Classic Movie Review: Heat

[Anonymous 3]

Tonight I revisited an old movie, Heat, with Robert De Niro, Al Pacino, and Val Kilmer.
Also participating in the movie is the “nasty woman” Ashley Judd, and she already looked nasty (even in 1995).

The movie is interesting in a red pill sense. We can start by looking at Neil McCauley (Robert De Niro character) as a MGTOW. All the others had wives, except Neil. Even his house was minimalistic, but with great location.

The following exchange says it all:

(Chris)- When will you get some furniture?
(Neil)- When I get around to it.
(Chris)- Charlene’s gonna leave me.
(Neil)- Why?
(Chris)- Not enough steaks in the freezer.
(Neil)- With everything we’ve been doing?
(Chris)- Vegas and the Super Bowl cleaned me out. When you gonna get an old lady?
(Neil)- When I get around to it. You got something else on the side?
(Chris)- Nothing regular.
(Neil)- She got something else on the side? You sure?
(Chris)- Yeah, I’m sure.
(Neil)- I don’t know what you’re doing. As Jimmy said, “You want to be making moves on the street? Have no attachments. Allow nothing to be in your life…that you can’t walk out on in 30 seconds if you spot the heat around the corner.” Remember that?
(Chris)- For me, the sun rises and sets with her, man.

Famous last words….

Now, for good red pills you have to look at the exchange between Chris and Charlene, in the fight mentioned above.

Chris throws money from the robbery to his wife:
(Charlene)-Where’s the rest?
(Chris)-We’re late. You look too good to go out. I’ll just jump you right here.
(Charlene)-Where is it?
(Chris)-Squared the bookies, baby. There’s more in a couple of days, so don’t sweat it. We’re late.
(Charlene)-Come on.You gotta be kidding me.
(Chris)-Honey…
(Charlene)-…it ain’t worth the risks you take for $8,000. Like in “Risk versus reward.”
(Chris)-Let’s go. Get your coat.
(Charlene)-There is no point talking. You’re a child growing older.
(Chris)-What does that mean?
(Charlene)-We’re not making forward progress like real grown-up adults living our lives… because I married a gambling junkie.
(Chris)-Get in the f~~~ing car.
(Charlene)-What am I doing in here? You’re not!
(Chris)- You want me to leave the bank book and the car keys…in the kitchen on the way out the door? Are we going?
(Charlene)-Keep that crap. Dominick comes with me.
(Chris)-Don’t even think about…

Now let us see this: a guy risks his life in armed robbery and his wife gets mad at him because they are not “making progress”, translated into: he is wasting to much money.
Then goes to call him a child. Yes, the worst kind of criminal is but a child to his wife.
He had an gambling addiction… That is his fault, never-mind that she is married to a murdering thief.
Obviously she is leaving and taking the kid with her.

Next we have the cop Vincent Hanna (Al Pacino) and his wife Justine, with great red pills throughout the whole movie.

Because Vincent arrives late from work:

(Justine)-Every time I try to maintain a consistent mood between us…you withdraw.
(Vincent)-I got three dead bodies on a sidewalk…off Venice Boulevard, Justine. I’m sorry…if the goddamn…chicken…got overcooked.

As Vincent is called in the middle of a dinner, and he returns to find the wife alone waiting for him:

(Vincent)-I told you when we hooked up…that you were gonna have to share me…with all the bad people and all the ugly events on this planet.
(Justine)-And I bought into that sharing…because I love you. I love you fat, bald, money, no money, driving a bus. I don’t care. But you have got to be present like a normal guy. That’s sharing. This is not sharing, this is leftovers.

Then the constant pseudo-intellectual bulls~~~ she constantly says:
(Justine)-You don’t live with me. You live among the remains of dead people. You sift through the detritus. You read the terrain. You search for signs of passing…for the scent of your prey…and then you hunt them down. That’s the only thing you’re committed to. The rest is the mess you leave as you pass through. What I don’t understand is why I can’t cut loose of you.

Finally she is able to cut him loose by getting “Ralph” to f~~~ her. Then they have this hilarious scene when Vincent walks home to find “Ralph”:

(Justine)-Don’t you even get angry?
(Vincent)-I’m angry.I’m very angry, Ralph. You can ball my wife if she wants you to. You can lounge around here on her sofa. In her ex-husband’s…dead-tech, post-modernistic, bulls~~~ house…if you want to. But you do not get to watch…my f~~~ing…television set!
(Justine)-For God’s sake. Put the television set down.
(Vincent)-I never cheated on you, bitch.
(Justine)-Maybe you should have.
(Vincent)-I should have?
(Justine)-You’re a party to this.
(Vincent)-I made Ralph f~~~ you because it makes me feel good.
(Justine)- Why is it that I have to figure things out and explain them to you?
(Vincent)-I say what I mean, and I do what I say.
(Justine)-How admirable.
(Vincent)-You bet.
(Justine)-I may be stoned on grass and Prozac but…you walk through our life dead.Now I have to demean myself with Ralph just to get closure with you.

In the middle of all this we have a daughter that tries to commit suicide, allegedly because the “asshole” father never shows up. But we notice that the mother doesn’t give her much attention, to the point were she prefers the step-father. It is when they split that the girl attempts to kill herself.

Good movie, from the time they still made them…

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

I love this movie! I love the downtown L.A. bank robbery and shootout. I like the idea of someone robbing a bank and getting away with it. Of course, I wouldn’t want to witness something like this in real life. I’m just entertained about the idea of a group of guys being bold enough to steal a bunch of money and have an all out war with the police in order to keep it.

Charlene: if she decides to get married to a criminal, what does she expect? A suit & tie & a corporate pension?

Justine: what a f~~~ing bitch. Her husband is out saving the world and all she cares about is her feelings. She can’t give him any kind words of encouragement after a long, horrible day at work.

Neil: A guy who didn’t take his own advice about relationships with women. He got seriously involved with a bookstore lady (who could somehow afford to rent a house over the Sunset Strip) and took her to the scene of the crime. I don’t understand the ending: he was rich. He could’ve hired a hitman to take care of Waynegro. He should’ve went to the airport immediately after the robbery and left everything behind. But he had to get his revenge.

Another thing I don’t understand about the movie: why did they ever hire Waynegro? They carefully plan each robbery. They formed a team and trusted each other. So why did they get some random dude to join them at the last minute w/o screening him? These guys are pros, but they make too many mistakes. They should’ve moved to another city as soon as “the heat” was on them. Besides that, Neil had enough money to invest in legitimate businesses so he wouldn’t have to steal anymore. Risk vs. reward, baby.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[Anonymous 0]

One of my all time favorites, but I didn’t seen it since i’m red pilled.
Thanks for bringing it back to memory. Your right it got a lot good red pill moments in it

[NerevarParticipant 8040]

I’m glad someone else likes this movie. Whenever I had friends over for movie night, they’d always say no to this one. They said it was boring, stupid, too long, too predictable. I f~~~ing LOVED watching it.

"One of the best things internet exposed is just how insane women are." - Freeman_K

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Heat was one of the slowest most boring and tedious films I have ever had the misfortune to sit through.

The plot was s~~~ and most of it was all “atmospheric” crap done badly.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Heat – one of my all time favorites!

Owned it for over a decade.

Watched it countless times.

Never gets old – fantastic dialogue.

It’s so over-looked, as well.

Perfect example of a chick hitting the wall, as well. Ashley Judd is such a spring chicken in this film. Now she’s a grandma complaining about men complimenting her dress in an airport because no one pays attention to her anymore.

I had high hopes for Michael Mann’s Bonnie and Clyde w/Johnny Depp, because of Heat. Was pretty disappointed.

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

It’sallbs wrote:

Heat was one of the slowest most boring and tedious films I have ever had teh misfortune to sit through.

Ya, God forbid a film have actual good acting and dialogue. =/

Here ya go:

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Anonymous wrote:

Ashley Judd, and she already looked nasty (even in 1995).

Really?

I thought she was hot as f~~~ in this film.

Resident cynic.

[Anonymous 3]

FunInTheSun wrote:

He could’ve hired a hitman to take care of Waynegro. He should’ve went to the airport immediately after the robbery and left everything behind. But he had to get his revenge.

I see this part of the movie as the most significant, even in a red pill view.

He was caught because he failed his own code. He could not let go. Yet he had an “attachment” to revenge, not to mention the girl.

He Mets the girl in a pure red pill way. It is only after the dinner, where he noticed that everyone had a family, that he decided to become serious with her.
In other words, he failed his red pill instinct and got blue pill envy.

Waingro is the central piece to the “moral” of this story. It is revealed that he is a serial killer that has been murdering hookers for some time. He is even in Vincent nightmares.

Yet Waingro is not the police main priority. The robbers are. Little do they know that the same man caused the murders that triggered Vincent investigation…

Now, its amazing to look at the amount of money are resources poured at the bank robbers investigation. The murderer, nothing…

In fact its interesting in the end that the police is watching Waingro as a decoy to catch Vincent. He is actually being “protect” by the police, while Vincent is the one that will bring justice to this movie.

But for that, he dies.

If this is not a parable of this society, I dont know what is. The law is looking for some bad guy, true, but overlooked the worst. In the end true justice is not made by society but by a man. And for that, he pays the ultimate price.

FunInTheSun wrote:

I love the downtown L.A. bank robbery and shootout.

Yes, that is for me one of the greatest action scenes of all times. I have seen this movie many times, just because of this scene.

What I like about it is not only the action, but that a few guys are able to face the system.

Morally is not right. I know that this was based in a true even, that cost the lives of good men from the police forces. Yet I think this institution is used to bully people with their force monopoly. I love the idea that common man can challenge this notion.

We can see the shock in their faces. It is not only what happens, it is the pillars of their societal beliefs that are shaken: that men can face them without fear.

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Ya, God forbid a film have actual good acting and dialogue.

The plot was terrible.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[KageParticipant 190]

Always enjoyed this movie.

[Anonymous 3]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Clu wrote:

Ashley Judd, and she already looked nasty (even in 1995).

Really?

I thought she was hot as f~~~ in this film.

Yea?

I think some of the lighting revealed the worst in her, even physically. No amount of makeup could hide her unhealthy skin here:

Besides, we might think some of her bitch faces were acting, until she reveals herself here:

No, she was not acting, she was always a BITCH.

I know, the red pill x-ray vision ruins the images of many hot girls… To reaveal the s~~~ they have inside.

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Boring 2 dimentional characters a boring worn out plot and a dialogue a 7 year old could have written.

One of the worst “claimed to be great” films of all time.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[Colin Combover in a ComaParticipant 5066]

It’sallbs wrote:

Boring 2 dimentional characters a boring worn out plot and a dialogue a 7 year old could have written.

One of the worst “claimed to be great” films of all time.

[Colin Combover in a ComaParticipant 5066]

Colin Combover in a Coma wrote:

It’sallbs wrote:

Boring 2 dimentional characters a boring worn out plot and a dialogue a 7 year old could have written.

One of the worst “claimed to be great” films of all time.

Colin Combover in a Coma wrote:

It’sallbs wrote:

Boring 2 dimentional characters a boring worn out plot and a dialogue a 7 year old could have written.

One of the worst “claimed to be great” films of all time.

Watch Tyrannosaur, Paddy Considine’s debut directing film. The Liverpool gangster film the Crew is good, as is AWAYDAYS(starring Stephen Graham). British films are grittier and more real.

[It’sallbsParticipant]

Colin Combover in a Coma wrote:

British films are grittier and more real.

Yes they are.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Anonymous wrote:

Yea?

We all have different preferences, I get it.

Anonymous wrote:

No amount of makeup could hide her unhealthy skin here:

I always thought that look was intentional for that scene. This is the scene where she knows she’s going to leave Val Kilmer, end up a single mother, and her baby is literally crying in the back ground.

They could have easily made her look as spring chicken as the other scenes, but I think it was by design to highlight the situation.

Anonymous wrote:

No, she was not acting, she was always a BITCH.

Oh, I’m sure she was always a bitch. But, they tend to get even bitchier once they hit the wall and no longer command the attention of every man in the room.

She looks like a grandma now. But, this is 25+ years (?) after Heat. She definitely did NOT age well.

Resident cynic.

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