Capitalism Vs. Socialism

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

http://thefederalist.com/2017/11/01/study-nearly-half-millennials-prefer-socialism-capitalism/#disqus_thread

The majority of millennials prefer socialism to capitalism! (So says this study)

This is truly alarming. 20 years ago I taught an introductory university course on Philosophy. One of the modules was Political Philosophy and at the time the classes I taught (several classes of 100+ students) were in almost universal agreement that communism and socialism were evil.

No matter how hard I played devil’s advocate, no matter what arguments I advanced in the attempt to simply put communism in a good light, the students universally condemned it.

20 years of liberal indoctrination have changed the minds of our youth.

[Anonymous 6]

Old people like socialism too, they just don’t know the word for it. They like that the government wants to give out handouts. Here’s a sad fact, immigrants who come to this country are required to read the Constitution in order to pass a citizenship test. Most American citizens have never even looked at the Constitution and don’t know what is in it. So they really believe the lie that the government is supposed to do everything for them and give them handouts.

Nope, going to the government for help is supposed to be a very last resort. We are so far away from what the founders wanted and what the framework of that document meant. People are too dependent now, and it would be difficult to just throw everybody off. You can kick off the people who abuse it, and those who are able to work but don’t. But there are those who have legitimate claims.

In any event, our education system is the reason for this s~~~. What you don’t know, you can’t defend yourself from. Nobody has ever tried to run away from a Capitalist country, but they always run away from Socialist and Communist countries. I wonder why that is……

[ghostParticipant]

F~~~ socialism.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Old people like socialism too, they just don’t know the word for it. They like that the government wants to give out handouts. Here’s a sad fact, immigrants who come to this country are required to read the Constitution in order to pass a citizenship test. Most American citizens have never even looked at the Constitution and don’t know what is in it. So they really believe the lie that the government is supposed to do everything for them and give them handouts.

Nope, going to the government for help is supposed to be a very last resort. We are so far away from what the founders wanted and what the framework of that document meant. People are too dependent now, and it would be difficult to just throw everybody off. You can kick off the people who abuse it, and those who are able to work but don’t. But there are those who have legitimate claims.

In any event, our education system is the reason for this s~~~. What you don’t know, you can’t defend yourself from. Nobody has ever tried to run away from a Capitalist country, but they always run away from Socialist and Communist countries. I wonder why that is……

Everybody hates socialism until they’re the beneficiary of it. Then they never want to give it up.

[CrankgankerParticipant 466]

As a millennial myself I can say that socialism was an idea that I supported at one time as well. Socialism sounds great on paper, especially when we see how corrupt our local government is due to corporate corruption, however many people lack the foresight to see how negative an impact socialism would have on our overall standard of living.

Capitalism is great on paper but flawed in practice as well. The idea behind capitalism is that it gives people a reason for creating bigger and better product as to compete with a free market in where the people decide what product is superior based on what they buy.

However this makes it so companies only care about the bottom line which is profits meaning they will use whatever means necessary to make the most profit despite the morality of it and then worse when the government gets involved and then enforce extortion like when the DMV denies you your right to drive if you don’t pay a private company for a service that you don’t actually need.

What I don’t understand is why is only one or the other? How come we haven’t come up with a new form of government to adhere to our modernized society? This is how I understand it anyways feel free to correct me.

You want to make me angry? I will take a bite out of that anger and shit out success.

[VirgilParticipant 970]

I’m a millennial, but I like capitalism.

Socialism loses it for me when they take from the people and give to the parasites. It basically punishes the people who do, who thought that was a great idea. All that leads to is stagnation and collapse.

I will say our current system doesn’t seem like a true capitalism system. If the government has to put incentives to get research toward more efficient vehicles, it isn’t consumer driven. Really it should be driven purely by the consumer and a companies desire to better a product to get more consumers. Try arguing that fact to a typical millennial and they don’t get it.

Course it’s always great when you ask a young person about it and they are fine with socialism as long was someone else is footing the bill, soon as they have to pay for someone else’s benefits they don’t like it. The irony is lost on them.

My main complaint about the current system is I’m paying into social security and Medicare but by the time I get old enough to retire both of those programs will be bankrupt so I’ll have paid into a program I will never benefit from. Only way to retire for my generation is to save and not count of federal assistance when you’re older.

The safety net needs to be pulled back in and people have to be left to sink or swim on their own. The relaince on the government is astonishing. And beneficiaries see no problem with it.

Hope that someday I may lead others the path I have learned. As Virgil led Dante through Hell.

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

We kind of a compromised system in Canada. Its pretty capitalistic but there are socialised things like health care. Maybe its just because I am Canadian but I like our system.

[RafaelParticipant 115]

Neither of these two are good in long terms. Both destructive in many ways.

When I was younger I used to say I did love capitalism. After all the things I learned about these subjects, not anymore.

Don't look back, you're not going that way.

[CJParticipant 44]

Doesn’t help that a lot of millennials are affiliating Capitalism with Corporatism. America hasn’t been truly Capitalist since 1913, we’re some sort of Capitalist/Socialist hybrid. But because our government is run by a Corporate Oligarchy spearheaded by shadowmen, obviously Capitalism and Democracy (Republic) are evil and even more obviously countries like Venezuela and North Korea are truly the pioneers of modern government systems that work.

I mourn for this country.

[SkelatorParticipant 1261]

America has been a free market socialist hybrid country for a long time. Military, social security, Medicaid, Medicare etc all paid for with taxes. You just have to know how to play the system to get rich. I really don’t understand why this term is thrown around as an insult to the Democrats. Both parties have fully bought into this scheme. They are all a bunch of schemers.

Don’t trust any of them.

[SkelatorParticipant 1261]

Zarathustra wrote:

http://thefederalist.com/2017/11/01/study-nearly-half-millennials-prefer-socialism-capitalism/#disqus_thread

The majority of millennials prefer socialism to capitalism! (So says this study)

This is truly alarming. 20 years ago I taught an introductory university course on Philosophy. One of the modules was Political Philosophy and at the time the classes I taught (several classes of 100+ students) were in almost universal agreement that communism and socialism were evil.

No matter how hard I played devil’s advocate, no matter what arguments I advanced in the attempt to simply put communism in a good light, the students universally condemned it.

20 years of liberal indoctrination have changed the minds of our youth.

There is a very simple answer as to why the universal hatred of communism/socialism existed then. Indoctrination of the cold war era. Is this newfound acceptance of socialism really a result of 20 years of liberal indoctrination? Or is it a response to a system that is clearly in a downturn? Discussing socialism as an option to our current capitalist trickle down scheme is not a condemnation of capitalism.

Baby boomers have suckled the great teet of capitalism until the milk turned sour for their offspring. Buying into the simp life of cars, houses lavishly furnished houses and trophy wives. Keeping up with the Jones’ if you will. Now they fully except the perks of socialism as they age and can no longer afford to pay. Perhaps some MGTOW are sick of this system and are willing to discuss other options of governing bodies or economic systems.

To me unkempt capitalism is what drives this rampant consumerism and female behavior of entitlement. I am in no way saying that I support communism as opposed to democracy. I do however leave it up to discussion without the need to condemn any group for mere thought.

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

Skelator wrote:

Zarathustra wrote:

http://thefederalist.com/2017/11/01/study-nearly-half-millennials-prefer-socialism-capitalism/#disqus_thread

The majority of millennials prefer socialism to capitalism! (So says this study)

This is truly alarming. 20 years ago I taught an introductory university course on Philosophy. One of the modules was Political Philosophy and at the time the classes I taught (several classes of 100+ students) were in almost universal agreement that communism and socialism were evil.

No matter how hard I played devil’s advocate, no matter what arguments I advanced in the attempt to simply put communism in a good light, the students universally condemned it.

20 years of liberal indoctrination have changed the minds of our youth.

There is a very simple answer as to why the universal hatred of communism/socialism existed then. Indoctrination of the cold war era. Is this newfound acceptance of socialism really a result of 20 years of liberal indoctrination? Or is it a response to a system that is clearly in a downturn? Discussing socialism as an option to our current capitalist trickle down scheme is not a condemnation of capitalism.

Baby boomers have suckled the great teet of capitalism until the milk turned sour for their offspring. Buying into the simp life of cars, houses lavishly furnished houses and trophy wives. Keeping up with the Jones’ if you will. Now they fully except the perks of socialism as they age and can no longer afford to pay. Perhaps some MGTOW are sick of this system and are willing to discuss other options of governing bodies or economic systems.

To me unkempt capitalism is what drives this rampant consumerism and female behavior of entitlement. I am in no way saying that I support communism as opposed to democracy. I do however leave it up to discussion without the need to condemn any group for mere thought.

Great post! A very well nuanced response to a complicated issue. I think its both dissatisfaction with capitalism and liberal indoctrination.

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