Are you going YOUR OWN WAY? Then let others GO THEIRS.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

This is a sore topic, sensitive to most of us. After all, Who doesn’t want sex? And if we stop masturbating for a week, you’ll probably start having wet dreams… if you aren’t already having sex dreams constantly at any age.

I get it. I could have rebuked a lot of false assertions and continuous personal attacks but the truth is, its not worth burning each other on a thread like this. I don’t have any beef with these guys and I relate fully.

The topic of defining mgtow is arduous, especially a comprehensive definition of the behavior of a mghow, the underlying code. The truth I hate to admit is that is actually was started by tradcon oldtimers, then blasted into outspace by a few hard core monks. Its a mixed definition. The oldtimers who started the original mgtow concept on that old old forum, many of them were all for finding a NAWALT and serving her, while others wouldn’t so much as talk to another woman for the rest of their lives if that was possible.

All I know is that both definitions are still good for men overall. I didn’t come here to slam other men even though I get a little too passionate from time to time and start s~~~. At bottom, these men here are a deep source of inspiration and personal growth for me.

All the best to anyone I stepped on their foot.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

This is a sore topic, sensitive to most of us. After all, Who doesn’t want sex? And if we stop masturbating for a week, you’ll probably start having wet dreams… if you aren’t already having sex dreams constantly at any age.

I get it. I could have rebuked a lot of false assertions and continuous personal attacks but the truth is, its not worth burning each other on a thread like this. I don’t have any beef with these guys and I relate fully.

The topic of defining mgtow is arduous, especially a comprehensive definition of the behavior of a mghow, the underlying code. The truth I hate to admit is that is actually was started by tradcon oldtimers, then blasted into outspace by a few hard core monks. Its a mixed definition. The oldtimers who started the original mgtow concept on that old old forum, many of them were all for finding a NAWALT and serving her, while others wouldn’t so much as talk to another woman for the rest of their lives if that was possible.

All I know is that both definitions are still good for men overall. I didn’t come here to slam other men even though I get a little too passionate from time to time and start s~~~. At bottom, these men here are a deep source of inspiration and personal growth for me.

All the best to anyone I stepped on their foot.

I understand both perspectives. However, as a person focusing on me, and as a general rule of being a decent person, I try not to tell other people what to do. That’s not my job. It’s not my job to hold people’s hand, or live their life for them, or tell them what they can’t and cannot do. Part of that is because I don’t want people doing the same to me. Leave me to my devices and let me face the consequences on my own. I choose not to engage with women on a sexual or relationship level with women. That’s my choice. I don’t expect others to live as I live. Which is why I don’t push others do so.

If someone wants to go find their unicorn, that’s their choice. Is it likely they will find one? No. Women, esp western women, have become toxic and entitled, and all around useless. No sense investing in that and kissing their ass. I would never try to make a house wife of a whore. But does that mean that just because it’s not likely to find a unicorn doesn’t mean it can’t be found? It can happen. But the person who chooses to look does so at their own risk and time. That’s their choice.

Hypergamy exists in ALL species. A doe will mate with and run with the strongest buck. And a female lion will mate with and search for the dominant male lion. I don’t fault them for that. What I fault is the society that REWARDS them for that behavior at the EXPENSE of men. Through societal expectations, through the laws, and through the court systems. There’s a double standard that allows for women to engage in hypergamy, with little to no risk, and plenty of reward; meanwhile a man who engages in that type of hypergamy is looked down on with shame, and given no quarter. A man who engages in hypergamy is bastardized.

I don’t tell people they need to be monk. That’s a choice they come to on their own. Likewise, I don’t tell people they can’t engage in relationships. If a person has the knowledge from a red pill standpoint, and understands the risks, that’s their choice. Either decision has little to do with me. Because I’m not here to promote, or rally a cause, or act as part of an organization to “recruit”. I’m doing my own thing. Going my own way. My chief obligation is to myself. But I am not galt. I am still invested in my brothers here because I try to help them if I can and if they ask for it, and I still enjoy interactions with women. Even if I don’t f~~~ them or date them. But again, I’m not a hermit. I enjoy interactions largely, with ALL people. Because I don’t expect of people. Therefore I cannot be disappointed.

MGTOW as you knew it several years ago evolved from what it started as. It became about ghosting women. But HERE… HERE… WE are a hospital for damaged men. Damaged men who come here in emotional and financial ruin because of women, society, and the courts. So we invest OUR time, to help not only to inform, but to lift up, our brothers. THAT is where MGTOW has evolved from what you knew it years ago. We live individually, but we come together (as men do) to help rebuild our brothers. That’s why so many enjoy conversing on zoom, where it’s no longer about screen names and texts, but about faces, individuals and the conversations they have. These men have forged bonds. Meeting up has only further proved to forge bonds among men. We go our own way, but we stand in support of each other, in a society that does not stand with us. That casts us aside, that spits on us, that uses us, and ignores us, and mistreats us.

[DocParticipant]

Great post I.R.M.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[Gravel PitParticipant]

IRuleMe wrote:

I don’t tell people they need to be monk.

Neither do I bro. This happens every time someone makes an objective point about what mgtow was from 2013 to 2016.

Suddenly when you draw a line in the sand about what mgtow is, where it came from, all these guys take it personally and start yelling at me about what they do with their bodies…

This is not about you. This is not about 10,000 college guys on YouTube who started watching Sandman in 2016.

This is an objective analysis of what MGTOW is, where it came from. Please read my words as in a calm tone, I’m not trying to antagonize you or tell you what to do with your body.

I’m pointing out the history of mgtow, something it seems you don’t give a s~~~ about (sorry). MGTOW, to you, is like some punk rock band, a big middle finger to authority. A he-man, woman haters club.

Forgive us MGTOWers, who have been passionately taking in mgtow content twice as long as you. We were a little taken back a few years ago, for good reason, when countless newbs showed up and highjacked something we’d become very fond of. They took it, and robbed the meaning, to include pussy begging. Can I call it anything else? When the redpill was turned purple?

Just go get married, go bang lots of chicks. Catch an STD, get your emotions, finances and whole life stampeded by a woman. The funny part is that mgtow IS a journey, and when that s~~~ really does happen to you, suddenly you appreciate the “classic” mgtow. No s~~~ bro. Hopefully you don’t end up paying child support, in jail, or worse. F~~~ Messenger Rising and Stardusk Videos right, you just want to re-affirm your version of mgtow on ZOOM to include casual dating. Internalize the message or go back out.

I have to admire the stubborn 20-something attitude, that says fu&* You to anyone older than him, “I do what I want” “I can bang women, I’m still Going MY own way.”….. The guy who takes everything the wrong way and gets ultra defensive. Nevermind the plethora of men telling your the worst heart wrenching stories all around you, It cant happen to you, you’re different. Its one thing to stand there and say, “I accept the risks.” Okay. Go tell that to a men on the street right now.

I don’t give a s~~~ what you do, go do it, more power to you. Just don’t drag the name of mgtow there with you. Quit watering down mgtow to include a profile on OkCupid.

Everytime I try to be nice about this and show some brotherhood, you come back on here and throw sand at me. I even gave it a break for a few days, letting all the ridiculous posts go unanswered. Yall are the ones getting defensive, because you’re desperately trying to include dating in your version of mgtow and will lash out at anyone trying to stand up for the objective truth of what mgtow is.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

IRuleMe wrote:

I don’t tell people they need to be monk.

Neither do I bro. This happens every time someone makes an objective point about what mgtow was from 2013 to 2016.

Suddenly when you draw a line in the sand about what mgtow is, where it came from, all these guys take it personally and start yelling at me about what they do with their bodies…

This is not about you. This is not about 10,000 college guys on YouTube who started watching Sandman in 2016.

This is an objective analysis of what MGTOW is, where it came from. Please read my words as in a calm tone, I’m not trying to antagonize you or tell you what to do with your body.

I’m pointing out the history of mgtow, something it seems you don’t give a s~~~ about (sorry). MGTOW, to you, is like some punk rock band, a big middle finger to authority. A he-man, woman haters club.

Forgive us MGTOWers, who have been passionately taking in mgtow content twice as long as you. We were a little taken back a few years ago, for good reason, when countless newbs showed up and highjacked something we’d become very fond of. They took it, and robbed the meaning, to include pussy begging. Can I call it anything else? When the redpill was turned purple?

Just go get married, go bang lots of chicks. Catch an STD, get your emotions, finances and whole life stampeded by a woman. The funny part is that mgtow IS a journey, and when that s~~~ really does happen to you, suddenly you appreciate the “classic” mgtow. No s~~~ bro. Hopefully you don’t end up paying child support, in jail, or worse. F~~~ Messenger Rising and Stardusk Videos right, you just want to re-affirm your version of mgtow on ZOOM to include casual dating. Internalize the message or go back out.

I have to admire the stubborn 20-something attitude, that says fu&* You to anyone older than him, “I do what I want” “I can bang women, I’m still Going MY own way.”….. The guy who takes everything the wrong way and gets ultra defensive. Nevermind the plethora of men telling your the worst heart wrenching stories all around you, It cant happen to you, you’re different. Its one thing to stand there and say, “I accept the risks.” Okay. Go tell that to a men on the street right now.

I don’t give a s~~~ what you do, go do it, more power to you. Just don’t drag the name of mgtow there with you. Quit watering down mgtow to include a profile on OkCupid.

Everytime I try to be nice about this and show some brotherhood, you come back on here and throw sand at me. I even gave it a break for a few days, letting all the ridiculous posts go unanswered. Yall are the ones getting defensive, because you’re desperately trying to include dating in your version of mgtow and will lash out at anyone trying to stand up for the objective truth of what mgtow is.

I’m not even disagreeing with you here. All I stated is how I operate personally. I wasn’t defensive before. I am now. What I WAS doing was having an honest and open discussion with you. A free exchange of ideas. We don’t have to agree with each other on everything. That’s fine. But I think you missed the main premise of my point, and this is where I think you don’t quite get it as it relates to MGTOW. You’re too worried about the terminology, and the meaning, and what others are doing instead of what YOU are doing. So are you defined by your label? I’m not. Because everything you define as MGTOW, I was living by and then some. Before you even knew what the term was. I’m not some fresh out of highschool kid. I’m close to 40. I was living by everything you talk about before you even knew it was it was. Before you even had an acronym to call it by your own definitions. In terms of MGTOW, I AM NOT LIVING ANY DIFFERENT A LIFESTYLE THAN YOU.

The difference between us is, you keep trying to dictate to people what MGTOW is. I do not. That is the part you do not grasp. I am worried about what I am doing. And I don’t give f~~~ what someone else does with their life unless they ask me.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

IRuleMe wrote:

you keep trying to dictate to people what MGTOW is

before we go on, I’m extending an olive branch here, I’ve already done this a few times.

I’m not dictating to anyone, or telling anyone what to do..
Having a scientific inquisitive attitude and trying to explore the mgtow concept from an objective point of view, from the outside, that is what I’m doing.

When you approach mgtow from that point of view, taking into account the formative years of mgtow, all the content, and especially 2012-2016 (where mgtow absolutely went parabolic)…..when you look at all that from an unbiased point of view, you don’t come up with MGTOW including casual dating, marriage, one night stands..

Especially the marriage part bro, that is flat out blasphemy to mgtow. If there is one universal axiom in mgtow, its don’t get married. So when our friends here at mgtow start saying being married is okay, he is still going his own way, I’m honestly aghast.

And when they make threads about how …”its my choice to date and I’m going my own way, and that going my own way means that I will be dating and having sex…” I’m like, where did this go wrong?

Its an honest question, and I’m your friend asking it with you, not against you. How do we go from no marriage, do dating, no cohabitating….to actively using dating websites and using women for sex to “initiate artistic expression.” There is a big hang up there, a flat out contradiction.

That contradiction is hiding behind weak arguments, sematic exploitation of the acronym. Weak appeals to soverignity for the individual man, at what price? The price is the total reversal of what mgtow was just 36 months ago.

The worst part, is not that dudes are ignoring the message and playing with women…that would be fine on its own, we’re not here to tell men what to do but when those guys are doing it while saying they’re still going their own way……that is trolling the MGTOW definition, that is dragging a legacy through the dirt.

Thanks for reading my comments. I hope you are having a pleasant Sunday

[Gravel PitParticipant]

The worst part, is NOT that guys are ignoring the message and playing with women… (that would be fine, we’re not here to dictate) but when those guys are doing it while saying they’re still going their own way……that is trolling the MGTOW definition, that is dragging a legacy through the dirt.

Gravel Pit wrote:

Especially the marriage part bro, that is flat out blasphemy to mgtow. If there is one universal axiom in mgtow, its don’t get married. So when our friends here at mgtow start saying being married is okay, he is still going his own way, I’m honestly aghast.

I make these points a lot, I don’t feel like anyone cares. I just get yelled at for defending a concept. Am I supposed to be silent when the whole thing is backsliding further and further?

Pretty soon, MGTOW will just be another AVFM if we keep this up.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

IRuleMe wrote:

you keep trying to dictate to people what MGTOW is

before we go on, I’m extending an olive branch here, I’ve already done this a few times.

I’m not dictating to anyone, or telling anyone what to do..
Having a scientific inquisitive attitude and trying to explore the mgtow concept from an objective point of view, from the outside, that is what I’m doing.

When you approach mgtow from that point of view, taking into account the formative years of mgtow, all the content, and especially 2012-2016 (where mgtow absolutely went parabolic)…..when you look at all that from an unbiased point of view, you don’t come up with MGTOW including casual dating, marriage, one night stands..

Especially the marriage part bro, that is flat out blasphemy to mgtow. If there is one universal axiom in mgtow, its don’t get married. So when our friends here at mgtow start saying being married is okay, he is still going his own way, I’m honestly aghast.

And when they make threads about how …”its my choice to date and I’m going my own way, and that going my own way means that I will be dating and having sex…” I’m like, where did this go wrong?

Its an honest question, and I’m your friend asking it with you, not against you. How do we go from no marriage, do dating, no cohabitating….to actively using dating websites and using women for sex to “initiate artistic expression.” There is a big hang up there, a flat out contradiction.

That contradiction is hiding behind weak arguments, sematic exploitation of the acronym. Weak appeals to soverignity for the individual man, at what price? The price is the total reversal of what mgtow was just 36 months ago.

The worst part, is not that dudes are ignoring the message and playing with women…that would be fine on its own, we’re not here to tell men what to do but when those guys are doing it while saying they’re still going their own way……that is trolling the MGTOW definition, that is dragging a legacy through the dirt.

Thanks for reading my comments. I hope you are having a pleasant Sunday

MGTOW and the “legacy” you have attached to it are the definitions YOU have applied. Your definition of MGTOW is what it means to you. If the acronym MGTOW stands for Men Going Their OWN WAY, then by definition, there IS no definition. Going your way, and the way of others, is by itself a contradiction. That is the problem that Stardusk, and others, such as yourself haven’t grasped. If I, as an individual am the maker of my own decisions than by definition of the phrase itself, I am GOING MY OWN WAY. I am going the way that I want to go. Not the way that society has expected me to go.

Your definition of MGTOW is painting yourself into a box because what you’re trying to do is dictate how someone else goes on their journey. Which in itself makes what you’re doing, no different than the society that we have abandoned. Can you not see that? Stardusk and others are well intended, and they make valid points about the risks of modern man within society. The risk of std’s, the risk of the court system, the risk of sperm jacking and pregnancies, etc etc etc. But by the acronym’s own meaning, I cannot possibly go my own way in life, and be the determiner of my destiny if I am beholden to a set of beliefs and principles that someone else has placed on me.

Can you not see that? You’re trying to define it based on how others have defined it. But the reality is, there are MANY roads, and there cannot be a 100% definition. Because every person’s way is different. Otherwise you need to change the acronym to Men Going A Certain Way. Or Men Going a Predefined Way. At that point you have an ideology, and not a philosophy.

[GrumpyParticipant]

A bit of cherry picking on my behalf.

Gravel Pit wrote:

As convincing and attractive as this concept is, how is it different from common bachelorhood or how is it distinct in any respect apart from what the average western guy does everyday.

So millions of western men are going their own way and their needs to be a class distinction?
Non interaction with women is an unrealistic goal seeing as they are 1/2 the worlds population. Not pandering, not acquiescing, not allowing a pussy pass, not being dominated and abused by them is a noble goal and achievable. Going to extremes just puts a target on ones back and provides guilt by association for others who share the same basic ideas.

Gravel Pit wrote:

MGTOW is a JOURNEY, so I get that, we’re all on the spectrum somewhere between totally ghost monk to locked in a s~~~ty marriage or child support. Everyone is on the spectrum and usually headed across it or zig zagging it…..

IMHO
You have just answered the premise to your own topic.
If we as men going our own ways NEED to follow a set doctrine of extremism, we are no better than feminists.

Being offered sex, buying sex, asking for sex is a far cry from “pussy begging” IMHO.
But to each his own.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

GravelPit wrote: I was Terminal Meme and would argue hardcore against that John Doe guy….

WOW gravel That was b4 I found out through
an almost two year absence that my life is
manifest destiny not free will. I remember now
that john doe guy could be upset very easy.

I will have to go back and read that topic again.

I have an open mind and may have to eat some of the s~~~ I created starting that topic. We all grow as we travel forwards through time. My hats off to you and hermit for owning mistakes made at this site.

I was just planning on reading this topic without a reply until I spotted my old topic mentioned.

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

On this topic I have another poem:

Yours is yours and mine is mine,
what you believe is perfectly fine.
I’ll just sit quiet and listen in
wait until asked before I begin.

I’ll begin by telling whats true for me
without expecting you to agree
I won’t be disappointed that way
I’ll shut up again and agree with what you say

Your truth is what you say it is,
I should really never disagree
unless I have evidence otherwise.
your truth is also true for me
you should also allow what I say
is my truth and void of lies
this should not bother you
unless you find evidence otherwise.

My father once told me to never challenge
another mans truth because a mans word is
his bond and men should be taken at their
word until you have them caught in a lie.

He also never lied to me, but told me that
he created thunder and lightning.

I challenged his truth and should not have,
because he proved it was true that my earthly
father who is now my heavenly father did in
fact create thunder and lightning.

I will tell that story in another topic.
topic title “THUNDER and LIGHTNING”
will put it in FUN STUFF

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[Anonymous 38]

Thank you IRuleMe for getting across the point so eloquently and clearly.

[The_YoungParticipant 1073]

Do what you want brother. I’ll admit I still have involvement.

Brother, we need to stick together.

[HermitParticipant]

I can’t believe I was gone all weekend and this has gone this far. MGTOW Men Going Their Own Way Seems pretty simple to me. There doesn’t need to be any complications about it. I do what I want, when I want, how I want. I live alone and will always do so. If I hang out with a gal for a day, a month…..whatever. I’m still gonna’ go MY WAY. She will not be in control of me or my decisions. This shouldn’t be centered around women as to whether you’re with them or not. They no longer matter. No one, not man or woman controls me. I am in control of my life. To me, that’s what going my own way means.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[DanceMyOwnWayParticipant 2096]

Barbarossa has a gf and Stardusk said he might still have sex with a woman if it was on a plate, but felt no genuine desire to have sex. Telling other men not to have sex is laughable and they will not listen. The sex drive is basic. Now celibacy might be the safest option in today’s toxic society but I think MGTOW is more awareness of the dangers of gynocentrism, the opposite of PUA worship of pussy and mitigating those risks. It is a spectrum and treating it like a club where we get to decide who is “in” or out is interesting but futile. In a sense a man’s actions and freedom to follow his own path, not one society or women have defined for him is the freedom of going your own way and the nebulous nature of the term is also its strength as it is difficult to hit a moving target.

If you fall down 7 times, get up 8

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

deleted. Wrong thread.

You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

I enjoy women. OK, I enjoy blow jobs by women. At least they’re good for something.

NO.
Just no.
Women are barely decent at blowjobs, and I’m being generous.
Actually, among humans, women are the worst at practicing blowjobs.

The only thing women are good for is making babies.

SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

Anonymous wrote:

You aren’t being a decent MGTOW if you’re gonna imply men are WRONG or STUPID for entertaining a woman. You save all your money, or you spend it on hobbies – fine. It’s YOUR MONEY and YOUR TIME.

Indeed I said, multiple times, that paying a dinner to a woman can be okay.
Even a whole week-end in a hotel, or even a whole holiday in a resort:
it’s your money, it’s your hobby, and you know exactly how much are you gonna spending.

What’s stupid is to sign a marriage contract and palimony contract (cohabitation).
IT’S A TRAP! And you cannot know the real price you’re going to pay, but for sure it’ll be HUGE.

And I can say it’s stupid, since I signed a marriage contract once, and yeah: it’s a f~~~ing stupid thing to do.

SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.

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