CA Alimony Reform Petition SIGN or NOT?

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    Angel.est79
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    Gentlemen,

    In CA an initiative has began signature collection to reform alimony laws in CA. It will abolish alimony, get rid of alimony unless courts decide 1 year for marriages less than 10 years and up to 5 years alimony reducing annually 20% for marriages greater than 10 years. Also will treat current alimony awards as greater than 5 years alimony reducing annually 20% etc etc.

    I am interested in finding out how many men in CA, would sign a petition (go to an ongoing petition site), would not sign (too busy etc etc). I would like to know specifically from Californians to respond but not limited to Californians, just please mention your state, If California passes this law, it will trickle throughout the USA.

    Please see the following link if you interested in abolishing alimony specifically in California (I believe it will spread through out the US, similar to the support I give to Florida by donating to the cause)

    calalimonyreform.org

    #57523
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    A banana
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    i doubt most men here care if alimony gets removed

    we reject the idea of marriage completely, not just because of the laws but the entire institution.

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    Snake
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    I have no interest in donating to any cause other than my own.

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    Anonymous
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    I am not from CA so if someone could correct me on this one I would appreciate, but I think the only reason they are trying to get alimony removed on California is because WOMEN are starting to be the ones having to pay for it. I heard that this was the case in one of the states of US, so I am guessing it is California.

    If that is case, I would not sign.

    However, it is like Bolvar said:

    i doubt most men here care if alimony gets removed we reject the idea of marriage completely, not just because of the laws but the entire institution

    Either way, let women reap the fruits of their “labor”.  🙂

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    Anonymous
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    It posted double…

    #57538
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    Snake
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    Yeah that’s what I was saying in another thread. Now that women are controlling more wealth, they want to have the ability to marry for status and divorce the man when they are done using him and not pay s~~~. There are lots of wealthy women in California with stay at home men. If a man marries a wealthy woman for money and then divorces her for assets, more power to him, idgaf. The answer is not in activism, the answer is to look within yourself and stop being a dumbass.

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    ILiveAgain
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    I’m all for equality … phnarr phnarr  … so the wo-men should pay alimony.

    Hopefully those stay at home dads will also get the kids … house … car.

    The rabbit hole is a wondrous place ☺

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    Angel.est79
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    BADKAN you are partially correct that this issue has gotten notice due to working women in California paying men, there on the news crying, bitching etc etc. however the initiative has been initiated by Steve Clark in Huntington Beach CA after he paid ~$100k in divorce litigation. Today ~90% of the payor’s of alimony are men, with all the equal rights support, I am supporting this initiative to eliminate alimony period. I don’t really care who makes more or less, your an adult and can take care of yourself alimony is a court ordered obligation and this initiative removes the courts discretion from your household. But I completely understand not getting married is the way to go, it is a contract that favors women, I will never marry again!

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    Narwhal
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    I would sign the petition if I was in CA.  I pay no alimony here in TX.  Alimony implies that one of the divorcées can’t take care of themselves financially, and since we are all equal, that makes no sense.  I understand the ‘payback’ interest in keeping alimony in place, but it’s still ill begotten gains as I see it.

    I also see it as a step in the right direction.  The next steep would be changing the rules regarding splitting assets.  50/50 makes no sense when the assets were not equally earned.  I have no personal stake in the game, but I have kids who may want to get married one day.  I’d like to protect them from potential theft (or from being government sponsored thief).

    Ok. Then do it.

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    RoyDal
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    I too would sign it, not that I’d consider marriage to a California woman even at my most deranged.

    Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

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    Poke
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    I’m from California and will sign the petition.

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    RedHeadedStranger
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    Only if I can sign in blood.

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    Crazy Canuck
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    To sign the petition you also need to be register to vote, otherwise your signature won’t count. Apparently you can do it online. http://registertovote.ca.gov

    "If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

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    Avillax
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    Most men simply don’t have an idea, here in MGTOW we shouldn’t blame them for marrying, I think signing the petition would be a good step towards ending the Self-Entitlement. Here’s the story at the California alimony site:

    My Divorce Story.
    Entering the world of marriage as a young man for the first time I had no grasp of the terms I would be legally bound to. My marriage lasted nearly 25 years.  Having never experienced divorce before I never knew just how drawn out and costly this process could be.  Below is a summary of my divorce journey:
    Phase 1 – Taking Responsibility for my Happiness
    At certain periods during my life I will often do what I call a “happiness checkpoint”.  This checkpoint could pertain to where I’m living, my employer or even my marriage.
    Born and raised in the state of Connecticut, at age 28 I decided to move to California where I knew the weather would be much more conducive to my happiness.  While many people grin and bear the cold weather I decided to take a leap and make the change.
    My same philosophy applies to marriage.  Over the years my wife was becoming more controlling in our relationship and I was increasingly becoming more unhappy so change was due.
    Phase 2 – Do it Yourself Divorce
    Once we both came to the realization that we would both be happier going our own separate ways I wanted to take the most cost effective approach by filing all the required documents with the court.  I mentioned to my wife about filing our own documents and splitting our assets in half.  However, my wife mentioned “What about alimony?”  I responded, “With you making good money as a dental hygienist why do you feel you need alimony?”  She replied “because I gave you 24 years of my life!”  And I didn’t give her 24 years of my life?
    Knowing that the alimony would be the single point of contention in our divorce we decided to head down the mediation path.  She too also knew every dollar wasted in the courts would only have the net effect of leaving us with less in the end for our teenage daughter, our only child.
    Phase 3 – Mediation
    My wife found two female mediators (working as partners) from discussions with friends and patients.  So I decided to give the mediation approach a try.  After nearly a year of going to mediation and spending thousands of dollars, the mediation group decided to resign from our case just before closure and after an independent legal review determined the settlement was very biased in my wife’s favor.  The mediators also did an all-around poor job of managing expectations.  As a result, we both knew we would have to “lawyer up” all because of “alimony” and her insistence for it.
    Phase 4 – Attorney Number 1
    After getting a referral from a friend I retained my first attorney.  After going to her for a year and going through the painful discovery process all over again we had our first trial date.  During the trail the judge started questioning income statements and determined my attorney was not properly prepared so he kicked us out of court and told us to return when she was prepared.  Keep in mind, my attorney had all the documents she needed from me with months to prepare.  Plain and simple she just was not prepared costing me thousands of dollars for her time in court.  In addition, my day was also wasted.  With my growing frustration with this attorney I asked her to estimate how much more money I would need to spend with her to close out my divorce case.  She replied $12,000 and that’s when I decided to find another attorney.
    Phase 5 – Attorney Number 2
    Attorney Number 2 also came as a referral from a friend who had recently used this attorney with good results.  Before I decided to retain this attorney I did the smart thing and asked him for an estimate.  After giving him all the information Attorney Number 2 said my cost would be anywhere from $4000-$5000.  After the final trail date I received an invoice for nearly $10,000 with NOTHING out of scope from the original estimate.
    Phase 6 – The Judgment
    On the last day of trial we waited several hours in the courtroom before our case was heard.  All the while both attorneys had their very expensive money meters running.  Hours of time were spent in court testifying about things like how often we went out to dinner and where we went on our vacations most of which could not be proven.  Sitting there in the witness box while answering these questions I was thinking in the back of my head just how absurd this whole process is.
    The judge was also presented with a printout from the California Employment Development Department showing that in the state of California the median income for a dental hygienist is approximately $100,000 per year.  The judge dismissed this evidence as lacking foundation and ultimately said he could only accept this type of evidence from an expert witness.
    In the end, the judge ordered that since my daughter’s child support was coming to an end (because she was turning 18 that month) that my permanent spousal support (alimony) payment be increased from $800 to $1000 per month for the rest of her life or until she remarries.
    Why???
    #62179
    Angel.est79
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    absolutely, tell your CA friends about this initiative we need to end family courts biased awards

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