Are we at war?

[PhiloParticipant 84]

I have come to see feminism (and MGTOW for that matter) as inevitable properties of western societal evolution. This is the slow back-and-forth argument between men and women that plays itself out over decades in society. Individually we tend to have the argument for ourselves well within the span of our lifetimes but society as a whole moves much slower as trends develop and ultimately play themselves out over generations.

Men were initially not even interested in even having this argument in the western world but (as usual) women forced the argument upon us. This feminist rooted gender argument has been heating up now for a good three generations and at this point both sides have their heels dug in rather firmly.

And that means that the really ugly “back and forth” has begun in earnest as we lumber onward toward a cease fire if not a substantial resolution. In other words, its time to pull out your smart phone and hit the video record button if you want to catch the “good stuff”.

But you should understand that an all the shouting will quiet down at some point and some on our side of the fight will have to step up and to pick up the pieces and try and glue them back together again. I supposed that is where the men’s rights movements will come into their own.

The MGTOW are ultimately today’s casualties of war on our side of this societal gender argument. I guess the question is; are we going to be able to go back into society at some point or will we find ourselves too damaged to ever go home?

This above all: to thine own self be true - William Shakespeare

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

I used to think things like that were possible. That someday I’ll find that special woman. Blah, blah, blah. They are not. Read “the manipulated man” ,

I am not a causality. I’m freed from a rigged game. I am never going back to the plantation.

As for picking up the pieces from all the damage that feminism has wrought. They broke the world let the women fix it.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

I think I understand what you are getting at. I and others are so content going our own way that we wouldn’t bother even if things got fixed. I think even more mgtow are so intoxicated with red pill rage that they could never accept it if things got fixed. They would see misandry where there is none. Just like feminist who can’t admit that women don’t have it bad. In that sense we are casualties but I sure don’t feel like one!

[AttonParticipant]

The MGTOW are ultimately today’s casualties of war on our side of this societal gender argument.

I think its a rather simple matter feminsts and by extension women turned the legal system against men. They destroyed the family and created society in its current form. MGTOW exists because like it or not the legal system is against men and they are at a disadvantage because of biology. MGTOW in its current form is a product of women’s hypergamy and nature being given power by society at large. I don’t think that MGTOW are casualties of a gender war but men who simply prefer to do other things than deal with women’s nature. I honestly don’t even think their is a war to be had other than the protection of men’s rights through education,research and activism.

I guess the question is; are we going to be able to go back into society at some point or will we find ourselves too damaged to ever go home?

How can we return when none of us have left, we all have families and most of us have a home and responsibilities.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[BDParticipant 1146]

Philo wrote:

But you should understand that an all the shouting will quiet down at some point and some on our side of the fight will have to step up and to pick up the pieces and try and glue them back together again.

MRAs fight, Mgtow is for men who don’t waste their time fighting.

I have no interest in what the feminists do or say anymore, time is valuable so I will never waste it on a feminist.

Philo wrote:

are we going to be able to go back into society at some point or will we find ourselves too damaged to ever go home?

I am in society, and I do not feel damaged at all, in fact I feel liberated, life has never been so peaceful, like a child I can chase all of my dreams. I doubt we will see much of a change in our lifetime, there are just too many manginas willing to play the game, which is totally fine by me, someone needs to entertain the harpies. Imagine if the harpies weren’t entertained, they would come irritate the rest of us. I’m thankful for manginas.

Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.

[HitmanParticipant]

I’m not in a war because I’m not fighting any one. .leave that to the mra’s..who wants to fight? ..I just want to be left alone. .I had enough fighting with the ex wife! ..

[SpacemonkeyParticipant 1481]

I agree with the last couple of posts. Mgtow are not at war because we refuse to fight, we do not wish to fight as we do not recognise the enemy as being worth the effort in the sane way as mike tyson would not want to fight a 6 year old. The path of the mgrow is to turn the other cheek and simply walk away. The enemy needs us to fight them in order to give them validity, by refusing to fight we not only infuriate them but we rob them of meaning.

“Long is the way and hard, that out of Hell leads up to light.”

[RoyDalParticipant]

BD wrote:

MRAs fight, Mgtow is for men who don’t waste their time fighting.

Says it for me.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[TheroniusParticipant 975]

I am not out of society. I still have friends and acquaintances, business contacts, and family. I’m not off the grid in a shack in Montana, or hiding out in the desert. I never left society, just dodged the marriage and family paradigm and its unworkable demands. That is not “society”, just a little part of it. We all choose in what and how deeply to immerse ourselves. As far as I can tell all I am missing is a lot of trouble and expense. Everything else is still there if I want it.
I am also not at war, or don’t see myself as such. I am not fighting to get back to anything, and I have no interest in rebuilding anything. What’s gone is gone, and it’s never coming back. Nothing ever goes back, it goes forward to what will be. Expecting a return to anything is a nostalgic pipe dream embraced by the gynocracy that drove us away. I just want to live the rest of my life as I like. I don’t want any solution that involves me getting back in the old game, and I don’t want to fight anyone over it. F~~~ it.
The future belongs to folks younger than I. Good or bad, something new will grow out of the current situation. They can fight for what’s to come, but they will do it without me. I will stay out of the way. I am on the sidelines, eating popcorn.

"I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence?" - George Carlin

[Anonymous 24]

I have dodged all things that would enslave me since going MGTOW. Marriage, Military Service, Mortgages, Credit debt… I have no fight in me on any real level other than speaking truth. I do not seek out people in my life to lecture, but on the other hand I am not afraid to say what I feel when asked for my opinion on any given topic. Neutral I guess on all levels, no war to be fought, just a life to be lived.

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

If a war between men and women ever happened, who do you think would fight it? Men against men. Women are too weak and spineless to do anything for themselves. There’s no glory in this sort of thing, I’m living for me, not because I’m selfish, but because the world is content on making me miserable while in the service for someone else. I’ll be on an island somewhere watching these feminists each themselves alive.

Cheers from the Caribbean.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[TheroniusParticipant 975]

Anonymous wrote:

no war to be fought, just a life to be lived.

Yup!

"I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence?" - George Carlin

[hellraiderParticipant 2837]

Yes, we are at war, make no mistakes about it.

Women want to win everything and resort to anything to get there way.

But i believe mgtow will just grow and grow as more and more men wake up to reality.

Just look at japan or south korea.
Japan has 70% mgtow man and if by some miracle women wake up and accept reality i dont think mgtow man are going back to the “good old days” of blue pill hell.

[AscendedParticipant 698]

We are not at gender wars. We however are at big conflicts.

We MGTOWs went our own way, not into the battlefield.
Since we see the consequences or for those who unfortunately found themselves being screwed over, there is no point fighting for it because guess what? You can argue with the wall. That’s how it is.

We don’t fight. We retreated and live in peace.

"We are free to follow our own path. There are those who will take that freedom from us, and too many of you gladly give it. But it is our ability to choose – whatever you think is true – that makes us human. There is no book or teacher to give you the answers, to show you the path. Choose your own way! Do not follow me, or anyone else."

[Darth TyrannusParticipant 349]

I think gender positions are all dependent on the availability of resources let me explain…

Before 20th century/ patriarchical leadership

Mid 20th century/soft patriarchy

Late 20th to 21st century/feminism

So observing these time periods primary reason is RESOURCES that dictate which gender has more power. When there’s male scarcity or high death rates then the male is in charge but now when there’s female scarcity or lower death rates? You see modern day feminism in fact Turd Flinging Monkey himself touches on the subjects flawlessly.

[Anonymous 12]

MGTOW is a result of Feminism and women making men feel like s~~~ and continually doing so until men felt the only option was to walk away completely and make their own rules.

Feminism is part of Socialism which is about disrupting society, what better way to do that then to start a gender war which results in less people being born, immigrants having to be shipped in to boost the population, men being paid less due to women now working etc.

So yes, we are at war, the Socialists are great at dividing people and they have started a gender war.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

The concept of MGTOW has been around for centuries. You’re looking at v.2016 right now, but the intros are chock full of men who always thought they were living on an island… until recently.

From Galileo to Schopenhauer to Tesla, to Professor Higgins, it’s not a product of feminism. MGTOW is like fire which has always existed – and always does – even when you don’t see it. It takes a spark or a lightning bolt to ignite it, but it’s always there.

Feminism is just gasoline.

The “war” of the sexes is age old as well. And it ends here. Women will fight, argue, shame… anything to accept that some men just don’t want them and have no time for their s~~~. “Plane” and simple.

“I have no time for a wife and an airplane”.
– Wilbur Wright

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

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