American Cluster B relations~~~

[AmericanaParticipant 4]

What I believed was the girl of my dreams turned into a complete nightmare. I met this girl last fall in my home country and we hit it off straight away. I couldn’t believe that we had so much in common and she is smokin hot i’m telling you 8/10. She was travelling around Europe and went back to the US in november. She was constantly texting me and telling me after 2 days she loved me and that she couldn’t believe how lucky she was to have met me, I guess I was blown away by her and ignored all of the red flags. I visited her on one of her trips through Europe and she came back to see me just before she went back to the USA.

First few months everything went perfect and visited her twice in the US , first during Thanksgiving and second time with the Christmas holidays. During Christmas period s~~~ was about to go down. Christmas itself was fun and exciting and had a lot of fun. The day after Christmas we were going to visit her grandpa and grandma in FL so we had to drive from Virginia to FL which is a pretty long ass drive. During the ride she wouldn’t say a thing to me, gave me a cold shoulder and was constantly glued to her phone and saw that we was FB messaging some people. At that point I didn’t think much of it , probably she was bit stressed of going to see her grandparents and thought she would turn around once we’ve arrived. After we arrived and had some dinner we still was acting cold and distant and asked her if there was something wrong and her reply was “You are always overanalyzing and I need my space”. I was like what the heck? I came all the way from Europe to see you and have a good time with you and this is what you have to say? So imagine yourself in a position where I was at her family, couldn’t go anywhere and felt miserable great start of the holiday which should have released some stress of working 60-70 hrs workweeks (investment banking industry).She acted cold and distant the whole week and wouldn’t say a word to me other than good morning and good night. I seriously was doubting myself, had I done anything wrong? What the heck did I do to deserve this treatment? I paid for everything, the rental car, the hotel , food/drinks etc etc. Just before new years I told her that if she wouldn’t tell what the hell was going on I would go home. She said she needed a “break” from us as she said thing were going too fast. I agreed on the fact that things did go a bit fast , but on the other hand if she told me this from the beginning than all this drama could be prevented. After she said she wanted a break she clinged on to me again totally confusing me as I’m asking myself are we together or single? total mindf~~~ I can tell you that.

Couple of hours before new years her phone died and she had to get a new one. I decided to stay at her grandparents and at one point while I was watching some tv with them , her grandmother told me this : “You seem like a great guy, I seriously have no idea what you are doing with her, if I were you I would RUN”. I couldn’t figure out why she said that I was in shock and barely could say a word. After new years eve I was in the States for 4 more days and during that period she was all over me again. She was really sad and almost cried when I left to go back to Europe. Coming home I received a message that she didn’t feel comfortable with what happened between us and she wasn’t sure if she made the right choice. I told her that she really needed to figure out what she wants before coming to Europe as she wanted to live with me. She was 100% sure that she wanted to come to Europe and wanted to be with me. We kept contacting eachother and after 3 weeks just 2 weeks prior to her coming over she asked how I viewed “us” I told her that we were still together but she needed time to figure her s~~~ out. By then she said she wanted to be single while she was awaiting the visa process which takes about 3 months and travel and work in Europe. I was not amused by this news as I already set things in motion with the immigration department and told her that I’m taking a lot of risk that here. She shook it off and said that we could “hopefully reconnect by summer” translation: f*ck as many other dudes while travelling Europe before I go back to my main source provider”. Found out that she had changed and deleted pictures on Facebook and IG prior before me going for the 2nd time to the US ( i found out after I got back from 2nd trip to US). This p~~~ed me off so bad and confronted her about it and she simply said “Do you think I’m using you? That you’re my IN to Europe?” blameshifting and never mentioned the s~~~ she pulled off. Couple of days later I found out that she went out with a “friend” on a thursday night and got drunk. Well I know her got enough that that is just bad news…..

I was sick and tired of all these bulls~~~ games and told her that it was over. She still insisted on coming over to Europe as she was hoping I guess that she could change my mind by throwing some crumbs at me. So fast forward to the moment she was supposed to arrive at the airport she said she missed her flight and that she was stuck in NY. The following day she got a flight from NY to Europe and picked her up at the airport as I wanted to get some closure and move on. Turned out that she didn’t miss her flight and was with her ex boyfriend in NY (claimed first that she didn’t want to see him anymore) but she claimed nothing happened between him and her, she said she took a sleeping pill and passed out (sure…..) Once she arrived in my country she didn’t even ask how I was doing and told me she got a small note from a male cabin crew with his number on it. Furthermore I took effort in picking her up from the airport and take her to her hotel and pay for dinner as she didn’t have enough money to afford it. Looking back now she was guilt tripping me. I told her that I now seriously was done with her and her and I are over, but by than the begging would start and said I was the best husband material there is and that I dress nice and that she doesn’t want to lose me. I didn’t buy it one second it was all an act to lure me back in. I walked away and never looked back.

Because all this stuff happened I seriously start to doubt today’s women. This is not the first time I went through s~~~ like this, in the beginning they act different like they have some sort of mask on and once the relationship progresses the true self is revealed or some s~~~. Then the s~~~ really starts to hit the fan…. What was I dealing with? It really screwed me up and was depressed for a month and that’s how I ended up on the MGTOW website after all it looks like I’m not on my own! I also have my flaws and I know I’m not perfect but after all I did for her I couldn’t believe that someone could be just so cold hearted?

So just a quick summary of all the s~~~ that happened…….
– Talked bad about ALL her exes (one beat her up, other set a forest on fire, another one cheated on her, another one went to jail)
– Loads of DEBT (college debt of around 70k USD)
– Love bombing (telling me how lucky she was to have met me and texted me 24/7, posting pictures of me and her on FB and IG, wanted to marry me after 1 date, calling me her love after 2 dates)
– Future faking the s~~~ out of me (wanted to get married, have kids , house etc)
– High demanding (wanted a big house , a horse, a dog, a car either Audi or BMW etc etc)
– Wanted to be a housewife but didnt want to cook or clean
– Drank excessive amounts of alcohol and used a lot of medication against migraine
– Mom was never around during the holidays and her dad she is screwed up (I guess due to the mom)
– Family of her told me to RUN
– Said she had her own apartment but turns out it was her moms and stepdads.
– Shared creditcard and phone with her ex boyfriend
– Contact with her ex boyfriend on frequent basis
– Wanted to be in the centre of the attention all the time
– Very concerned about her looks and spend huge amounts of money on her looks
– Lot of “male friends”
– Said she liked men more than women…..
– Said it turned her on if I talked to other females while we were out to have a drink (i.e. jealousy turned her on, like wtf?)
– Ruined the holiday and new years eve
– Obsessed with money constantly talking and asking how much I make a year and what kind of car I drive (Audi which is common in Europe, but in USA it seems like a big plus?)
– Making up stories about health issues like fainting in shower and throwing up in shower , claiming she thought she was pregnant, migraine, mono the list goes on and on…..
– Admitted she had ADD
– Early in the relationship she sees herself as an Alpha female and can’t stand too emotional, passive aggresive and conflict avoiding behaviour.
– She even said she knows she a crazy but she sees herself as a nice person and needs someone to confirm that?

Anyways, what kind of girl was I dealing with? Is this a full blown narcissist or someone with borderline?

[RoyDalParticipant]

Americana wrote:

What I believed was the girl of my dreams turned into a complete nightmare.

I hear you! Oh yes, I do hear you!

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[NerevarParticipant 8040]

Hello fellow Dutchie 🙂 It’s a good thing you simply walked away, because there really are red flags all over the place, good that she didn’t catch you and I hope she got her broke ass back to the US.

"One of the best things internet exposed is just how insane women are." - Freeman_K

[Truthseeker82Participant 6406]

Red flags everywhere. I wouldn’t care if she was the hottest girl that ever walked the earth – run, run, run and do not look back. Any poor sucker who caves in and marries her and eve worse has kids with this self absorbrd train wreck does so at his own peril. Get out now while the damage is minimal. And remember – AWALT!

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Welcome home brother! and ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Good god, man… you want to know what’s wrong with this girl? EVERYTHING. Does it matter what her condition is called? If you haven’t already, get this creature out of your life. Spotless mind her… erase any trace of her existence from your life and pretend the whole thing was just a bad dream.

[xenonParticipant 2007]

Yup, what they said. The hotter they are the crazier they will act and it will have to be someone, anyone, else’s fault. I would almost feel sorry for hot women if they hadn’t done so much damage to me and every other guy I know. Never have anything to do with any woman who is in contact with any one of her many “exes”. They are not exes, they are options, just like you. This behavior is very common I have found. A break up, it seems is really just a break in her screwing him or more than likely, them. Leave her to her own mess and debt. Good luck to you.

[LurchParticipant 3866]

RoyDal wrote:

her grandmother told me this : “You seem like a great guy, I seriously have no idea what you are doing with her, if I were you I would RUN”.

Sounds like her grandmother was the ONLY sane women in the story.

That feral ex-girlfriend of yours, if she even WAS your GF to begin with, is a hot mess of more red flags than a North Korean military pride parade!

Blue-Pill Virgin: Women hate me! That's what it is.
MGTOW Man: Hate them back; it works for me.

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

She sounds like an everyday, average American female. No better or worse. Live well, Dutchman.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[finallyfreeParticipant 341]

After seeing your checklist I had to write a reply. I can’t believe how similar she is to my ex. I copied all the characteristics that were “EXACTLY” like my awful ex and added a few modifications.

– talked bad about ALL her exes right from the start ( it’s always their fault)
– Love text bombing (telling me how lucky she was to have met me and texted me 24/7, posting pictures of me and her on FB and IG, wanted to marry me after 1 date,
(yes wanted to marry me after 1 -2 dates)
– Future faking the s~~~ out of me (wanted to get married, have kids , house etc)
– Wanted to be a housewife but didnt want to cook or clean
– Used a lot of medication against migraine and constant Bacterial vaginosis infections. – Flagyl script
– Mom was not even allowed to stay at her place during the holidays and she never knew her real father ( mom at hotel -really” wtf)
– Her own mother said she liked me and told me to RUN now because her daughter is too hard to please
– Contact with her ex boyfriend on frequent basis ( we are just good friends, i swear)
– Lot of “male friends”
– Said she liked men more than women…..
– Said it was ok if I talked to other females while we were out to have a drink
– Ruined the holiday and new years eve ( threw tantrums to ruin the holidays because she was nervous about them meeting me)
– And of course the kicker: I knew she wouldn’t even date me if I didn’t make a six figure salary.

I am shocked to find out your ex had these exact same bad qualities. I have a minor in psychology so this type of stuff sparks my interest. After reading your list I am convinced this is either borderline personality disorder or bipolar. I’m so done with females. Too dangerous and time consuming.

[AmericanaParticipant 4]

Thanks for the support bro’s. Really helps thought I was losing my mind after having dated this girl.

@finallyfree

It’s quite scary that they seem to have a certain agenda they follow.

Some of the other things she also said/done:

– Talked bad about her family but as soon as she was with them she acted like she was a real good and nice person
– had to get rid of my cat as she doesn’t like cats only dogs. Didn’t matter that I had this cat most of my life.
– Turned out that she only dated me because I just like you have a good income and could provide her with a visa to Europe
– She couldn’t sleep without noise. Always had a fan on and she also slept with her contactlenses in
– She liked movies like gone girl by Ben Affleck, really scary psycho woman in that movie
– Copycats my hobbies and interests and studied them.
– I wasn’t allowed to win at any game like Uno otherwise she would leave or get upset
– Always complained about her job as nanny and claimed she earns 100k a year (lol)

And the list goes on and on.. Only thing I blame myself is that I didn’t see it. Guess love really makes a person blind and also was trying to White Knight her and ‘save’ her. Thank god she is out of the picture now.

Seems like Western European and American women all have some shortcircuit in their head. I only had 2 relationships which were ‘normal’ but ended due to growing apart or passion gone. That Borderline/Narcissism is really really scary as it screws with your mind and soul. You start to doubt yourself and afterwards you feel used and betrayed ffs women!! No more of this s~~~

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Damn. It’s like watching a game of Crazy Bitch Ex Girlfriend Bingo, and you got all the squares.

I especially like this little contradiction:

Americana wrote:

She was constantly texting me and telling me after 2 days she loved me and that she couldn’t believe how lucky she was to have met me,

Americana wrote:

She said she needed a “break” from us as she said thing were going too fast.

The important things here is what you learned from all this. Always be prepared to bail out on a moment’s notice. At the first sign of crazy, hit the eject button. Never look back.

[Anonymous 11]

Borderline.

Your story is a carbon copy of my diagnosed Borderline experience. There is a narcissistic element to them too.

What Sidecar quoted is known as Push-Pull.

[AmericanaParticipant 4]

Based on posts in this topic it seems like there is an epidemic of Borderline and Narcissistic traits going on in western women. It so freakin insane to even date them as they pretend to be someone else when you first meet them, and at one point the mask drops and hell breaks lose. Satan’s daughters is what i call those psycho’s nowadays , no more dating them for me :/ . Anyone else want to share their story/experience with crazy ex?

[LightBringerParticipant 440]

Yep, same story different details. Be glad you are out, the scars will last a few months minimum and give you pause the rest of your life.

[ShinyParticipant 2307]

I liked this bit.

Furthermore I took effort in picking her up from the airport and take her to her hotel and pay for dinner as she didn’t have enough money to afford it. Looking back now she was guilt tripping me. I told her that I now seriously was done with her and her and I are over, but by than the begging would start and said I was the best husband material there is and that I dress nice and that she doesn’t want to lose me. I didn’t buy it one second it was all an act to lure me back in.

That part wasn’t an act – you are EXACTLY the husband she wants. You pay for everything while she carries on.

Glad you got free!

Americana wrote:

Guess love really makes a person blind and also was trying to White Knight her and ‘save’ her.

Yeah that’s the danger alright. Even when everyone, including the family, is saying she’s nuts, the white knight only sees the good side (one he’s pretty much made up in his head because she is 8/10 or because he believes all her s~~~ about the exes) and convinces himself she ‘deserves’ to be saved.

[AmericanaParticipant 4]

Couple of days ago I posted here but now it seems to be gone?

Anyways last wednesday after 2 months of NC she contacted me again and told me she was thinking of me and that something happened to her that scarred her for life? Didn’t respond to it. But I wonder why the hell she contacted me, I was doing just fine and started to pick up my life again and work is really on a roll at the moment. So you guys have any idea why she contacted me? It really sucks this because my head is spinning with all kinds of thoughts again and bringing up the pain she caused. Please help a bro out.

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