Almost 50 , and it’s like opening your eyes for the first time

[EtrangereParticipant 706]

I am so happy to have found this site. There are so many questions I have that I really don’t know where to start. I’m coming off of a 3 year relationship in which I found myself taking a beta role , and looking back on it disgusts me. The sting from the 3 year relationship with this “strong independent woman” , who never paid for anything of course is still there , and there is a lot of hatred I’m trying to purge. I’ve read that in reality the only true romantics are men , and the only ones who come close to loving unconditionally are men , and all of it makes sense to me now. I actually am starting to enjoy being single again. The question in my mind isn’t whether of not I will find love again , it’s do I want to. Beyond sex , I can’t think of anything a woman would add to my life , and so many ways they can detract from it. The problem is that they are so nice to look at , chase and then screw. I thought that with age my libido would decrease , and it has based on where it was in my 20’s , but it still is a factor. How do you manage this? I’m so interested in learning more from all of you.

[505vikingoParticipant 521]

Welcome Brother!

You have come to the right place. The answer to your question is to explore Latin/South America. Nothing you are seeking is north of our border.

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

welcome pal
enjoy the forums

Etrangere wrote:

I can’t think of anything a woman would add to my life , and so many ways they can detract from it.

i’m glad you’ve come to this realization that women have very, very little to add to your happiness. They take away your freedom, your money…etc.

Etrangere wrote:

The problem is that they are so nice to look at , chase and then screw.

dude, you got to improve your self discipline. if you have plenty of money and plenty of free time, i guess its fine to keep doing this. Otherwise, stop.

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[Anonymous 42]

Etrangere wrote:

Beyond sex , I can’t think of anything a woman would add to my life , and so many ways they can detract from it.

You did the math! Congratulations! It’s just that simple!
Talk to C-Pig and others about the fleshlight!
What’s worth more after the math, a woman or a fleshlight? Another simple equation!
Woman have made it easier than f~~~ing Sesame Street when it comes to “real value”….

[Anonymous 0]

Welcome Chateauneuf,
Read,Post,Learn. We have a lot of fun here.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Expand your horizon. Work out if you don’t already.

Travel, find adventure. Start a hobby or business.

LAUNCH YOURSELF at the world.

Pay for your females by the hour.

NEVER NEVER EVER EVER let a woman control your life again.

Get the fk out there and play.

It’s fking amazing.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Welcome home brother.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

Welcome. I just deal with my libido using logic. I have my reasons for going my own way, and I just remind myself of those reasons when my libido starts kicking in. It’s like anger; I may be mad if someone p~~~es me off, bad I don’t act on my anger and beat the s~~~ out of the person that wrongs me. I remind myself that there are consequences for my behavior, and I find an outlet for the emotion at a later time. Same with a woman. She may turn me on, but there are potential consequences for acting on that emotion (like the 50% chance of getting divorces and losing half my s~~~ or a false rape accusation). Later I can masturbate or use fiction as an outlet for the emotion if necessary. A great way to help keep your reasons fresh in your mind is to visit this site on a regular basis. There is a steady supply of introductions from new men-bers that express their happiness at finding mgtow and leaving behind relations~~~s.

[Mr. SpockParticipant 10911]

Welcome to the site.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to have sex as if you were still 20. Keep in mind that there are a lot of young women out there who are looking to trap a man. I don’t know your financial situation but you said that you are 50. You are prime for the picking. You want the sex and they want 18+ years of income. I am 47 and whenever I think I want to go out and try and hook up with a young tramp, I remember that 18 years of baby jail is not worth 18 seconds (if that ) of ecstasy.
Please be careful.

Feminism isn't about equality with men, it's about leverage over men.

[TiredofbsParticipant 485]

Welcome and better late than never. I know what you’re saying as far as age. I found this site through a pretty good blog site that deals with Men’s issues and the curse of feminism. I am 51 and have found this site to be one of the most uplifting and educational sites I’ve been affiliated with in my life. And man was it needed and timely. When you’re going through hell with bitch assholes of the feminine gender, you feel alone and rejected by the world. This MGTOW forum was like finding an oasis of spring water in a dry desert.

As others said above, read, learn and participate. There is a lot of wisdom from all the men in this forum.

[NO WAYParticipant 87]

Brother,
Love is an illusion. Women are incapable of love.
NW

[experiencedParticipant]

You’ve come to the right site.
Read, read, read, and then read.
If you do this, you will find the answers to all of your questions.

If you forego this and just start questioning you may be mis-identified as a feminist troll / reporter / white knight / Mangina / LAYDEE / etc.
Hopefully you’re legit and in that case, my sincerest welcome.
But..

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[OrlandoParticipant 833]

Etrangere wrote:

The sting from the 3 year relationship with this “strong independent woman” , who never paid for anything of course is still there ,

I was in a similar situation. I told her to pack up and move out of my house last July. That relationship cost me tens of thousands of dollars, all up in smoke. Not to mention the lost years of my life due to stress.

The cost of association with a modern woman is prohibitive. I wish it were different, and I wish I had some good news, but it’s s~~~ out there and that’s basically what you are paying for.

Keep your money. Getting laid isn’t worth the exorbitant cost.

Welcome

[EtrangereParticipant 706]

Wow….I’m amazed and grateful for the responses. @ Iliveagain – Yeah I’m a gym rat(and have been for the last 20 years). What you said is the key. I turned over control to her in the relationship. Won’t happen again…neither will any LTR with a woman. My financial situation isn’t that great but I’m working on it. The company I was working for filed for Chapter 13 at the end of the year , and put me in dire straits temporarily. Thankfully I’m considered an expert in my field so there were quite a few people who pursued me , and I believe I’m in a good situation now but have to catch up as I’m behind on bills. I guess the thing that really grinds my gears is that when she heard about the collapse of my old company , rather than sympathy I got kicked when I was down. Told me that I had even less to offer , and when I brought up all the bulls~~~ she told me about her feelings for me and that we were soulmates – “well that was a long time ago”. You see it was all about what I could offer her. The substantial amount of things I had already done for her(Diamonds , pearls , trips, moving with her away from my family to be closer to her aging mother) didn’t matter. Fcking C~~~. I will rebuild my life , and there will be no LTR to mess it up. Right now I’m just throwing myself into my new gig. Working 6 or some weeks 7 days so that leaves less time to fume over her , and trip out on my financial situation. I’m just wondering how to view women outside of this sphere(like mother and sister) I mean , they’re all the same creatures biologically and I’ve seen them do some messed up stuff through the years , but they are my blood….I guess it’s just self awareness.

[HitmanParticipant]

welcome and glad you found your’e way here ..
this is it. last stop .you hit gold .
keep digging in , we will be here for you and with you .

[VerusParticipant 965]

Welcome! I’m just a couple years older and your situation sounds very similar to my own. Yeah, libido is still there but there’s porn and you can always take care of that yourself – much less costly and risky, and if you truly feel a woman would just detract from your life (as I do) then it saves you a lot of wasted time on meaningless chatter and dealing with their drama and manipulation. If you actually enjoy the chase and interaction with women that’s another thing – seems like masochism to me, but I suppose some people enjoy the game.

[guestParticipant 14]

the short answer to your topic about libido is simple: BUY the pussy outright instead of negotiating behind the facade of a dinner, a night out at some bs venue, etc. because you will absolutely either pay the same or (very likely) mathematically far more. once you find a girl or girls who have integrity, pop their contact info in your book and visit them at will. that’s what i do. there are very good girls and older women out there and both parties understand it is a business. no hard feelings or expectations or anything shady. and like you, every other guy here loves the voice of a woman, her curves, her hair, those eyes, the taste and smell, i can go on. you need not deny these urges. go and enjoy.

my thoughts on your experience:

if a woman is not trading something in return for her pussy, she will disappear. no woman gives up pussy or even “love and care” for free. always remember that rule and you will never be disappointed.

also, most men go through this phase at some stage, either during their teens or in their 50s and everything in between. they have regrets for playing beta male where they were used over and over in one way or another. it’s over now for you and it’s better you move on and put this behind you.

at my age 39, i finally realized that the only real thing a woman brings to the table is pussy (and her asshole as i love licking a girl’s asshole). that’s it. the emotional thing wanes as we age and we need less and less of others and become more and more independent (at least mentally because we are maturing). think about it. a woman never offers money. she doesn’t do housework or defend you in a fight. what exactly is she there for? in past societies, women offered the security of homemaker – someone who would take care of a lot outside of giving you her pussy. today it’s just pussy. don’t ever dare tell an american woman to cook you a meal. she will point to frozen tv dinners in the freezer that you can conveniently microwave yourself. she will also happily point out everything wrong with you instead of respecting you as a god in the home and in her life. same with kids. she will tell your kids that you are either stupid, incompetent, or something disparaging.

anyway ,as you can see, once you open your eyes to what you are getting in exchange, you will never go back.

Verus wrote:

Welcome! I’m just a couple years older and your situation sounds very similar to my own. Yeah, libido is still there but there’s porn and you can always take care of that yourself – much less costly and risky, and if you truly feel a woman would just detract from your life (as I do) then it saves you a lot of wasted time on meaningless chatter and dealing with their drama and manipulation. If you actually enjoy the chase and interaction with women that’s another thing – seems like masochism to me, but I suppose some people enjoy the game.

you need not stick to porn if you want flesh. fly down to curacao where prostitution is legal and girls are cycled on 3 month sex work visas. girls are routinely tested for hiv. sex is always protected. girls are working at will. this is not forced employment. everyone wins. check out this site and the faq:

http://www.campoalegresex.com/faq.php

ditto for costa rica and many other countries (thailand is obvious but a little far…). they sell sex tourism packages in dominican republic. i personally have girls i see in canada. i am in brooklyn new york and fly over to toronto for $200 roundtrip (unbelievable price). i get to see a new country (although canada is basically usa) and buy pussy according to my taste for that time period (sometimes i want a black girl, or a latina or a blonde or an asian etc.). technically prostitution is legal in canada. anyway, porn is not your only option. i do use that when i am low on funds but pussy can be bought. and it costs just about the same (or even less) than finding a girl, paying for a date, and hoping you will get maybe some action as you know most girls won’t give it up the first date. for me, it’s simple economics.

also, when i do visit girls, if you are clean and well-mannered, they will take very good care of you. i always get treated well and the price doesn’t go up.

[EtrangereParticipant 706]

BUY the pussy outright instead of negotiating behind the facade of a dinner, a night out at some bs venue, etc. because you will absolutely either pay the same or (very likely) mathematically far more. once you find a girl or girls who have integrity, pop their contact info in your book and visit them at will

I am going to do this from now on. Having never solicited such services , how does one go about looking for that locally? If you are that close to Canada then you are lucky , as I’d prefer that to Mexico frankly.

also, most men go through this phase at some stage, either during their teens or in their 50s and everything in between. they have regrets for playing beta male where they were used over and over in one way or another. it’s over now for you and it’s better you move on and put this behind you.

Solid advice…thank you. I’m more upset at myself for not realizing the game and how I was being played. I guess I’m dealing with the anger phase associated with waking up to the real world , and how it works. I need to find a way to dispell that really as I doubt it’s healthy to harbor.

[EtrangereParticipant 706]

Another question – I’ve noticed and read other things which are seemingly related , but I guess I’m not sure where I fall into all of this—- Roosh V – I checked out his site and that makes a lot of sense too , though it seems aimed at younger men still in their 20’s and 30’s with PU advice. Red pill on reddit – again similar take on things from MGTOW , and Return of Kings , but focused more on interacting with women in the dating game. I only want them for sex—like James Bond—once we’re done I’m out. In my ideal world , I would just f~~~ a 28 year old French girl once a week or so , and take care of business every other day of the week. I’m also curious to know —how to view and deal with women in other areas of life—- Mother , Grandmother , Sister , or as friends?

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

Etrangere wrote:

Another question – I’ve noticed and read other things which are seemingly related , but I guess I’m not sure where I fall into all of this—- Roosh V – I checked out his site and that makes a lot of sense too , though it seems aimed at younger men still in their 20’s and 30’s with PU advice. Red pill on reddit – again similar take on things from MGTOW , and Return of Kings , but focused more on interacting with women in the dating game. I only want them for sex—like James Bond—once we’re done I’m out. In my ideal world , I would just f~~~ a 28 year old French girl once a week or so , and take care of business every other day of the week. I’m also curious to know —how to view and deal with women in other areas of life—- Mother , Grandmother , Sister , or as friends?

I think the real difference between a Mgtow and a pua is that a mghow doesn’t need pussy whereas a pua needs pussy because it gives him a sense of value. There are Mgtow that use pua techniques but they don’t let it become the most important aspect of their life like it seems many guys in the pua community do.

As for female family members, they are female of course, so I realize they are prone to female nature but I don’t hold it against them. I don’t expect my five year old cousin to act like me because he is five. I don’t hate him for being five, but I know I can’t expect him to behave like someone my age. Same with women. They are what they are.

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