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Mana Knight 4 years, 6 months ago.
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So, the typical “Blue pill” thinking is that almost everyone pairs off, and that there is someone for everyone, and men and women are supposed to match up, and find someone on their level (yes, you will respond hypergamy here, but bear with me a second). This mentality doesn’t account for another reality a MGTOW can bring to the table. If (bear with me, I know you want to say AWALT, but hang on a second) the amount of women who are presentable and decent enough for relationships decreases (in short, they should stay single, because they bring grief), then that means that more and more men aren’t going to find women that are presentable enough to get involved with. And the end result here is MGTOW is the only sane option for men. And for women who end up saying “but men suck also”, so what? That means that those men shouldn’t be in relationships either.
The idea of every man and woman pairing off is pure unadulterated bluepill bull, and it is time to move past it. I have no freakin’ idea how many acceptable women are out there, nor do I care. What I do know is increasingly finding less and less women I would be interested in, if I were to strip away simple physical attraction as a measure. No, I don’t need a woman, just to have a woman. Blue pill men need this, but not me. Settling is for losers.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Agreed.
Let’s say that there an equal amount of men and women in the world.
The men. Some aren’t worth interacting with and would make atrocious mates, let alone human beings. Number unknown.
The women. Some aren’t worth interacting with and would make atrocious mates, let alone human beings. Number unknown.
Even if you paired all of the decent women with a man, good or bad, then that means all of the good ones are taken and good men that are left, have only the dregs to choose from. The only answer? MGTOW.
The only problem is, what is the definition of a presentable (good?) woman?
Do they actually exist?
Also, is there a Loch Ness monster, Yeti, Unicorn, Pegasus, cyclops, or mithril?
"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.
Right, that’s why I personally believe in mgtow. It’s even more compelling if you care about children, because the bad women create hellish environments for children that scar them for life. When toxic people are together just for the sake of being together, everybody loses. If good women do exist, it’s better to let them pair with the remaining willing men and thus force the bad women into isolation where they cannot hurt anyone (unless they become single mothers). A criticizer may ask, what if good women end up alone? But a truly good woman is very rare and very appealing to a man and will stand out above the harpies, so she will not end up alone.
Settling is for losers.
Settling is for the masses – for ordinary, regular, average people who need to integrate, want to be ‘normal’ and not rock the boat. These people are not losers, they just have ordinary human needs and impulses of the kind that have afflicted most of us here and that some of us still wrestle with. I’d like to be normal too. I’d give this up for the Blue Pill life in a heartbeat, if some woman would accept me. I suppose that means I’m not MGTOW. I’m in some third category.
My view is that MGTOW is not for mass consumption. It’s an elitist philosophy, for society’s thought leaders – sort of like atheism, entrepreneurship, Classical Marxism, Dawkinsian ethology and quantum physics. It’s not that MGTOW is intellectually challenging. The basic ideas are simple enough, and bits and pieces of it can be picked-up and understood by Regular Joes, but the reality is that most men are too susceptible to social pressures and can’t (or won’t) grasp consciousness-raising ideas. It’s sort of like expecting an ordinary mind to comprehend university-level physics. Basic concepts can be grasped, but full knowledge and understanding is out-of-reach of most. Some people just can’t think themselves free and will resent you for trying to help them.
After I posted this, I recall a conversation I had with a Blue Pill guy I no longer spoke to (pretty much I broke things off after political discussion, where he would scream “go third party”, without knowing which, just that Libertarian was same as Working Families I guess). He went off and spoke about how there was someone for everyone, as some sort of hope for me. He said how he knew how a guy he thought had no hope found a woman. She wasn’t all that great, but found someone. To end up reducing your state of being to finding some woman to approve of you? Really? Man, have more decency for yourself and get on with your blasted life.
With myself, I ran into a bunch of fall shorts, even excluding the women who didn’t accept me:
* Two women who came down with STDs, one of which was AIDS, not by me.
* A stripper, who I saw for a few weeks, that I met at a strip club. It ended up being like hiring an escort and not getting any. I went with it a few weeks, and it was a train wreck, so I watched. I dumped her and she got upset. Well, it wasn’t really a dump. I told her to call me back to talk, and she didn’t bother, so I went on. I had to play an ultimatum game with her to get her to return calls. Ok, so it was like renting an escort.
* Repeatedly going on date after date, through dating sites, and not even finding any degree of attraction to a woman.
* Going to single’s functions and being bored to tears.
* Doing a number of very long distance relationship things, or trying, and not having them going anywhere. The latest is a woman I know in the Philippines, a former camgirl (chubby but cute), who shows immense signs of hypergamy in here by all accounts, so if I did anything it would be an upgade for her (it is so obvious in what she said to me over Facebook, regarding dumping a guy without a future). That distance isn’t going to close. I hardly hear anything from her, but she has Facebook pics up and her family and so on. I assume nice enough, but nothing to talk about. Hey, maybe some day. She was in hear early 20s when I first made contact with her. But now, she is in her early 30s. That is supposed to be a match? Really? She still wants to do the family and so on, but she has no skills to really do anything in America. She wants to be a made, or do business or something, but just for the money. Hypergamy for her is really her only chance to get a new life. Sure, guys want to go to Asia to find a woman, and they will, some woman who has no choice, so she will suck it up and be nice enough to get a better life, then she gets Americanized and her standards get raised. That is the thing, a woman will upgrade and then get discontented. With her, she is still cute, but I don’t see anything to chat with her about.
And if I just clear my head of a bunch of this some day nonsense and realize that there may not ever be a match (late 40s, who am I kidding here now? It is likely to stay MGTOW with women the rest of my life, because doing the family route now? Really?) I can get on with my life. MGTOW is what a man MUST do, whether or not he find anyone, because he has to do it.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Anonymous3Society seems incensed that men would have their own standards and requirements for a mate, but really it’s men that should have the standards in the first place, since women are for the most part interchangeable and don’t do much of anything.
That’s why it really doesn’t matter about individual women and NAWALT is foolish. The problem isn’t women, it’s society.
The state destroys men at every opportunity, and women have been trained to be damaged, awful and hostile.
You can not have civilization without controlling females. They need to be married off as virgins and then kept at home, and taught to be submissive and pleasant towards males.
Oh sure, you can, after society has already been built, socially engineer an environment with terrible females and then take advantage of blue pill beta males, but it’s against nature and eventually too many men opt out and refuse to be exploited. Apparently this system fails after a certain number of men refuse to play. And that percentage doesn’t even have to be a majority, it’s actually a surprisingly small number.
Good topic. The argument that there is some one out there for everyone is a strawman argument that can be disproved by contradiction. Warning: math is coming.
Assume there is a one to one correspondence between N men and N women. A match lets say. Then there cannot exist a matching where exactly two or more women can all be the perfect match for one man. There can only be one unique matching. Likewise there cannot exist two or more men that can all be a perfect match for a lady. She would have to rank the men and select the best for her. Likewise the man would have to rank the women and select the best for him. However this defies the stable matching theorem, which states there is no way to match two equal sized sets given the above ranking criteria and have every man and women get their way. The only way for this to happen is if everyone to be exactly the same which is impossuble. A number of couples M less than N will have settle. There will always be a couple where they would rather be with each other and not anyone else. Thus settling is the optimal solution and the matchings are not one to one.
NAWALT arguments are nonsense.
I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.
Anonymous25Yes.
They need to “woman up”. The majority are not up to an acceptable standard.
I hope I can f~~~ the ‘matching everyone up’ thing. I would like to think there’s a woman or two out there … thinking …. where’s my atm and work donkey?
That would be nice ☺
Anonymous3I hope I can f~~~ the ‘matching everyone up’ thing. I would like to think there’s a woman or two out there … thinking …. where’s my atm and work donkey? That would be nice
The numbers don’t work out anyway. There are more men than women at birth. Men just die off because society deems men worthless and doesn’t care.
Eventually the numbers even out and it starts going the other way. But that’s around like 50. Even at 30 there are far more males than females. Then you add in lesbians, drug addicts and the like, and the fact that women have “requirements” that generally eliminate 95% of the male population, and it’s kind of a wonder that there are even so many marriages and couplings as there are.
Now….things are never equal in a population….. and millions of women will look for a good man very late in life and never find them.
This is the best part! I’ve known so many girls over the years that if they hooked me when I was 22, 23, 24, I’d have probably foolishly gotten married…but at 31 I wouldn’t even want to date them. I kept myself fit, stayed away from smoking/drugs/heavy drinking, paid for my education and got into a good paying career, built assets, and kept baggage to a minimum. The amount of girls who can claim the same are next to none. Why on earth would I now want to now settle for a woman around my age when so many of them are in need of a financial and emotional bail out? It seems like with many early 30 something year old women its a far greater investment than a younger woman…and for what? Their best days have already passed.
I do want to comment about the “perfect woman” for a man. No one is perfect for anyone, outside of things being very rare. People get married because they feel it in their hearts and the other is close enough. With this, the good enough woman will get snatched up by a good enough man, and odds are the perfect match is gone. What is left is settling. And as society ends up having families break down, less and less people will even know how to do a marriage correctly anyhow, and will be better off single. The only thing that keeps the settling engine going for horrible states is desperation on the part of singles to think someone can come along and be a match and fix them, and the not feeling comfortable being alone and doing alone. Oh, there is the religious one of marriage being a fix for sex drive issues to. The dire need for validation through partnership ends up being the only thing keeping it going. Even now, where having kids out of wedlock doesn’t have stigma, marriage still goes about, and you even have homosexuals wanting to partake in this state sanctioned institution for the sake of approval by society.
Mastering MGTOW, as the Herbivores of Japan are doing what they do in Japan, and society is going to face issues and have to own up to major flaws in the way things are, and will have to face that marriage and families aren’t the answer to fix their ills.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Now….things are never equal in a population….. and millions of women will look for a good man very late in life and never find them.
This is the best part! I’ve known so many girls over the years that if they hooked me when I was 22, 23, 24, I’d have probably foolishly gotten married…but at 31 I wouldn’t even want to date them. I kept myself fit, stayed away from smoking/drugs/heavy drinking, paid for my education and got into a good paying career, built assets, and kept baggage to a minimum. The amount of girls who can claim the same are next to none. Why on earth would I now want to now settle for a woman around my age when so many of them are in need of a financial and emotional bail out? It seems like with many early 30 something year old women its a far greater investment than a younger woman…and for what? Their best days have already passed.
So, what exactly is a woman going to bring you if you built your empire for yourself? Is it kids? I am not sure exactly what they are supposed to bring. I can understand if a woman helped a man build an empire and worked as a great partner, but to just provide sex and kids, is really not worth it. Maybe placate loneliness. I suggest getting a companion cube or a pet, if you are in dire need of company.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
So, what exactly is a woman going to bring you if you built your empire for yourself? Is it kids? I am not sure exactly what they are supposed to bring. I can understand if a woman helped a man build an empire and worked as a great partner, but to just provide sex and kids, is really not worth it.
This is exactly my problem with modern marriage/divorce laws, and potentially getting married at an older age than what previous generations tended to marry at. 10 years ago if I met someone and marriage was on the table, I would have been focused more on the future, as I had not accumulated much to lose at that point. Like you said…if I built an empire along with the help of a great partner…I would consider it OUR empire. Now that I’ve already built my own…why on earth would I want to marry and potentially lose a significant chunk of it?
Its totally unfair and just plain stupid to enter into a marriage where my potential spouse would know if she left the marriage after a few years she’s walking out with a pay day equivalent to a few hundred thousand, while I’m losing an equal amount of money. If I was happily involved with someone, and she got to enjoy some of the benefits of my financial situation, maybe a nicer place to live, gifts, or just someone to split some shared expenses with while we were together, I wouldn’t care…I’m not going to be sitting there counting pennies making sure everything is exactly 50/50. However…if that relationship ends, I don’t ever want to be in a position where I have to pay the equivalent of several years salary, or more, just to get someone out of my life…especially when they have done literally nothing to contribute to my financial success.
The way I look at it, its like you join a doubles tennis tournament that pays the winner a significant chunk of money…only you don’t have a partner so you play solo. You manage to make it to the finals, and your kicking ass, literally one serve away from victory, and some woman hops on the court and wants to join you. You know its over after the next serve and you’ll win whether she is there or not…do you let her join you and split the purse or tell her f~~~ off since she did literally nothing to help you win and doesn’t deserve half of your winnings? If she was on the court playing side by side with you the whole tournament you’d gladly split it…but she wasn’t, she was busy manning the glory hole in the bathroom while you were busy winning.
This is the best part! I’ve known so many girls over the years that if they hooked me when I was 22, 23, 24, I’d have probably foolishly gotten married…but at 31 I wouldn’t even want to date them. I kept myself fit, stayed away from smoking/drugs/heavy drinking, paid for my education and got into a good paying career, built assets, and kept baggage to a minimum. The amount of girls who can claim the same are next to none. Why on earth would I now want to now settle for a woman around my age when so many of them are in need of a financial and emotional bail out? It seems like with many early 30 something year old women its a far greater investment than a younger woman…and for what? Their best days have already passed.
Somewhere on my travels in the Manosphere, I read a guy’s comment who said:
“If she wasn’t interested in me during her best 10 years….
I won’t be interested in being there for her worst 40”.There was no need for him to elaborate any further.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
Anonymous5It’s f~~~ing insane that females will demand 1000 things from men to be considered worthy to date them, but even if men have those 1000 things, she will still be unhappy. Or if the man has 999/1000 things, he is still not good enough.
Men on the other hand don’t ask much at all:
-Don’t nag/be nice
-Be decent looking and provide sex
-Do your fair share of the work.
But females can’t even do that. We ask them the bare minimum and they still have to act like nagging c~~~s. They withhold sex, they don’t cook and clean anymore. Then after marriage they let themselves go and turn into landwhales. Why bother? Getting married is basically the exact same thing as taking care of a brat child.
They are all miserable c~~~s. My SO cooks cleans and is good in bed. But God forgive I forget to tell her something important, then suddenly she treats me like I just murdred someone. No matter how much you bust your b~~~~ doing things, they will find a reason to be unhappy – and treat it like the end of the world. She is completely unbalanced with “The Menapause Crazies”. Her behavior is exactly why men leave middle-aged women, not because of new poon – because they become even more mentally imbalanced.
20’s = Hypergamy C~~~s
30’s = Baby Rabies
40’s-50’s = Menapause Crazies
60’s = Bitter
They are never happy, at any age.
Sovereignty above all else.
So much agreement with this thread!
Never happy.
My ex. I was everything she wanted from a man bar agreeing to children (which she asked me to commit to the idea 9 months into our relationship). Values, looks, how I made her feel etc. But because I couldn’t give her a definite yes on the child front my other values were worthless. It is like you say. 999/1000 isn’t enough.
She acknowledged she would not get anyone she had the same connection too as me, but her perfect life involved this family and being a SAHM.
In short, no matter what I did for her or made her feel – without agreeing to children it made no difference. She would rather an average simp to be a family man – because PRINCESS DREAM SINCE I WAS 4. Honestly, her dream was that she would be able to sit in cafe’s with friends with her children. Seriously, this what she wanted more than anything else. This very specific thing. To have kids and sit in a cafe with friends and them.
It still baffles me. I know it is better in the long run, and ultimately my happiness is here in MGTOW 🙂 so it is a blessing really, I am slowly getting there, and this one relationship was enough to realise there was nothing here for me in that life. But it does not take away the stupidity of the situation. They will always gamble for better than what they get.
Honestly, her dream was that she would be able to sit in cafe’s with friends with her children. Seriously, this what she wanted more than anything else. This very specific thing. To have kids and sit in a cafe with friends and them.
I grew up with a SAHM, and a father who worked a ton of hours to support that arrangement. I kinda realized as a teenager my dad was getting screwed royally on that arrangement. My mom spent most of her days meeting friends out for lunch, going shopping, going to the beach…basically every day was like a weekend for her. As long as she got a few loads of laundry done per week, kept the house clean which was maybe like 30 minutes of effort a couple times a week, and had dinner ready for my dad when he got home, he was ok with it. In other words…he worked like 40-80 hours a week, she worked like 5.
Now that wasn’t the worst part…when my brother and I were older, like in our 20s, she actually threw it in my dad’s face that he wasn’t around a lot when we were kids. He literally provided well for his children, and provided her with a stress free life of leisure for 2 solid decades, as she mainly returned to work out of boredom when my brother and I were both out of high school, and she threw it in his face like he was a scumbag father. Sure, I’d have loved to have my dad around more growing up, what kind of kid wouldn’t, but as a man I can understand why he worked so much. You’d think my mother would have been appreciative when it was obvious my dad had the s~~~ty end of the stick…but nope, she used that as something to bitch about.
So even if you provided her that dream of sitting in a cafe with her friends and her kids…would she have been grateful? My mom certainly wasn’t. The day I heard her toss that in my father’s face was also the day I realized if I ever had kids I sure as hell wasn’t having a worthless stay at home wife. Its just simply not worth making any great sacrifices for modern women…I’m glad you made the right decision with your girl and didn’t end up like my dad.
Thank you Beer for sharing that. It helps me. As you are right, and my mother actually advised me of the same thing – “even if you provided her what she wanted, she would find something else wrong with you”. It is sad, but I know it is true. They are never content with what they have. I could see it being hell had I gone down that road. As a single man in a decent paying job (slightly above UK *Average*) but I have more than enough money for my needs, living, and can treat myself without making a massive impact or concern to my savings. But this money would be worthless split among a wife and 3 (yes it HAD TO BE THREE) children. She had no idea where this money would come from and really it did not matter to her. She just wanted to know I WOULD do this, she would not listen to reason when I tried to bring up how we would afford this.
Oh, but the other gem in her dream. We would have to live near where she was (York) (I am a londoner) so she could be near friends and family and because she wanted Grandparents involved in the children’s life… And if my parents maybe wanted to see the children, perhaps? No? Not important? Oh ok. Thanks.
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