured I would air things here.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[RedHeadedStrangerParticipant 204]

Seems to me that you have addressed them all.  Perhaps though, you are looking for alternative responses, so I will tell you about my general method.

It is comprised of 2 main tactics: 1) take the moral high-ground, 2) use the socratic method.

It’s easy to p~~~ them off and win by intellectual humiliation if you engage from a position of moral superiority.  For example, say: “I disagree. And frankly, I am appalled that you would say such a horrible thing.”  This will take the wind out of their sails and put them on the defensive.  Due to the fact that they inhabit the echo-chamber of PC bulls~~~, they will usually ask to what you have taken offense.  This is when you begin questioning their knowledge and their beliefs.  Say something like, “This may be a simple case of miscommunication, what do you mean when you say X?  Because I do not believe X to be a proper response to the situation which you are describing.”  They will elaborate, usually without clarifying, not purposefully of course, and will then ask you to state your position.  This opens up the dialogue, but don’t take the bait.  Continue questioning them by asking them to be more specific, and make it personal.  Say, “I am open to dialogue, and am willing to change my mind if you can convince me of your position, so far though, you haven’t.  Will you please explain to me why I should embrace this situation as problematic, and why your response is appropriate?”  At this point you have taken control of the conversation, maintained the moral high-ground, and simultaneously granted yourself victimhood status.  Most of the time, they are a bit flustered at the challenge, unprepared to deal with it, and eager to get the hell out of Dodge.  They will re-state the same things they have already said, as if you didn’t hear them the first time.  They may even suggest you are an idiot — this is the Scotsman fallacy; don’t fall for it.  Simply continue with, “Perhaps I do not understand, likely do to the fact that I am indeed an idiot, as you suggested.  But I am open to considering your position. Are you open to considering mine?”  Relieved that they now get to play offense, they will usually answer in the affirmative.  Continue with, “If I can show you how and why you are in error, are you as open as am I to reversing your position on this issue?”  If they are recalcitrant and say no to your request, you are done.  Simply end by saying, “If that is the case, you are wasting my time, good day.”  You just won.  If, on the other hand, they are open to your point of view; from atop the moral high-ground, rain arrows of fact and truth down upon them and DESTROY THEM.

 

 

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Let me clarify what I mean by “unable to address”.  This doesn’t mean that their complaints are ones I can’t reasonably address, just that their complaints are ones that are really not possible for myself to address and not end up the worse for it.  In short, they are the endless rabbit hole I will fall down and keep falling, without any help.  They are issues I have with them.  I am sure others people have.  There is no way I can make them happy, and the end result is I am deciding to go my own way here.  The short is that I don’t care if they are p~~~ed off or not at all.  I don’t care.  I care about more reasonable requests and so on, but not what they harp about.  No way I am able to address those, because I don’t care to.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Gamergate is a waste of time just like MRA are a waste of time.  No matter who is battling with the SJW you will lose.  If you don’t believe look at Mercdes Carrea a porn who done practically nothing with the gamergate movement in fact there’s a possiblity made things worse.  Of course the gamergate movement thinks they are winning just like the MRA think they are winning.  The best way to ignore them, it’s simple and effective.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Crazy Canuck wrote:

Gamergate is a waste of time just like MRA are a waste of time. No matter who is battling with the SJW you will lose. If you don’t believe look at Mercdes Carrea a porn who done practically nothing with the gamergate movement in fact there’s a possiblity made things worse. Of course the gamergate movement thinks they are winning just like the MRA think they are winning. The best way to ignore them, it’s simple and effective.

I question the ends of Gamergate, in that they wanted “integrity in videogame journalism” as an end.  Yes, it is valid, but you have a bunch of dependent fanboys who need corporations to give them content, and need a non-agenda driven gatekeeper to tell them what is worth playing in order to to be able to be happy and maintain their identity.

For myself, I do game design, so I have concerns, from a game design perspective, what the heck is going on in the area of games.  My concerns go into other areas where SJW get involved, but goes deeper than that.  It is a revolt against the AAA videogame industry and the bad practices of things.  I have an interest in players (I don’t use gamer because it is too vague of a term) taking control, and not being whiny and needy.  That is a hook I have about changing the game.

 

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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