Aren't Blue Pill men also a reason for the mess?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I will say Blue Pill here can also include some PUA mentality involved with this, and men who wanted to push for sexual revolution that also supported no fault divorce and a dozen other things that have led to where things are with marriage.  I needed a short enough label, and I didn’t just want to say “men” here.

If say men acted red pill, and didn’t put up with bull, and were able to walk away from women, marriage, and all that, and be strong, how would of things gotten the way they are?  I am not saying that most men will go MGTOW/red pill, so I won’t expect MGTOW to be successful as a strike technique.  However, so long as you have men white knighting, acting as manginas, and centering their lives around being PUAs, how is society NOT going to be any different?  You can change the laws and make them more favorable, but it doesn’t change the culture or its values.  If you still have tradcons about also, pushing what they push and tell men to “man up and get married”, and men go along, how is it going to be different?  And if the sex drive of men isn’t going to be able to be manage to the extent they will value their own autonomy over getting laid, how is it going to be changed?  Yes, you had the said “Playboy philosophy” talk about some liberation and do your own thing, but you have the likes of Hugh Hefner pushing a life where a man has a bunch of women around it, as a sign of success and power.  And you can blame the laws alone here, but in a democratic society, if enough go along, laws do get past, so I curious how the laws alone get blamed with it is society’s norms that make the laws so.

I can also say the divided nature of men also play a part in this to.  You have some men who are PUA, and others who are tradcon.  End result is that you get a unified group of feminists doing what they do, and become the center of attention, and have an agenda past, because of all the diverse reactions to what is proposed.  And every Blue Pill man just goes along with it, groaning and whatever, or looking absurd trying to be MRAs to try to get something different.

So, my question here is: Aren’t Blue Pill men also a reason for the mess we have today in this area that drives men to go MGTOW?  Please feel free to comment.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[hydro137Participant 6]

What got us to this point in this fantastic mess I don’t think is the issue, its too complicated, that I reckon we ain’t got time to be apportioning blame, it only delays, divides and might have been perfectly sensible depending on where and when in our past your trying to figure it out.

Human and social evolution is pretty interesting, but we gotta cut to the chase, accept were all culpable one way or another and not get to complicated in playing the blame game, leave that to the women who I’m willing concede, are better at that one than the men.

Keep in simple

1 man/1 dick / 1 head simple.   Most of us want to keep that I hope.

Confusing as it is, keep it that way and accept were all been dick heads too.

Yeah, you might have to cut off a few ego’s but don’t cut a mans dick or head off, its in our past and in our future no matter what,  just be glad you aint a male baboon, because natural and human history is pretty horrific and we can’t deny either by twentieth century logic.

Be reasonable,  men are men, if a man wants to castrate himself, its his dick, but I’m happy to tame my own beast within my own grip and don’t need help on that score (I’d ask if I never needed it), but if any bloke in here wants me to deal with another guys c~~~,  there’s other places for that and in here aint it.

So keep it simple,  if a guy wants a relationship, casual sex or a no strings attachment, that’s an issue for his own morality to which honesty / decency and integrity within the law and I’d hope our shared humanity.  I thought it was being a case of us pledging to keep safe distance, something which most of us can do, but accept as with any pledge, we still have the freedom which we are trying to make fewer mistakes without being cast out as a traitor.

When something feels like a choice, we are so much better at making the right decision,  if we are doing something cos we feel forced to,  we end up killing ourselves and each other, and nothing will change.

I’m gonna let my c~~~ out to play,  just not give it more power that it costs me everything, I have to give.  I can’t demand respect from other men, i hope just to be more honest and fair into who I’m kidding, cos for the first time in years I feel like I own myself (Freedom isn’t absolute for any its within the illusions of nature and environment to which we all have to realistic and fair within our own social order)]

Its all a game, the rules are only broken by our intolerance to flex,  my Dad was a steel worker (not an academic), so he’d be glad he taught me something about metallurgic fragility under tension being its weakness not it strength.  Even tho this is the first time I’ve found that useful.

 

 

 

 

No one wants here is gonna cut your dick off, and men are still mamals, with

 

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

The game wont change. Youre right but how we play it does. Dont get stuck in molasses swamp.

I take it that the game won’t change, so I need to play a different one.  In case where I have the ability to make decisions, I let people know what the rules are, and I live by them, and they are so that I win, and others go along can win also.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Anonymous 5]

Yes, but they don’t know any better. They have been brainwashed by c~~~s. I can only hope they find the red pill someday.

[LonerBonerParticipant 358]

The blue pill is so easy, i just recently opened my eyes. I was about to do the same mistake instanlty after leaving a 17year long relationship. This girl just hooked me. Thank god i escaped. It would have been so easy just to continue with her but at the same time sooooo wrong.

I have friends that are so desperate to keep their relationships that they choose to ignore all their womens s~~~ty behaviour, and they dont even have kids WTF?

 

 

Keep clam i'm dyslexic.

[Robert HallamParticipant 696]

Once a Blue Pill gets burned and burned bad, you get a die-hard Red Pill.  For some it takes longer than others.

[Anonymous 1]

No it is all the womens’ fault directly or indirectly.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Anonymous wrote:

No it is all the womens’ fault directly or indirectly.

Ok, let me say this, to frame why I disagree: Once you go MGTOW, how much more of a problem are women for you?  I would say next to nothing, once you are out of a relationship with a woman.  Because of this, that would mean a man has to be part of the problem, even if he didn’t know better, because he decided to get in the relationship with the woman that gives him problems. And with this, he very likely initiated a lot of the relationship, and the boundaries, so he played that role.  My experience with women is, until you are in a relationship with them, they tend to be immensely passive in nature, waiting for the man to do all the work to initiate, and then go all passive and suggestive, when dealing with him.

And that is why I say Blue Pill men are at least part of the reason for the mess now, as they have set the bar so low, that the odds are really high you won’t find a decent woman, because the Blue Pill made it so.

Please let me know why you disagree with this.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Anonymous 1]

Men today have been brainwashed since childhood and grew up in an oppressive society. They think it’s normal to be subordinates.

It isn’t their fault they don’t know what’s going on. Women have superior manipulative/cunning intelligence which they use to destroy men from the inside. The most effective and fail-safe way of doing it is taking innocent boys away and start crushing them from their very childhood.

Indirectly, it is the fault of women. Who made the blue pill men? Women.

 

[BestoftherestParticipant 285]

I say 100% blue pills are to blame. Their drive to please women has given women all the cards. Now those men are working to support something intent on killing them. Ironically it is blue pill men that are waking up on droves to the way women operate today. They may never go red pill but they will be purple pill. Those purple pills will save the world, at least for a few generations. We red pills, we’ll just be the outliers that help setup the atmosphere for blue pill men to transition into purple.

"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."
Abraham Lincoln

[QcummerParticipant 652]

Why try to place blame?

What good does it do?

I blame your God, not mine. so there.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Qcummer wrote:

Why try to place blame? What good does it do? I blame your God, not mine. so there.

There is a focus around MGTOW to try to understand the why things are the way they are.  So, I figured I would post this and get some comments.  From a practical level, it really doesn’t matter how things go the way they are, just what one does to deal with it now they are in it.  So, a MGTOW can just focus on what he needs to do, and worry less how things are the way they are.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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