Am I betraying my ancestors by not passing on their genes?

[Greg HondaParticipant 6406]

trader1913 wrote:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21528795-500-dna-could-have-existed-long-before-life-itself/

Everything in your body was once an entity in and of itself. Mitochondria that exist within every cell of our bodies were once independent organisms. We have bacteria living in our intestines killing other harmful bacteria.

The thoughts you are having are biological programming. CONFORM, REPRODUCE, CONFORM, REPRODUCE.

Your ancestors were also savage, probably murderers and rapists. Does that mean your DNA is tainted?

No your DNA is your DNA, and that is it. The properties you are adding to it are a figment of your imagination.

I hear what you’re saying Trader. It stands up from a logical scientific perspective. The biology of our bodies is neutral, mechanical, scientificly understandable.

Trouble is, half my life is spent dealing with realities that science hasn’t mapped yet. It’s kind of a Medeival world view of Hell, Earth and Heaven.

Makes me look at my life choices in a different way. I worry about the consequences that my temporaral life will have on my eternal soul. I don’t want to p~~~ off the people who may get the casting vote on my eternal fate. These thoughts don’t bother most people, and they’re lucky.

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[,Participant 1301]

Greg,
nothing wrong with questioning, nothing wrong with wanting to pass on YOUR Y-chromosone or your X. You have ONE Y and a possibility of either X from Mom, but only one to pass on.

Luckily, for me, I received boys before the summons. Wished for another but too late.

I’d love for my kids to reproduce. I hope so. It looks unlikely.
Yup, I’d love for my father’s Y to carry on. One of a kind and that may be egotistical but when you know why the Y is special, you just would love it to go a bit longer.
My X is of good stock too imho but THAT train has left the station. Unless I find a younger honey that is willing to TERMS. not looking and not wanting, just not unwilling to keep it open.

So ARE You>? or not?
hmmm Its not betrayal. Its denial to. That’s not BAD, its just a decision.
Feel NO guilt because its a self made decision. Your ancestors had NO IDEA what you’d be facing today. They will understand when you meet again.
And if you believe that you’ll never meet again, then WTF does it matter.

Life is good and the afterlife, we shall see. No escaping that. TG.

Good Topic.

with joy/without hate

[HitmanParticipant]

Having a child is a form of self destruction in this society. .
If it means that much to you then roll the dice.
You probably won’t get the dream of what you are thinking about. .more like a nightmare you have to survive.
But the genes will go forward. .
Super high price tag on this.
No going back either.

[Greg HondaParticipant 6406]

, wrote:

So ARE You>? or not?
hmmm Its not betrayal. Its denial to. That’s not BAD, its just a decision.
Feel NO guilt because its a self made decision. Your ancestors had NO IDEA what you’d be facing today. They will understand when you meet again.
And if you believe that you’ll never meet again, then WTF does it matter.

Life is good and the afterlife, we shall see. No escaping that. TG.

Thanks for your thoughts MGHOW. It just p~~~es me off that I feel I’ve been robbed of my right to raise a family without getting screwed over in a f~~~ed up system. Our society is so upside down now that you just cannot trust a woman not to f~~~ you over and bankrupt or jail you.

How the hell did we get here?

Jesus Man, if your in the middle income you’re screwed. If poor they got nothing to take from you, and if rich you can get the lawyers to fight your case. For the middle of the road guy, as I am, you get what anyone who stands in the middle of the road gets…………..RUN OVER.

It's Time to get Wise

[HitmanParticipant]

Actor Tony Randall had a kid when he was almost 90..
There’s an option. .

[Greg HondaParticipant 6406]

Hitman wrote:

Having a child is a form of self destruction in this society. .
If it means that much to you then roll the dice.
You probably won’t get the dream of what you are thinking about. .more like a nightmare you have to survive.
But the genes will go forward. .
Super high price tag on this.
No going back either.

I fully understand and agree with you Hitman. I’m not so dumb to beleive in the happy ever after again. Hence MGTOW.

Just p~~~es me off I got no rights, just responsibilities. I value my freedom way too much. Might do a sperm bank donation just before I die 🙂

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[trader1913Participant 1577]

Leaving your genes behind is disguised as something noble or philosophical but it is clear to me when I think about this subject that it is one of the biggest acts of vanity and arrogance.

And with vanity and arrogance comes insecurity since no-one is perfect and the vain and arrogant mind struggles to accept imperfection.

The above becomes clear when I hear justifications for having children. ‘Continue the human race’, ‘Leave a Legacy’. The mind is trying to justify it’s own ego.

I am not particularly concerned with paying back ancestors or leaving your mark. But who has left a greater legacy, Nikola Tesla or MrJoSchmo with 2 kids? Nikola Tesla will be remembered forever, your genetic uniqueness will take 3-4 generations before it regresses to the human DNA mean.

[HitmanParticipant]

The longer you wait, the longer you have your freedom.
The kid is like a blessing and a curse.
I would lay down my life in a heartbeat for my child, but I don’t think I would do it again if I could go back in time.
More pain than I ever had in my life from the experience of having the kid legally kidnapped by the ex.
Financial trouble that won’t end and the pain of being a single dad..with a crazy ex looming in the background. .
I should have waited till I was 90 years old! !!!

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Greg I don’t think your question can be so easily dismissed–Oddly it is a very Asian perspective. Good for you. I assume you read the book “the selfish gene” so that could be driving this, but I see your point. we stand on the shoulders of those who came before and enjoy the privileges wrought by their sacrifice and struggle—what have we done to do justice to that? Answer: very little. We will face them with shame especially if Tower is right and ultimately we/our future generations are still here when it all comes to an end. Now if somehow we muster the will, guts and courage to get off this rock well then we can face them with a little more pride.

Of course your abstinence could be a blessing also. If the human race is de-volving (which it appears it is doing) then you can say–hey I didn’t contribute that mess.

[Greg HondaParticipant 6406]

PistolPete wrote:

Good for you. I assume you read the book “the selfish gene” so that could be driving this, but I see your point. we stand on the shoulders of those who came before and enjoy the privileges wrought by their sacrifice and struggle—what have we done to do justice to that? Answer: very little. We will face them with shame

Hi Pete, Sorry to say I’m not well read. I just think about stuff based on my experiences and try to make sense of them. As a man brought up in a modern western society, I have not had to deal with the harships of my (Unknown) forebears. I feel unworthy of their sacrifice. The previous generations allways seem stronger, more moral, more physical, more Male.

I can go to the hospital when sick. I can call the police when threatened, (supposedly). Someone else grows my food. Someone else kills the animals for the meat I eat. What am I? cosseted, helpless, weak in comparison to these Titans of my genetic past.

I feel that we have not evolved, we have devolved. We are no longer the masters of our environment as individuals.

We are just worthless consumers feeding a society we hate but from which we cannot escape. The only thing that would give my existance meaning would be to share in the creation of another human life. My hope would be that this new generation could rise up and create a better world from the ashes of destruction of the present system.

It's Time to get Wise

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Greg Honda wrote:

What am I? cosseted, helpless, weak in comparison to these Titans of my genetic past.

Not at all man! Not at all! If necessary and the circumstances demanded it you would be pleasantly surprised at your capabilities.

And getting some ed/experience with things like hunting, trapping, fishing, growing things is easy. You need a craft—something to build and create with your hands. You’re very artistic work with wood/or/clay or even metals. I never worry about leaving something for future generations because I DO leave something. When I finish restoring a firearm I know it will be around centuries. I’m even considering taking up blade-making for the same reason. Give it a try man I know you will produce something great–an timeless.

[debt slayerrrrParticipant 36]

Is this really a serious question?

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

If you want it is possible to rent a womb. Get an egg from female A and fertilize with your sperm, then put the fertilized egg in female B body.

However beware of the “I regret it, I want the baby”. It is better to have as little contact with the female and go through you agent.

Make it clear from the start if the female regrets it you will take the lost and find other female while the current female will be stuck with the baby with no resource to extract. Don’t bound with the baby so you can mean what you say.

Get it done in another country where the laws cannot touch you. Do not bound with the baby until you are safe with it in your place of choosing and all the papers says the baby is yours only.

While it is a consuming process, it is safer and cheaper then marriage.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[Greg HondaParticipant 6406]

debt slayerrrr wrote:

Is this really a serious question?

Yes, DebtSlayer, supprisingly so I know, but I probably concern myself with abstract ideas more than is healthy in a rational world.

Takes all sorts to make a world, so just view me as an oddball and we’re both good.

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[gpnraanParticipant 100]

I guess you were just unlucky not to have a kid with your unicorn that once you had. You may have had some emotional support with your kid in raising him/her.
But does your ancestors really care or did your mother actually cared about you? If you want to have kids, it should be because of your wish but not to please your ancestors.

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

Gene’s get watered down over time. If you had a kid your kids kid will only have a fraction of your Gene’s and the cycle continues till the percentage is in low single digits. Don’t waste your life worrying about a life while your dead.

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

[Anonymous 54]

I never wanted kids. The instinct to carry on my genes is not there. My Brothers and Sister all have kids, so I dont have to grapple with your type of situation.

Personaly I dont think you should feel any obligation.

[narrow road travelerParticipant 1680]

Greg Honda wrote:

<a target=”_blank” target="_blank" href=”/forums/topic/am-i-betraying-my-ancestors-by-not-passing-on-their-genes/page/2/#post-412966″ ? Answer:
Hi Pete, Sorry to say I’m not well read. I just think about stuff based on my experiences and try to make sense of them. As a man brought up in a modern western society, I have not had to deal with the harships of my (Unknown) forebears. I feel unworthy of their sacrifice. The previous generations allways seem stronger, more moral, more physical, more Male.

I can go to the hospital when sick. I can call the police when threatened, (supposedly). Someone else grows my food. Someone else kills the animals for the meat I eat. What am I? cosseted, helpless, weak in comparison to these Titans of my genetic past.

I feel that we have not evolved, we have devolved. We are no longer the masters of our environment as individuals.

We are just worthless consumers feeding a society we hate but from which we cannot escape. The only thing that would give my existance meaning would be to share in the creation of another human life. My hope would be that this new generation could rise up and create a better world from the ashes of destruction of the present system.

I know where you’re coming from as well. I’ve made plans followed through and continue to. I’d like to pass those and many other experiences to a new person here.

The philosophy I ascribe to is a man os more than his genetic material. The inner man must be forged and refined. I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ to purify and forge my inner man.

From my perspective now, I have a pretty good idea who my mortal enemies are. Internally I have ways of nullifying their effects on me.

Next I can build and maintain my honor and integrity. It’s possible to raise a standard. I’ve noticed men follow standards, women chase the most successful in that standard.

From a standard you can start a village or tribe. You won’t necessarily pass on your genes, but you’ll pass on your living soul, which is of much more substance anyway.

On a side note, I love how there are always interesting topics in these forums. Thanks Keymaster.

The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. --Sun Tsu

[Jim01Participant 6678]

Interesting thread and some great responses

I have wondered this myself but for me, I have two brothers with kids on the way so the family line will carry on without me.

On the other hand – I think anyone bringing kids into the world now is mad. The West WILL crash and burn within the next 15-20 years thanks to the likes of soros and his puppet politicians so who wants to bring kids into that

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

Here’s a sandman video that better explains my point.

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

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