"ARE FEMINISTS MAN HATERS? FEMINISTS’ AND NONFEMINISTS’ ATTITUDES TOWARD MEN"

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

The student worker that works in my office just asked me to print something titled “ARE FEMINISTS MAN HATERS? FEMINISTS’ AND NONFEMINISTS’ ATTITUDES TOWARD MEN.”  It’s for some project she’s doing.  She’s a “women’s studies” major, surprise surprise.

I copied and pasted the “conclusion” below, as the entire article she needed me to print out for her is extremely lengthy.

CONCLUSION:

The present study examined feminists’ compared to nonfeminists’ attitudes toward men and whether there are ethnic variations in the relationship between feminist identification and attitudes toward men. Nonfeminists reported higher levels of hostility toward men than did feminists.  Perhaps nonfeminists, similar to the women in genderstratified nations in Glick et al. (2004), support a system in which women are simultaneously required to privilege men, while tending to resent their differential power. Studies with predominantly White participants have found that hostility toward men and benevolence toward men are correlated with sexist attitudes toward women (Glick & Fiske, 1999). Thus, those who believe that men should protect women and that women should take care of men at home also tend to believe that women need protection because they are inferior to men.  The frequent claims that feminism is a form of male bashing and that feminists are man haters have the combined effect of serving the forces of institutional and individual sexism and, at the same time, interrupting the potential for solidarity between women in its apparent pitting of one woman against another in competition for men (see Cataldi, 1995). In general, feminism, whether in the form of ideological systems, women’s studies courses, or individual attitudes and behavior, does not express or promote the idea that men are bad.  Feminism, in addition to providing a set of core values of equal access to power, prestige, and resources, critiques not individual men but instead the underlying systems that produce male domination and privilege. As Cataldi (1995) has argued, oversimplifying and overgeneralizing feminism as male bashing trivializes and belittles the difficult and complex work involved in social critique and social movements. The man-hater stereotype serves as a scare tactic to frighten people away from the notion of feminism, even when their actual values and beliefs might be characterized as feminist.

She’s also asking me to take a survey.  I think you guys would have a good time with this:

Feminist Perspectives Scale

Please indicate the extent that you agree or disagree with the statements below, using the following scale (put the number that corresponds to your level of agreement with each statement in its corresponding blank):

1 = strongly disagree
2 = moderately disagree
3 = somewhat disagree
4 = undecided
5 = somewhat agree
6 = moderately agree
7 = strongly agree

______1. A man’s first responsibility is to obtain economic success, while his wife should care for the family’s needs.

______2. Whether one chooses a traditional or alternative family form should be a matter of personal choice.

______3. Using “man” to mean both men and women is one of many ways sexist language destroys women’s existence.

______4. Making women economically dependent on men is capitalism’s subtle way of encouraging heterosexual relationships.

______5. Prostitution grows out of the male culture of violence and male values of social control.

______6. Racism and sexism make double the oppression for women of color in the work environment.

______7. Homosexuals need to be rehabilitated into normal members of society.

______8. People should define their marriage and family roles in ways that make them feel most comfortable.

______9. Sex role stereotypes are only one symptom of the larger system of patriarchal power, which is the true source of women’s subordination.

______10. The way to eliminate prostitution is to make women economically equal to men.

______11. Putting women in positions of political power would bring about new systems of government that promote peace.

______12. Women of color have less legal and social service protection from being battered that White women have.

______13. It is a man’s right and duty to maintain order in his family by whatever means necessary.

______14. The availability of adequate child care is central to a woman’s right to work outside the home.

______15. The workplace is organized around men’s physical, economic, and sexual oppression of women.

______16. Capitalism hinders a poor woman’s chance to obtain adequate prenatal medical care or an abortion.

______17. Traditional notions of romantic love should be replaced with ideas based on feminine values of kindness and concern for all people.

______18. Women of color are oppressed by White standards of beauty.

______19. Women should not be assertive like men because men are the natural leaders on earth.

______20. Homosexuality is not a moral issue, but rather a question of liberty and freedom of expression.

______21. Men use abortion laws and reproductive technology to control women’s lives.

______22. It is the capitalist system which forces women to be responsible fore child care.

______23. Women’s experiences in life’s realities of cleaning, feeding people, caring for babies, etc., makes their vision of reality clearer than men’s.

______24. In rape programs and workshops, not enough attention has been given to the special needs of women of color.

______25. Heterosexuality is the only natural sexual preference.

______26. Women should try to influence legislation in order to gain the right to make their own decisions and choices.

______27. Men prevent women from becoming political leaders through their control of economic and political institutions.

______28. Capitalism forces most women to wear feminine clothes to keep a job.

______29. Rape is best stopped by replacing the current male-oriented culture of violence with an alternative culture based on more gentle, womanly qualities.

______30. Discrimination in the workplace is worse for women of color than for all men and White women.

31. Do you identify yourself as a “feminist”? no_____ yes_____

*Full scale contains 88 items (including behavioral items, not included in this subset)

*To obtain your score for each perspective, add up your responses to its corresponding items. Scores on each perspective can range from 5 to 35, with greater scores indicating greater endorsement of that particular variant of feminism.

Liberal Feminist Perspective: items 2, 8, 14, 20, 26.

Sum score: _______

Radical Feminist Perspective: items 3, 9, 15, 21, 27.

Sum score: _______

Socialist Feminist Perspective: items 4, 10, 16, 22, 28.

Sum score: _______

Cultural Feminist Perspective: items 5, 11, 17, 23, 29.

Sum score: _______

Women of Color Feminist (Womanist) Perspective: items 6, 12, 18, 24, 30.

Sum score: _______

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Conservatism: items 1, 7, 13, 19, 25 (not a feminist perspective; these items serve to contrast with feminist items, inversely relating to items from the 5 feminist perspectives).

Sum score: _______

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Isn’t it hilarious how the “Conservatism” section is separated from the rest of them?  “These items serve to contrast with feminist items”, so fragging what!?  Maybe that’s a good thing!  When she asked if I’d take the test, I just laughed.  I’m not being tested by her…in more ways than one.

[Anonymous 1]

Couldn’t read everything…

The amount of stupidity is over 9000!

[Lazarus LongParticipant 365]

I would not fill out the survey. Sounds like a good way to offend her and be fired. aka:

Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self. -Terry Goodkind

[experiencedParticipant]

Actions speak louder than words. WTF is ‘said’ young woman studying feminism for?  Where’s her dad?  The one who’d say, “Honey you can study that all you want, as a non paying hobby, after you’ve established yourself as a xxxxxxx and your career is solidly advancing. You don’t go to college to work really hard on playing. Working really hard on playing is… playing – that’s why fem degrees are worthless. Think of how much she could have advantaged herself by taking a productive major.” In three years, as others have said, she’ll know she eff’d up, but no problem, she’ll leech a guy.

 

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[RoyDalParticipant]

OK, I’ll bite…

Feminist Perspectives Scale

Please indicate the extent that you agree or disagree with the statements below, using the following scale (put the number that corresponds to your level of agreement with each statement in its corresponding blank):

1 = strongly disagree
2 = moderately disagree
3 = somewhat disagree
4 = undecided
5 = somewhat agree
6 = moderately agree
7 = strongly agree

___1___1. A man’s first responsibility is to obtain economic success, while his wife should care for the family’s needs.
(A man’s first responsibility is to himself. No wife needed or wanted.)

___7___2. Whether one chooses a traditional or alternative family form should be a matter of personal choice.
(My choice: Single.)

___1___3. Using “man” to mean both men and women is one of many ways sexist language destroys women’s existence.
(Horse apples! “Man is short for “mankind” and not … oh hell, why bother.)

___1___4. Making women economically dependent on men is capitalism’s subtle way of encouraging heterosexual relationships.
(Ain’t no women dependent on me — except for my tax dollars going to all those welfare mothers, but I guess that doesn’t count.)

___1___5. Prostitution grows out of the male culture of violence and male values of social control.
(Every culture on Earth has some form of prostitution. It’s built in to the human race.)

___1___6. Racism and sexism make double the oppression for women of color in the work environment.
(Incompetence and chronic disruption of the workplace have lots more to do with it.)

___1___7. Homosexuals need to be rehabilitated into normal members of society.
(They do their thing. I do my thing. What they do is up to them only, as long as they don’t try to coerce me into anything.)

___7___8. People should define their marriage and family roles in ways that make them feel most comfortable.
(Agreed! The state and justice system should have nothing to do with it! No more divorce courts!)

___1___9. Sex role stereotypes are only one symptom of the larger system of patriarchal power, which is the true source of women’s subordination.
(Men and women are different. There is no way around it.

___1___10. The way to eliminate prostitution is to make women economically equal to men.
(There will always be prostitutes, in one form or another.)

____1__11. Putting women in positions of political power would bring about new systems of government that promote peace.
(Not likely. Women love stirring up trouble — all the more so among men.)

___1___12. Women of color have less legal and social service protection from being battered that White women have.
(Not these days they don’t.)

___1___13. It is a man’s right and duty to maintain order in his family by whatever means necessary.
(Duty, yes. Right, no; that was taken away about a century ago.)

___1___14. The availability of adequate child care is central to a woman’s right to work outside the home.
(And who are these angels who are taking care of her biological children while she is away?)

___1___15. The workplace is organized around men’s physical, economic, and sexual oppression of women.
(In fact, the opposite is true these days. Unless it is a dangerous, dirty, or difficult job. Those the males can have.)

___1___16. Capitalism hinders a poor woman’s chance to obtain adequate prenatal medical care or an abortion.
(In most of the western world, an abortion clinic is a short commute.)

___7___17. Traditional notions of romantic love should be replaced with ideas based on feminine values of kindness and concern for all people.
(Do away with “romantic love” altogether!)

___1___18. Women of color are oppressed by White standards of beauty.
(Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.)

___7___19. Women should not be assertive like men because men are the natural leaders on earth.
(Men are good at cooperating in large groups. Men are good at decisive action. Men are good at responding constructively to emergencies. Women are good at the opposites of these.)

___7___20. Homosexuality is not a moral issue, but rather a question of liberty and freedom of expression.
(The more males who are out of the closet, the less competition for me. The more females out of the closet, the fewer false starts for me.)

___1___21. Men use abortion laws and reproductive technology to control women’s lives.
(No way.)

___1___22. It is the capitalist system which forces women to be responsible fore child care.
(You misspelled “for”.)

___1___23. Women’s experiences in life’s realities of cleaning, feeding people, caring for babies, etc., makes their vision of reality clearer than men’s.
(Men have their own burdens, like getting shot in foreign lands, that women may opt to avoid.)

___1___24. In rape programs and workshops, not enough attention has been given to the special needs of women of color.
(What’s the diff? Rape is a crime no matter who is the victim.)

___7___25. Heterosexuality is the only natural sexual preference.
(Let them do their own thing, as long as it is not forced upon me.)

___7___26. Women should try to influence legislation in order to gain the right to make their own decisions and choices.
(In a democracy, yes — but only if males get to do the same.)

___1___27. Men prevent women from becoming political leaders through their control of economic and political institutions.
(It’s because they can’t get a majority of votes, and women are the majority.)

___1___28. Capitalism forces most women to wear feminine clothes to keep a job.
(Women do that voluntarily. Capitalism makes it available. You can’t get feminine clothes or cosmetics in socialist dictatorships, unless you are the wife of a high official who can afford to import it.)

___1___29. Rape is best stopped by replacing the current male-oriented culture of violence with an alternative culture based on more gentle, womanly qualities.
(You will never persuade a sociopath, except with the certainty of capture and punishment.)

___1___30. Discrimination in the workplace is worse for women of color than for all men and White women.
(These days, the opposite is true.)

31. Do you identify yourself as a “feminist”? no__X___ yes_____
(I’m not a man hater.)

*Full scale contains 88 items (including behavioral items, not included in this subset)

*To obtain your score for each perspective, add up your responses to its corresponding items. Scores on each perspective can range from 5 to 35, with greater scores indicating greater endorsement of that particular variant of feminism.

Liberal Feminist Perspective: items 2, 8, 14, 20, 26.

Sum score: _______

Radical Feminist Perspective: items 3, 9, 15, 21, 27.

Sum score: _______

Socialist Feminist Perspective: items 4, 10, 16, 22, 28.

Sum score: _______

Cultural Feminist Perspective: items 5, 11, 17, 23, 29.

Sum score: _______

Women of Color Feminist (Womanist) Perspective: items 6, 12, 18, 24, 30.

Sum score: _______
(Do this yourself! What am I, a walking adding machine?)

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Conservatism: items 1, 7, 13, 19, 25 (not a feminist perspective; these items serve to contrast with feminist items, inversely relating to items from the 5 feminist perspectives).

Sum score: _______
(Do this yourself! What am I, a walking adding machine?)

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Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[narwhalParticipant]

The conclusion is crap, simply because I fail to see much of a difference between a feminist and non-feminist.   The typical woman will change her view on gender relations to best suit her current needs at will.   Unless you are able to factor out the ‘what day of the month’ it is, the experiment is tainted.

As for the survey, I started laughing at question #3.  #4, exactly who is doing this?  #5, prostitution is about violence?  I thought it was about sex.

#6 No.  No one is oppressed until they are actually oppressed.

#7  No

#8 No, they should come to an agreement on what works, not what gives them nice feels.

#9 Sex role stereotypes are a symptom of women behaving in a way that matches said stereotype.

#10 No.  Prostitution will end when women stop accepting money for sex or when women start having sex with no strings attached.

#11  Hell no.  Instead of having wars over oil, we will have wars about what country A said about company B when we thought they weren’t listening.

#12 I have no idea.

#13 Not by whatever means necessary.  I see what you tried to do there.

#14 No.

#15 No.  It’s organized to get the job done at the lowest cost.

#16 No.  Capitalism hinders a poor person’s chance to do anything.  It doesn’t seek out women.

#17 You can do whatever you want with that.

#18 WTF?

#19 No.  Assertiveness gets s~~~ done.  If you want to get s~~~ done, be assertive.

#20 Neither.

#21  I think you got the words men and women mixed up there.

#22 It’s that evil biology, not capitalism.

#23 You would think that be true, but it’s the exact opposite.

#24 Why do women of color have special needs when it comes to rape?

#25 No

#26 You already have the right to make your own choices.

#27 No

#28 No.  How the hell does economic policy influence women’s fashions?

#29 Rape is best stopped the same way car theft is best stopped.  Don’t have your valuables exposed for everyone to see.  Don’t park in it in bad neighborhood, and keep it locked.

#30 discrimination has greater potential for whoever is the minority at your workplace.

#31 Don’t make me laugh.

The survey should be titled “What kind of nut job” are you.  Didn’t intend to go through the whole list, but there, it happened.

Ok. Then do it.

[Executor MaxwellParticipant 591]

Governor Megachris% wrote:

______7. Homosexuals need to be rehabilitated into normal members of society.

Tell her: what does she mean normal? and that your were deeply offended by her extremely heinous displays of homophobia in phrasing the question in such a way.

Let her hamster that one up for a bit.

[BritGHOWParticipant 2566]

Anonymous wrote:

Couldn’t read everything…

The amount of stupidity is over 9000!

I did read everything, I concur with your assessment.

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

I deactivated that trap quite quickly.  I wasn’t falling for it.

I also couldn’t help but laugh to myself because at my job, I’m certainly allowed to play some music/talk radio/YouTube in the background to kill time as I work (it helps me focus anyway, strangely enough).  I was listening to a video by Johntheother about a week ago, and he was talking about mattress girl.  Student worker comes up behind me and starts listening in.

Her: “I don’t think that’s something you should be listening to, especially here!”  She said it in a semi-sarcastic tone (she’s “playful” by nature apparently), but I knew she meant it regardless.

Fast-forward to just about an hour ago.  I go into the file room (where she works) and she’s watching a video by Ted Talks titled “why everyone should be a feminist.”  It took SO much in me not to tell her the same exact thing.  Then again, I’d rather not lose my job over something so trivial.

One other random occurrence earlier:  She brought me a file that she needed me to look up and asked what I know about it.  Well, the name of the person who’s file I was researching was named “Jennifer.”  When I told her “well, it’s a female,” the student worker told me I was “gender stereotyping.”  Good sweet mother of pearl, Tumblr in real life.

[Helen be DamnedParticipant 480]

Wtf is an “alternative family?” Damn you stupid c~~~s to some level of hell where all your worst fears are realized and amplified to ungodly levels for your incessant f~~~ing need to LABEL GODDAMN EVERYTHING!!! If there were a need for this term, I’m pretty sure we already had what it meant somewhere else.

Furthermore, these f~~~ing surveys had to be invented by women, because they are f~~~ing worthless as any kind of assessment. God I hate colleges for encouraging this bulls~~~. F~~~ing c~~~s everywhere and all I want is for them to shut the f~~~ up.

"You can keep your soul, I don't want a cell-mate." - Them Crooked Vultures

[peterfaParticipant 833]

Of course she singled you out for gender stereotying, you’re a male. You could have fired back and asked her, “What gender do you say I am?” and she’ll say, “You’re a patriarchy oppressor, you’re a male,” then say, “Of which features do you recognize that sum up to that label?” Either she’ll start yammering her way out of it or she’ll admit it. You can then say, “those are all stereotypical. You’re enforcing the patriarchy on me. Please respect my gender fluidity. You only said that because you assumed I am a male for those features.”

It won’t work but you can dream, I guess.

[ValleyFever101Participant 84]

The main problem with feminism is not the issue of “equal rights,” but that it created an artificial perspective on society which never really existed in the first place.

What sort of alternate reality would one have to live in to make someone believe that a black male living as a slave on a Southern plantation would actually be more “privileged” than the white female wife of the plantation owner?  While that may be an extreme example, this is the perception that a feminist would have us believe as “reality.”

Their entire view on history paints a picture of a neverending war and struggle between men and women – as if nothing else ever happened in all of human history.  Listening to the feminist view on history, no one would ever learn anything about wars between tribes or nations – or about the struggles of the poor and downtrodden or any peasant uprisings or revolutions to free the oppressed peoples of the world.  Nothing about the Civil War or the labor movement or how life in these United States got better and better due to so many freedom-loving, forward-thinking, and inventive people.  Feminists totally ignore all that and put an inordinate focus on what they consider “patriarchy” – which is more of a symptom and a peripheral issue – if anything.

It’s their obsession over “patriarchy” which is their discredit and undoing.  If they want to fight for justice, freedom, equality, and civil rights, then they should at least be consistent and “fight the good fight” for ALL people.  If they’re unwilling to do that, then it only proves that they don’t deserve to lead.

[DurdenParticipant 1051]

Where’s the I don’t give a s~~~ f~~~ off perspective option? Tell her to get back in the kitchen where she belongs.  

It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything

[GrumpyParticipant]

Durden wrote:

Where’s the I don’t give a s~~~ f~~~ off perspective option? Tell her to get back in the kitchen where she belongs.

I had an ex wife that actually burnt a salad, no bulls~~~. She threw a plate of dinner in the oven so it would be heated up for me when I got home a day later.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[Governor Megachris%Participant 3584]

LOL, the aforementioned student worker just came up to me and heard me listening to The Blaze radio.  She said “nobody wants to listen to white guys talk.  It’s boring.  Name one woman that you listen to.”

As a joke, I mentioned Dana Loesch off of The Blaze.

Her: “Is that the woman who says feminism is unnecessary?”

Me: “No, that’s Diana Davison [AKA Feminism LOL]”

Her: “Well, she’s stupid.  You definitely need to be educated on feminism.” (She tells me this as she’s laughing and walking away back into her work room)

If she’s just worried about me listening to “white guys,” I should let her listen to the MGTOW black guys I follow on YouTube…they’re even more honest and to the point!  They’d tear her emotions to fragging shreds.

…is it REALLY this easy to provide sources for women?  I mean, I know it is, but when facing it directly in real life….it’s HILARIOUS!  I’m not debating her though.  1) Not worth losing my job over gynocentrism, 2) Debating a woman is pointless in the end anyway.

[experiencedParticipant]

You gotta defend yourself against these man haters.

First warm up:

then grab the bull by the horns:

 

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[ComingInHotParticipant 160]

I need to know.  Can you ask her these if you have some time?

1.)Does she know why 7 choices is too many for a likert scale?

2.)Did she even run SPSS to see the internal reliability, she needs an 85% or above to be taken seriously.

3.)What are the steps to conclude validity? Cause she didn’t follow them lol.

4.)Why are the questions loaded?

5.)Why are her sources so old, that is a huge NO-GO!

 

Thanks I will be patiently awaiting the response.  Is she undergrad etc and what year, because there is no f~~~ing way that is grad level work…

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I am making a point to not do surveys for any organization or anyone that isn’t able to benefit me.  They are a resource drain.  I need to demand more, and will.  That survey goes into tl;dr realm, and I would pass on it.  I am not filling it out.  Unless I am required to, or someone sells me on why, I won’t bother with it at all.  I don’t feel a need to just let people randomly in the world, with their own agendas, try to figure out how people can serve those agendas, if it doesn’t benefit me.

I understand, in a working environment like that, you may need to do it.  But I don’t have use for that personally.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[KingOfTheSeaParticipant 1270]

Governor Megachris% wrote:

LOL, the aforementioned student worker just came up to me and heard me listening to The Blaze radio. She said “nobody wants to listen to white guys talk. It’s boring. Name one woman that you listen to.” 

Wait, she said you were stereotyping because you said “Jennifer” was a woman’s name, but she automatically assumed from the voices you were listening to that they were white? Racist c~~~.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

Feminism is built upon the hatred of men.

Don’t listen to what they say, look what they have accomplished and are trying to accomplish.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

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