At last: reasonable, balanced thoughts on women, feminism, nice guys, etc.

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

Even in my bluest of blue-pill days, I don’t think I was ever at any point the “nice guy” that PUAs deride. Sure, I was nice to a girl (or maybe two or three, dunno) whom I liked and was romantically interested in, and sure I was upset and confused as to why my attention and niceness wasn’t reciprocated, but I never bent over backward, never bought her stuff, never was her shoulder to cry on when her asshole boyfriend did something upset, never had her “stolen” from me by some player or anything like that.

But even still, even after the red pill, whenever I saw people reviling “nice guys” or “creepy guys” on Reddit or whatever, I would get mad, and start defending the “nice guys.” I never knew why, but I would always get mad whenever someone revile a “nice guy” or call some behavior “creepy,” even though I could safely say to myself that I’ve never been a nice guy or had ever been called creepy (at least before the red pill!)

But I stumbled upon a series of blog posts that puts it so eloquently. The author doesn’t take a side, but rather examines gender and relationship dynamics, concludes that it’s f~~~ed for all parties involved, and pretty much explains what I’ve been thinking about the whole thing ever since the red pill but have never been able to articulate it.

They’re really short, and well worth your time. Don’t let the titles throw you off: they’re great reading, incredibly well-balanced, and the author doesn’t take any sides. They’re best read in order:

The first meditation on privilege

The second meditation on privilege

The third meditation on privilege

The fourth meditation on creepiness

The fifth meditation on creepiness

the sixth meditation on superweapons

The seventh meditation on the war on applause lights

The eighth meditation on superweapons and bingo

The ninth meta-tation on meta

An unrelated blog post by the same author, more about the vilification of “nice guys”:

Radicalizing the Romanceless

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

Just realized that his Indian beggar analogy in the first and second meditations isn’t quite accurate. Hot women are petitioned by a lot of guys, but the upside to it is that they have a s~~~ton of options available to them as friends, boyfriends, lovers, and husbands. There’s no advantage to your being petitioned by a s~~~ton of Indian beggars, so the analogy isn’t really fair.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

Just read a lot of it. He seems like a rather intelligent guy but those folks leaving comments can be kind of laughable. A lot of them seem to have a balance fallacy problem: “I can admit feminist can be wrong, but I usually agree with them. Ergo, I am right and everyone else is an extremist.”

The issue none of them address is whether it is worth it for a guy to put up with all the drama. They admit for a guy, it is a numbers game with women, but stop right there.

Thanks for the interesting post, Rachmaninoff. It can actually be enjoyable reading through non-manosphere stuff on gender issues when they don’t resort to shaming language and automatically blaming men for everything.

[Anonymous 5]

I think the first analogy is brilliant. I haven’t read the rest yet but if that’s your reaction to the first one, I’m definitely reading them all.
It’s difficult to find a similar comparison to women only seeing men as a resource, and then using the strategy of “Niceness” to trap and then exploit them, but the foreign tourist in a 3rd world setting is the best I’ve seen so far.

Yes, you’re correct in the respect that it’s not 100% correct. It only applies the vast majority of women who target men as a partner and throw niceness and sex at them to procure them as a resource.

For most of my life I felt compassion for women’s stories about their last men just using them for sex.
It’s easy to believe when you know, and we’re taught from birth” that men are only after one thing, furthermore, most of us used to pursue attractive women.
I eventually realised the same women kept telling the same story about being used by men for sex.

I’d had a brief encounter with one of them and all she kept saying was that sex is just natural, mechanical etc,,it’s what people do. She came across as a free loving hippy. She was throwing “free” sex at me. My gut instinct told me not to f~~~ her, so I didn’t.
Ever since then she’s had a long history of “Men using her” She tears their character and reputations to shreds so badly that men have to leave the group.

She, like the majority of women throw niceness and sex at men to entrap them.
They turn toxic and you’re portrayed as an asshole if you don’t play along with their charade of unsolicited “Niceness”
And if you accept their “Niceness” and don’t pay back with compliance and servitude, you’re a user and abuser of women.

The bottom line is, once you’re targeted as a resource/partner by a woman, you’re f~~~ed.

This female strategy is as old as recorded history.
Here’s a quote from “The Epic of Gilgamesh”, the oldest story in history
“Ah Ishtar, terrible Ishtar; cruel, callous and capricious goddess of love, whose embrace may neither be accepted nor spumed without danger!

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

For some reason I can’t edit my posts. Also, the fourth meditation is removed for some reason. Here’s a link to the archived version.

Tiga K wrote:

A lot of them seem to have a balance fallacy problem: “I can admit feminist can be wrong, but I usually agree with them. Ergo, I am right and everyone else is an extremist.”

From the last link:

We will now perform an ancient and traditional Slate Star Codex ritual, where I point out something I don’t like about feminism, then everyone tells me in the comments that no feminist would ever do that and it’s a dirty rotten straw man. And then I link to two thousand five hundred examples of feminists doing exactly that, and then everyone in the comments No-True-Scotsmans me by saying that that doesn’t count and those people aren’t representative of feminists. And then I find two thousand five hundred more examples of the most prominent and well-respected feminists around saying exactly the same thing, and then my commenters tell me that they don’t count either and the only true feminist lives in the Platonic Realm and expresses herself through patterns of dewdrops on the leaves in autumn and everything she says is unspeakably kind and beautiful and any time I try to make a point about feminism using examples from anyone other than her I am a dirty rotten motivated-arguer trying to weak-man the movement for my personal gain.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

Do women want kind ,caring thoughtful men?????

I dont think so.

Birds of a feather.

Some scientific research.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19350760

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[RockmaninoffParticipant 1641]

Anonymous wrote:

It’s difficult to find a similar comparison to women only seeing men as a resource, and then using the strategy of “Niceness” to trap and then exploit them, but the foreign tourist in a 3rd world setting is the best I’ve seen so far.

That’s interesting, but I believe you misunderstood what the analogy was representing: the author didn’t intend to use the analogy to describe women seeing men as a resource and using niceness to get what they want; rather, he intended to show that it is awkward and uncomfortable for beautiful women to be propositioned by lots of men so much, but also he goes on, in the second meditation, to extend the analogy to show that women’s subsequent claiming that men’s ability to not be “harassed” by random women is completely unfair and cruel.

". . . elle, suivant l’usage des femmes et des chats qui ne viennent pas quand on les appelle et qui viennent quand on ne les appelle pas, s’arrêta devant moi et m’adressa la parole"—Prosper Mérimée

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