Another reason for MGTOW to mean men who don't marry (aren't married)

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Just my brief visit while I have internet access to do this over the weekend, based on the travel and so on. Yes, I am in the new city, and getting settled into the new job.

So, I was going through YouTube again, and seeing the whole “MGTOW can marry”, etc… There is the desire for “My Own Way” part of MGTOW to be MGTOW. Well, this is another observation.

Say, they want to make MGTOW just “My Own Way” then what in the hell label is going to be used for men who don’t marry? It is like the MRM/AVFM who end up pushing that bull, end up not feeling that men who won’t marry don’t have their own issues and perspective on the world different from the married man. It is just treat all men as one big cluster of ducks, and again ignore the issues that men who don’t marry face. That is what they want, because OBVIOUSLY all men are EXACTLY the same, and have the same issues, and you might as well push them all into marrying also.

Well, there is a reality going on behind MGTOW,. no matter what the MRAs think to the contrary, that would require another level. But, of course, the MRAs would then want to assume that new label also and say it is ok for those men to marry to and have that label.

Pardon this rant here. I am here for a few days, then back to very limited Internet.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[prmai49Participant 52]

I feel like you can be a mgtow and have a relationship where at any point, you can cut the strings. But you cannot be a mgtow and choose to marry, because by marrying you relinquish your “own” way. Obviously this doesn’t include the men who become mgtow after already married.

What are your thoughts?
I’m basically suggesting you can’t be a mgtow and choose to marry because you no longer can go your own way.

[HitmanParticipant]

MARRIAGE SUCKS ! unless your female , then it’s legalized EXTORTION !

[MadmanParticipant 772]

Married MGTOW is bulls~~~. This is probably just avfm BS way of attacking us. All the dooshy hipsters will sign up for MGTOW now.

[Anonymous 5]

There’s mountains of proof, just on these boards alone, that men can be MGTOW leaders in thought,,,while still in a marriage contract.

However, if someone claims to be MGTOW, THEN GETS INTO A MARRIAGE CONTRACT,,,,,,,,,they clearly don’t understand the NAWALT to AWALT principle.

[HitmanParticipant]

your own way DOES NOT INCLUDE A WIFE ! my opinion ..

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

prmai49 wrote:

I feel like you can be a mgtow and have a relationship where at any point, you can cut the strings. But you cannot be a mgtow and choose to marry, because by marrying you relinquish your “own” way. Obviously this doesn’t include the men who become mgtow after already married.
What are your thoughts?I’m basically suggesting you can’t be a mgtow and choose to marry because you no longer can go your own way.

I like your take on this here, about having the ability to cut the strings. Yes, a guy can do a divorce, but my take on marriage is you don’t. it becomes really hard, to impossible, to be in marriage, have it work, and have your own autonomy really drive things (I see this as a core part of MGTOW). MAYBE a guy can get a woman who is THAT submissive, but she won’t really bring anything to the table new, and will just be clinging on to the guy.

The thing I was saying here is the AVFM pushing married MGTOW (men who are single marrying, which is different than being married and realizing you shouldn’t be, or living that way separated), is they would then need to have yet another name for what MGTOW is put on MGTOW. I doubt they would do this though,. They are too busy wanting to have all men lumped together as one thing so they can try to liberate them together.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

MGTOW is Men Going Your Own Way. You cannot Go Your Own Way when you are under contractual obligation to the government to slave away for some woman. “Married MGTOW” makes about as much sense as “Slaves Going their Own Way”. It’s tautologically impossible. Anyone who claims to be “Married MGTOW” is as full of s~~~ as someone claiming FEMinism is about equality.

There is a way for married men to Go Their Own Way. It’s DIVORCE. If you lack the stones for that, you are not a MGHOW.

[DDJParticipant 1880]

One of the most important things about MGTOW is that it’s the philosophy of “your way.” Whatever you choose…it’s your choice…f~~~ anyone else who tries to dictate marriage or lack thereof to you. Either way to marry or not to marry is irrelevant…this is just a strawman argument to incite unnecessary debate. It’s like that feminist either you are with me or against me false duality mentality.

MGTOW make their own decisions individually…there is no club…no membership…no organization…this website is merely an online pub where men can meet and discuss their individual philosophies, vent, and support each other.

Don’t let yourselves get sucked into unnecessary drama…that’s for women.

Every woman is a slut, if you catch her on the right day.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

DDJ wrote:

Whatever you choose…it’s your choice…f~~~ anyone else who tries to dictate marriage or lack thereof to you.

LOL no. You’re basically saying that slaves somehow aren’t slaves if for some f~~~ed up reason they willingly choose slavery. That’s not how it works. Once you marry it’s NOT your choice any more. Once you get trapped into baby jail, it’s NOT your choice any more.

Marriage and MGTOW are mutually exclusive concepts. Deal with it.

[DDJParticipant 1880]

sidecar wrote:

DDJ wrote:

Whatever you choose…it’s your choice…f~~~ anyone else who tries to dictate marriage or lack thereof to you.

LOL no. You’re basically saying that slaves somehow aren’t slaves if for some f~~~ed up reason they willingly choose slavery. That’s not how it works. Once you marry it’s NOT your choice any more. Once you get trapped into baby jail, it’s NOT your choice any more.
Marriage and MGTOW are mutually exclusive concepts. Deal with it.

I’m basically saying EXACTLY what I said…as a MGTOW man…I say EXACTLY what I mean…no more…no less. Each MGTOW makes decisions for themselves only…what is right for you, may not be right for everyone else.

Women try to dictate how a man thinks. Men respect one another…even when they disagree. We disagree…I respect that. Do you?

Every woman is a slut, if you catch her on the right day.

[ToadParticipant 271]

One of the most important things about MGTOW is that it’s the philosophy of “your way.” Whatever you choose…it’s your choice…f~~~ anyone else who tries to dictate marriage or lack thereof to you. Either way to marry or not to marry is irrelevant…

so, every man on earth is a MGTOW because unless you are in North Korea you can do whatever you want… married, having kids, not married, have girlfriend, not having one, be a true force loneliness, be and mangina, a white knight, everybody…Why not?… let’s join everybody in the club, guys…
i don’t try to start a argument here, because as a MGTOW i don’t care about what other people thinks, but i respect you… i simply can be with you in this…
i can be a MGTOW and a feminist at the same time because a MGTOW can do whatever he wants with “his way”, right?…
now i get it…

[HyperionParticipant 34]

I had already thought about it.
If “MGTOW” is “Men Going Your Own Way” you could marry saying that is “Your Own Way”.
You can say “I will let my girlfriend dictate what I have to do” and call it “My Own Way” because that is the way I choose.

I don´t support that.

[RedDawnParticipant 1391]

Everyone seems to be fixated on labels these days, with the idea that everything has to be quantifiable or it is implausible. It’s like worrying about nutrients in food currently and having a poorer state of health than our ancestors who just ate the food they hunted, gathered and grew. To me there doesn’t need to be a label, just do what you do and quit worrying over semantics.

I never liked the previous MGTOW level system because it was at odds of the whole ideology of doing your own thing.

Though what I will say is that marriage is in juxtaposition with MGTOW as an ideology; at its roots it was based on the injustices against men in society, in particular the institution of marriage.

You can be aware of the nature of society and women, but that in itself doesn’t make you MGTOW.

It is afterall about going your own way (not with another).

Courage is the key to life itself - Morgan Freeman

[Wolf redpillmanSpectator 1658]

Lol no way.in hell.you can be a mgtow and married that just ridiculous mgtow number one rule,never ever ever ever get youself into a Marriages contract

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Richard, you’re doing it again….. and far over-thinking it.

No. A MGHOW cannot be married. Because the agency he has over his future no longer belongs to him. Exclamation point. And, “going your own way” is the total opposite off sharing your life with your beloved wife.

Stop listening to those irrelevant clowns. They have been getting high on their own supply and smoking too much estrogen. Just like a feminist, AVFEMME and Paula Shelamb will say ANYTHING for attention. “MGTOW can be married!!! Fat women are beautiful !!!! Pregnancy is sexy!!!!”

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[GrumpyParticipant]

I can’t be going my own way when someone else is dictating what “My Own Way” is.

Keymaster wrote:

No. A MGHOW cannot be married. Because the agency he has over his future no longer belongs to him. Exclamation point. And, “going your own way” is the total opposite off sharing your life with your beloved wife.

Exactly. To me, marriage in any sense of the word, is surrendering MY AGENCY ( in my understanding of agency), to another person who does NOT share the responsibility nor obligations yet feels entitled to all the benefits, and is back up by LAWS to enforce my compliance.

Marriage, like crack, is not beneficial to MY survival. So I don’t partake in it.

There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Keymaster wrote:

Richard, you’re doing it again….. and far over-thinking it.
No. A MGHOW cannot be married. Because the agency he has over his future no longer belongs to him. Exclamation point. And, “going your own way” is the total opposite off sharing your life with your beloved wife.
Stop listening to those irrelevant clowns. They have been getting high on their own supply and smoking too much AVFM. Just like a feminist, AFVM and Paula Shelamb will say ANYTHING for attention.

I was just pointing out there is a valid demographic of men who aren’t married that having a label for is of value, not just for knowing, but also going the unmarried route has different needs than a married man does. So, it needs to exist and is valid. That was it. I do have limited for the Internet, so I was posting this.

Anyhow, I keep running into stuff like this, because of how my YouTube channel is set up, and what content comes in.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

DDJ wrote:

Each MGTOW makes decisions for themselves only…what is right for you, may not be right for everyone else.

And marriage isn’t right for any man. If you believe otherwise, then you really don’t understand what marriage is.

More to the point, this whole “MGTOW is whatever you want it to be” bulls~~~ you’re pushing is just that: bulls~~~. This is not about some silly thing like labels or badges or club membership. This is about the meaning of words. You are not just trying to redefine MGTOW to mean something it doesn’t; you are trying to undefine it. This whole “MGTOW can mean anything” crap that you and those sell outs over at AVfM are pushing is basically saying “MGTOW means nothing”.

F~~~ that.

MGTOW does mean something, and it does NOT include marriage.

Women try to dictate how a man thinks. Men respect one another…even when they disagree.

And feminists try to redefine words to suit themselves. Men don’t do that. But you do.

Any redefinition of MGTOW where it’s compatible with marriage is just as invalid as the feminist redefinition of “equality”.

We disagree…I respect that. Do you?

And speaking of women, this whole “agree to disagree” bulls~~~ is something they do as well.

Men don’t “agree to disagree”. Men try to learn the truth. And the truth is that MGTOW is incompatible with marriage. You’re wrong here. Moreover you’re willfully wrong. And I do NOT respect this willingness of yours to be wrong. Deal with it.

[OldBillParticipant]

“Married MGTOW” is an oxymoron. Suggesting that any and every lifestyle is a MGTOW lifestyle because everyone is going their own way is utter nonsense.

MGTOW is about maintaining as much autonomy and agency in your life as practicable. Entering into a marriage not only voluntarily surrenders your autonomy and agency to a woman, it also intimately involves the state in your life.

You cannot marry and still claim to be a MGHOW. Whatever Elam and those other assclowns at AVfM claim remember this: They’re selling memberships now.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

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