Any HR guys here?

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

I have been asked to provide a reference for a guy.

He is a good guy that got f~~~ed by the system.

He want me to lie. Mixed feelings about this. Soul searching. If I do this , how to pull this off?

Dont talk to me about ethics. My soul is my own. Tell me how to do this right.

If I choose tone do it.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Never lie, it will always come back to bite.

[Manspread MansplainerParticipant 4222]

It’s your reputation not his career or life choices that matter.

If women ran the world = It would become the shithole you are seeing.

[Anonymous 12]

Don’t lie. A colleague of mine once gave a truthful reference for someone and this person got the job. A few weeks later my colleague got a phone call from the employer telling them that they hired this person based on his reference.

Turns out that although this guy was great as far as my colleague knew, after he left he went downhill, started to drink and was turning up to work late and f~~~ing up.

So even telling the truth in these situations can backfire on you. So never lie.

[ghostParticipant]

Do not lie. I would find an excuse to provide him so he is not offended, but I would not lie under any circumstance.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22510]

I think if you have mixed feeling about it, there’s your answer. That’s what I think.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22510]

Also, okay he got f~~~ed by the system and to you he is a good guy.

Do you know he is a good worker and competent?

Are you willing to risk damaging your personal reputation if you vouch for him and he isn’t a good worker or starts falling apart?

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[Anonymous 43]

Jan, Please do not lie, maintain your integrity at all costs. Some days, your good name is all you have. Explain to your friend that is a line you can not cross.

This may be a s~~~ test in disguise.

[FrankOneParticipant 1417]

Formal policy where I’ve worked is for HR to deal with it, and then only give dates when employee commenced work and when they left. Employment law has made this a NIGHTMARE. As a result, all ‘references’ ever tell you, is to confirm WHEN they worked and in what position(s) not how WELL they worked, whether they showed up, why they were terminated, or any other USEFUL information.

Then there is the situation where you are still working for a company but applying elsewhere; who do you use as a reference for current employer? You don’t want them to know you are looking.

Last week, we were assessing an employee I’d worked with at another company. For ONCE I actually had ‘inside information’ on their qualifications and competence.

I would try to EXPLAIN how he was f~~~ed by the system, his resilience, etc and not try to HIDE it from a prospective employer.

Lots of people who ‘screwed up’ in the past can be good workers. We have MULTIPLE employees with the ‘special plates’ (DUI convictions), but they’re good workers… at least for now, haha.

[DarkRyuParticipant 2354]

Need more information. Are you posing as a past employer? Do you work at the company that he’s trying to get a job at? If what he does after he’s hired can f~~~ you in the ass, then don’t do it. As for HOW to do it:

1. Choose a domain name of a fake company and buy it along with some hosting. Godaddy is the quickest and easiest.

2. Head on over to themeforest.net and choose a relevant theme for your website (I recommend using WordPress and using Godaddy’s “managed WordPress” hosting).

3. Throw up the website.

4. Head on over to virginmobileusa.com and buy the cheapest phone they have. Virgin Mobile allows you to change your phone number whenever you want for free and offers great service for the money. Make sure to use this phone number on your website and on your Google listing.

5. Make a bunch of business listings for the site across websites like YP.com, Yellow Book, Super Pages, Yelp, Bing Places for Business, etc.

6. Within 30 days Google should pick up your new fake address and make a Google local listing for it (so it will show up on the map). It’s best to choose a large office building as the address so the potential employer can’t look at the street view on Google and see that the address is actually “Donut Joe’s” and not whatever BS business you made up.

7. Buy another smartphone from Virgin Mobile and get another number that’s very similar to the one you already have.

8. Head on over to Fiverr.com and order a few voiceover packages. Make a professional sounding message to use on the answering machine of both the main line, and the second line (which you’ll use directly on the resume).

9. Use the fake company and the direct line to the supervisor or whoever on your resume. If your supervisor is supposed to be a man, order a male voiceover. Same thing if she’s supposed to be female.

Most employers won’t bother to call your past employers and if they do, they just want to make sure they’re real. Getting a voicemail message that says their EXACT NAME is enough for most potential employers.

If they do leave a message, simply call them back the next day and apologize saying that the person they called is out sick / had a family emergency / whatever, but you’re filling in for them and would be happy to answer any questions they have. That’s 3 “people” at this fake company. No potential employer is going to get suspicious of this.

I’ve done this in the past to help friends qualify for a rental when they didn’t have a job (or without 2 constant years of employment under their belt), and help other friends to get a job. Quite ironic that. Paystubs are also easy to fake, as are tax returns. Just make sure they don’t sign a form allowing the potential employer/landlord/whatever obtain transcripts directly from the IRS, as you CANNOT fake those.

[It’sallbsParticipant]

I would lie because in most workplace being agood employee means being aweak little blue pill ass kissing bitch who puts up with unfair treatment and being pushe daorudn if you aint they sack you even if you stand up for yourself in teh right way.ITS HAPPENED TO ME SO MANY TIMES.

http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

[Manspread MansplainerParticipant 4222]

DarkRyu wrote:

I’ve done this in the past to help friends qualify for a rental when they didn’t have a job (or without 2 constant years of employment under their belt), and help other friends to get a job.

@darkryu
You sir are a genius.
Good Lord!
I can see you sitting at a desk with several world time zone clocks set behind you on the wall, six computer screens showing graphs and spreadsheets and a waiting room full of magazines, chairs, and a water cooler.

…For a shell company smuggling diamonds and guns.

If women ran the world = It would become the shithole you are seeing.

[KevinStylesParticipant 2580]

I wouldn’t outright lie, maybe fudge the truth a little so it seems not as bad as reality. Also you don’t need to elaborate, answer the question directly and don’t volunteer any information especially if it’s negative information.

[DarkRyuParticipant 2354]

Manspread Mansplainer wrote:

DarkRyu wrote:

I’ve done this in the past to help friends qualify for a rental when they didn’t have a job (or without 2 constant years of employment under their belt), and help other friends to get a job.

@darkryu
You sir are a genius.
Good Lord!
I can see you sitting at a desk with several world time zone clocks set behind you on the wall, six computer screens showing graphs and spreadsheets and a waiting room full of magazines, chairs, and a water cooler.

…For a shell company smuggling diamonds and guns.

Well, I’ve only done what I had to do for myself and my buddies. The world is NOT fair and unless you fit in this perfect little box, no one wants anything to do with you. God forbid you fall on hard times and haven’t been constantly employed at one place for the last 2+ years. Good luck getting a rental then. It’s just ridiculous! Just like EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYER requiring that you have “past experience” for an “entry level” position.

Unless you’re absolutely perfect and have never fallen on hard times, this world makes it so you HAVE to lie! Sorta like being homeless (I’m talking about REALLY homeless without a car or any real possessions). There’s no way in HELL you can get out of your situation without help. You’re homeless because you don’t have a job, and you can’t get a job because you’re homeless! It’s the chicken and the egg dilemma – the unsolvable puzzle.

F~~~ this world and all its BULLS~~~! I’ve done a lot of things in the past that weren’t on the up and up, but I’ve always followed my personal code and have made sure that my actions haven’t hurt anybody. Society itself is the problem, not me. Things need to change so that people that aren’t perfect can actually live. Once you fall off the wagon, there’s no way to get back on without help. And you’re spit on and ridiculed for falling off and expected to pull yourself up by people that have never fallen off themselves and have NO IDEA what it’s like.

Personally, I’ve never fallen off. I’ve done whatever it takes to move forward. I’ve had a few setbacks, but have always had lots of savings so that I don’t end up f~~~ed. But I’ve seen quite a few people get totally f~~~ed by the system through no fault of their own. It’s not right, and I do whatever I can to help those that have fallen on hard times, so long as it wasn’t due to their own laziness or stupidity. Now making a mistake (even if it’s a BIG one), doesn’t necessarily make you stupid. It’s repeating the same pattern over and over again and getting f~~~ed over and over again that shows your stupidity.

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