Career Paths: Separation or Reenlistment?

[Anonymous 0]

Okay guys, here’s the deal:

I’ve been in the Navy 6 years and I still have a year and some change left before I process out. The way I see it, I have two options. I can stay in, commission as a medical officer, or I can get out, find work in the field I’m studying for (anesthesiology), and make loads more without the extra military bulls~~~ that comes with the job normally. What’s stopping me is the unknowns i.e. the cash flow, the amount of money I will have by the time I leave, and how close I will be to my degree. But with the direction the military has gone in since I took the oath of enlistment, I fear for what little individuality I already have and the more I delve into the philosophy of going my own way, the harder it is to adapt to what the military wants out of me. Plus, there have been people in my chain of command both above and below me who have on a few occassions, would raise the question of my relationship status after returning to work from leave. For the veterans on this site that have been there and done that, please let me know your thoughts and impart some wisdom if you would as this is not an easy decision to make. I’m at a very critical point in my life and I want to make the right moves in order to live the best kind of life I can for myself.

[The Batman 2020Participant 2112]

If you reenlist you might as well stay in for 20, are you up for that? If I were you I’d just let my time run out.. Lots of medical jobs in the civilian world.

Your 20's are for learning, your 30's are for earning.

[Anonymous 14]

I could never serve in a Military that has been doing what the U.S. has been doing the last 15 years so you know what my recommendation would be. And if your goal is to live for yourself putting your life in some bloodthirsty organization’s hands in which you are completely disposable to is not the way to do it as the only thing that you are more disposable to than a woman is the Military.

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

Anonymous wrote:

But with the direction the military has gone in since I took the oath of enlistment, I fear for what little individuality I already have and the more I delve into the philosophy of going my own way,

I was in the Army for over 20 years. I was in a cold-war, peace-time army that transitioned to a war-time army. The culture rapidly changed from starched fatigues to “just get the f~~~ing job done”. I still have soldiers that I know that are still in. The petty bulls~~~ is beginning to pick up steam and bean counting is the rule of the day.

Get out before it gets worse. I joined because I had no where else to go and I got out because I became old and broke. Get your degree. Avoid women. Don’t get some dumb t~~~ pregnant. Make money, and continue to not get some dumb t~~~ pregnant.

Your earning potential as an anesthesiologist is far higher that staying in the navy for another 4 years.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[bstoffParticipant 4863]

–What Soldier-medic said. Women in the military, as you probably already know, are dangerous to men with careers, especially in the medical field.
Get out while you can and make some anesthesiologist money. Keep it all for yourself.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

In the civilian world, anesthesiologists do make money, and don’t have to deal with a lot of bulls~~~ from patients – at least that’s how it used to be. I don’t know how it is now.

I do know the entire medical industry is f~~~ed up. Totally run by women now. You’ll be surrounded by over-indulgent chip-on-their-shoulder bitches who think they run the place.

I think every industry is like this though.

I don’t know anything about medicine in the navy.

[AutoliteParticipant]

The Batman 2020 wrote:

If you reenlist you might as well stay in for 20, are you up for that?

When you’re in, the grass always looks greener on the outside. It never is though, but you don’t realize that until you’re out.

If you’ve only got 14 more years to go on reenlistment then I say stay in and do your time. It will go faster than you think. OTOH, if you did get out, would they let you back in if you realized that you made a mistake?

In the Canadian military, we have (or had) a five year window to get back in if you got out and changed your mind. That’s five years without having to go through basic training again. I know a few guys who got out and then turned around and got right back in again. One guy did it after being out for EIGHT YEARS.

If possible, perhaps try and talk to somebody (preferably in your field) who got out and then got back in again…

[Modern Day WarriorParticipant 499]

It’s a tough call for sure. I’m retired Navy, and retiring at a young age certainly is nice. (Though it’s not like I could stop working.) On the other hand, you do earn it. Then there’s education and other benefits to factor in. However, making more as a civilian could offset that easily, and you wouldn’t have to deal with deployments. If you were over 10 I’d probably say stick it out, but with 6 I’d probably bail, given your opportunities in the private sector. Either way, thank you for your service.

"One must put up barriers to keep oneself intact." - Neil Peart

[OldBillParticipant]

Have you thought about the National Guard or Navy Reserves? The Guard alone has over a dozen Combat Support Hospitals and smaller medical units nationwide.

I did six years active in the Navy as a reactor operator and then 20+ in the National Guard first as a forward observer and then in a few other specialties.

You can even get commissioned in the Guard after you complete your course of study.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

I can get out, find work in the field I’m studying for (anesthesiology), and make loads more without the extra military bulls~~~ that comes with the job normally.

And don’t think that you’ll be escaping “bulls~~~” when you get out. That was my first realization when I left the Forces. It’s just a different brand of bulls~~~ on the outside but it’s still bulls~~~.

The other misconception I had was that I’d be working for smarter and better bosses in the civilian world. I found out immediately that that wasn’t the case. The grass isn’t any greener. Those who say it is are full of s~~~…

[RumpoleParticipant 994]

Is it possible that you could enroll in the Uniformed Health Services University and have the government provide you education? Of course, you will be required to serve a pay-back tour as a medical officer. Perhaps you will have a choice of branch, perhaps even the Public Health Service. I believe your time in school would also count towards your pension.

[Anonymous 0]

I have looked into USUHS here and there, but i haven’t gotten the full details outside of needing my pre-med bachelor’s done first, which is obviously a given, as well as the HPSP. I’ve considered these things, and the thought of not having student loan debt like my mother did and a lot of doctors commonly do is quite appealing. But that’s part of what makes this difficult, and I really don’t doubt the other side being just as green or less….as i said, this isn’t an easy decision, and I have a little over a year to consider all the facts. The times that I did reenlist beforehand, I was broke and had little education to my name. Now, I’m in a position to where I can get my degree, and that’s the card I’ve been waiting on in terms of when I play my next hand, if you catch my drift. Otherwise, I do appreciate the advice from every one of you so far. There’s good and bad to this gig, but only so many people come out with that golden ticket of a ‘nice retirement’, even less now due to the politics that surround the military. But I digress.

[PuniShredderParticipant 2268]

OMG man, do your time and GET OUT!!!! My buddy is an Anesthesiologist and makes well over a million a year! Owns a practice and now travels the world 1/2 the year!

My nephew just started Vanderbilt Medical School on the same tract. I’m sure you could get the Military to pay for your school, do your time then get out into the civilian medical field. Maybe even stay in reserves if you want.

Be professional be polite but always have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

[TravisParticipant 84]

I got out after 4 years but if I had stayed in, I would have retired with 20 years a few months ago. If I could do it all again, I would have stayed in because the last 16 years have absolutely flown by. Also, there’s a lot of bulls~~~ in the military, but there’s a lot of bulls~~~ in the civilian world also. Good luck.

Best advice my dad gave me, "Don't get married. Don't have kids."

[MonkParticipant 16988]

Anonymous wrote:

… there have been people in my chain of command both above and below me who have on a few occassions, would raise the question of my relationship status after returning to work from leave.

What was said?

[Anonymous 0]

Monk,

My Leading Petty Officer (LPO) noticed that I had lost some weight and bulked up and asked me if I found a girlfriend yet. A co-worker of mine then proceeded to follow up with a comment of ‘you oughta find you a girl, man!’ and all I could do was look up in a slight annoyance. They don’t give me too much s~~~ for it, but when I first checked in, my department head has asked me why I wasn’t married at my age after I told him I was 25. I explained to him that I was focusing on myself and that he could respect that. There’s only a few men in the military that I have told of MGTOW, but these are men that have already either have been burned in relationships like myself, or were single and have shown little desire to find women due to their recent experience(s). I don’t push the philosophy on them, I just plant the seed with an introductory video. What they do from there is up to them as individuality is one of the foundations that MGTOW rests upon. One thing that I have noticed, too, and has also been explained to me here in a previous thread I have created, is that women pursue you much harder in the military because of the fact that your uniform screams disposable utility whether or not that is the intention of the individual.

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