Authority and Responsibility

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I had a conversation with a young female colleague of mine over coffee today. She and her boyfriend of six years are contemplating marriage and she asked me for some advice as to how she should move forward with it, particularly from an economic perspective. Here’s what I told her.

There are three possible arrangements in a marriage:

Type 1 – A Sole Proprietorship
Type 2 – An Equal Partnership
Type 3 – An Unequal Split

The most important factor in all cases is to bind authority to responsibility. If the two are not commensurate, the relationship is guaranteed to be dysfunctional no matter what you do.

In a type 1 relationship, one of the two individuals, typically the man, has 100% of the responsibility and authority and the other, typically the woman, has no responsibility and no authority. She gets a completely free ride and, in exchange, she gives up any right to make decisions about her own life.

In a type 2 relationship, each person gets exactly 50% of the authority and 50% of the responsibility. In other words, neither one sacrifices anything and neither one gets anything for free. Of course there’s any number of ways to determine who puts in what and who decides what… that’s up to the individuals… but the key is that if agreement or compromise can’t be reached, there’s always the option to dissolve the partnership and everyone goes about their business as if the whole thing never happened.

Here’s where it gets ugly. In a type 3 relationship, the majority partner may appear to have more authority, but in reality they only have more responsibility. In fact, they are ultimately 100% responsible. If s~~~ goes sideways, minority partners always become dependent but no matter how much or how little they’re contributing, they will demand authority far in excess of their investment and, over time, will both resent and dominate the majority shareholder.

What it all boils down to is this: If you’re considering a partnership with someone and you’re the one with the money, the confidence, the connections or the promising future, either get yourself an ironclad contract where both you and your partner have complete authority and responsibility over your own lives and none over each other’s, or be a motherf~~~ing pimp and take 100%.

[Anonymous 42]

100% F~~~ yea! It’s only natural!!!

[The_Mad_PirateParticipant 1278]

Game Theory “prisoner’s dilemma” is allways a nice thing to know.

"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning" "A world that vilifies men only breeds a generation of men that feel no empathy towards women" “In a woman’s mind , there is really no such thing as a ‘we’. In her eyes, earth allways revolves around her, not the other way around. So thinking that your needs , aspirations or desires are valid enough to be persued, or even that you are entitled achive such goals, is like asking your boss for a pay rise in your very first day at the job.”

[RoyDalParticipant]

The_Mad_Pirate wrote:

Game Theory “prisoner’s dilemma” is allways a nice thing to know.

Yep!

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[HitmanParticipant]

Marriage is like being held hostage. .sadly some men develop “hellsinki.syndrome..they bond with the hostage taker..

[hellraiderParticipant 2837]

A woman just wants all the authority and none of the responsability.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

hellraider wrote:

A woman just wants all the authority and none of the responsability.

Exactly.

And I was sure to let her know that authority without responsibility = tyranny and responsibility without authority = slavery.

I also made it clear that marriage in any form is a bad deal for a man due to the fact that, regardless of what is discussed, promised, agreed on or signed, society and the courts will back the woman almost universally in blaming, demonizing, imprisoning and taking everything she possibly can from the man.

For a woman, marriage affords the best possible range of options and outcomes with the full backing of society.

For a man, it equals social tyranny and economic enslavement.

Not that she was particularly enlightened by any of this… but some people at nearby tables sure were interested in what I had to say. They probably thought I was speaking of a possible marriage between her and myself and appeared to be rather stunned at my straight talk on the subject.

[OgreParticipant 5863]

I like your classifications Doc. My current situation is type 3. I could walk and be totally solvent the same day. My spouse on the other hand wound founder and drown, taking my kids with her.

It’s the only reason that I’m here, yet I stay. I didn’t realize what a raw deal I had gotten over 20 years ago, but now I do.

You did better than required to let your female friend know the truth of relationships. She won’t listen, because she has less to lose currently. 10, 15, 20 years down the line when she has given up her autonomy and ability to produce yet retains authority; then she’ll understand.

It requires too much forethought for somebody considering marriage to even see the long term consequences. He might be a better target with the discussion but other than gender you owe him nothing, she’s the one who’s your friend.

Unfortunately she’ll be able to do whatever she wants down the road because that’s just the way the system is set up now.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

Just dont marry! Case closed *slams gavel*

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

[AristotleParticipant 48]

The relationship that I just got out of (paperwork pending) was a type 3 situation. I used to joke that we only disagreed on one thing, that I should do everything and pay for everything she told me to.

I think the only relationship that makes sense in today’s world is one I saw among 2 introverted people:

They are together, but no kids.
They have separate households and have had so for 25 years.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

If a woman truly loves a man, she won’t subject him to the clusterf~~~ for men that is marriage. She will be happy just being with him.

But women don’t love men. They only love what they want men to do for them.

[GrumpyParticipant]

sidecar wrote:

If a woman truly loves a man, she won’t subject him to the clusterf~~~ for men that is marriage. She will be happy just being with him.

But women don’t love men. They only love what they want men to do for them.

^^Truth^^

If she cant be content, how can she find happiness?

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

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