ABORTION: Forgivable? Who forgives?

[AkanbiParticipant 2120]

So, apparently, the pope has extended his powers to “forgiving abortion”

Link: ?

For knowledge purpose, I want to ask the (catholic) brothers in the house:

– does god forgive abortions? Because from my own understanding, once a human is conceived in the womb, it cannot be aborted/killed. It will be seen on the same degree as murder and thus, a grave sin.

– does the pope have any power at all to forgive sins (and more especially in this case, abortion)

-if he does, is it via god’s permission?

– if he doesn’t, why is he doing this? does he have an agenda? OR are there certain people who have a say in the church’s affairs and are tweaking the church laws to their favour?

According to my findings on him, he has approved homosexuality and divorce- acts that the catholic church frown at.

So, is there something going on or he’s doing the right thing.

My brother make you no follow sheeple o. Look them and Go Your Way.

[TattooDaveParticipant 6952]

What was true back in the early seventies. Women hate themselves anyway so I don’t know how they could forgive themselves but if there is a God watch out bitches….

I can see their heads have been twisted and fed with worthless foam from the mouth. Bob d

[Greg HondaParticipant 6406]

I beleive in God, but for the most part I see any church of whatever faith an organised racket. Its a business and they have to attract new customers in a changing world. I remember hearing about Mother Teresa in India. She got all these donations to help the poor but all she did was give them a bed to die on. The money she received could have brought drugs to help or cure these people but it all went to fund new religious buildings. A scam if ever there was one.

It's Time to get Wise

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Actually as a Catholic I addressed this topic on another thread. But I’ll give it another try. The Pope does not forgive sins, neither do priests, only God can forgive sins. However the authority to grant absolution/remission for sins was conferred by Jesus to the apostles and then down through the priesthood.

As a Catholic I find this announcement nonsense. Any parish priest is given the authority to grant absolution/remission for ANY sin. Of course absolution is conditional upon the intention/promise not to sin again.

The example I gave before was instructive:

Rudolf Hoess was born into a Swabian Catholic family. In fact his family wanted him to become a priest. Early in his teens he left the church…reason? A priest violated the sanctity of the confessional and “told” on him to his parents. Fortunately WWI rolled around about that time and Hoess joined the Imperial Army–served with distinction, at one time he was the youngest NCO in the entire Army.

After the war he bounced around the various political parties and eventually hooked up with Martin Boremann and became a nazi. To make a long story short by 1940 he became the commandant of Auschwitz, by 1943 he became the inspector of all extermination camps. (Like Eichmann he was never promoted beyond Obersturmbannfuher (Lt. Col) even though he had massive responsibilities. Hitler would only promote an SS officer to full colonel or above if that officer had held a combat command position in the field) But I digress.

Shortly after the war ended Hoess was captured and tried for war crimes. Once convicted he was compelled to write an auto-biography, which by the way is a very interesting read. A week before he was hanged he returned to the faith. He engaged in the sacrament of confession and received communion. He also penned a blurb carried by all the newspapers in Poland in which he accepted responsibility for his actions, recognized they were wrong and asked for forgiveness. (I suspect that was his penance)

So they hang the guy. Question were all his sins absolved by God before his death? You betcha. Now if God can forgive a guy responsible for the murder of millions what could you possibly do that could not be forgiven?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I don’t think it matters what a woman decides to do AFTER it’s already too late and she allowed herself to get pregnant when she didn’t really want to be. The entire “abortion debate” is designed to DISTRACT everyone from that.

So who cares if the pope “forgives” it or not?
There is no “oops”. An unwanted pregnancy is entirely avoidable by her.

“Her body. Her choice”, right?
Then it’s HER RESPONSIBILITY too.

ALL of it.

What I don’t forgive is when a woman goes on TV (or on stage) after Trump wins the election and says “better get your abortions now”.

“Better get your abortions now…. before the government stops paying for our f~~~ing mistakes and irresponsible behavior”.

The pope can forgive me for using profanities to illustrate a point.
But he can’t forgive that s~~~. ^^

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[JimBoLeaParticipant 1891]

DO I WANT TO START A WAR ON Ca·thol·i·cism NO NOT REALLY
DO I READ MY BIBLE, YES BUT NOT AS MUCH AS I SHOULD. THE CHURCH THAT IS TALKED ABOUT IN THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS IS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. I READ AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT SHOWS ME AND TELLS ME IN THE BIBLE. THE POPE AND HIS ACTIONS JUST AFFIRMS EVERYTHING THAT MY BIBLE TELLS ME. WE ARE LIVING IN THE LAST DAYS.
DEATH HAS LOST ITS STING. FOR I HAVE THE LIVING GOD LIVING IN ME THRU JESUS CHRIST MY LORD. PRAISE HIS HOLY NAME.

LILITH IS THE HEAD SUCCUBUS AND SHE LIVES ON THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Let me amend the above comments after all I’m not a theologian. Central to the notion of forgiveness and absolution is the admission that one has indeed done something wrong, violated a commandment etc. This is where it gets sticky for abortion and homosexuals. Since they do not see their activities as immoral/wrong, they CAN’T/WON’T be forgiven by God. If I think murder is OK why would I ask God to forgive me? IF I think one man fertilizing the fecal matter of another man is OK why would I for forgiveness?

God will forgive anything, but it is premised upon an admission of wrong doing and asking for forgiveness for the wrongdoing.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

JimBoLea wrote:

THE CHURCH THAT IS TALKED ABOUT IN THE BOOK OF REVELATIONS IS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.

Amen brother, I’m pretty sure this is the false pope spoken of in Revelations—trust me its really hard to be Catholic with this communist at the helm.

[narwhalParticipant]

There is forgiveness, there is forgetting, and there are consequences. Three very different things.

I think Pete is correct about forgiveness. It can always be given when the sinner recognizes the sin.

However, forget and consequences are not the same. Although an abortionist may be forgiven, there is no requirement to forget and life to go back to the way it was before the abortion occurred. You don’t get the child back. Other people who were hurt by your actions are not required to treat you the same. And if it was actually criminal, there is nothing wrong with going to prison for it.

Ok. Then do it.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

narwhal wrote:

I think Pete is correct about forgiveness. It can always be given when the sinner recognizes the sin.

Ditto.

PistolPete wrote:

This is where it gets sticky for abortion and homosexuals. Since they do not see their activities as immoral/wrong

Kill a pregnant woman and you’re guilty of “murder” on TWO counts. They just don’t think it’s “murder” when THEY do it.

narwhal wrote:

And if it was actually criminal, there is nothing wrong with going to prison for it.

It IS actually “criminal” according to them. They just don’t think it’s “criminal” when THEY do it. And the best way to deal with them is not to hold them to your standards… but to hold them to their OWN.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

The next thing you know, women will be priests. Why? Because, there is no wrong! After all, da church gotta grow….and who is the largest growing population? Ding ding ding dong, we gotta winner, it’s single mothers that have custody of the churches FUTURE.

Well, I don’t forgive them! I was so looking forward to rotting in hell with the women that murder their unborn living baby’s.

Peace brothers

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

The Vatican is in fact a “Vat of Sin”.
If you’re still apart of the Catholic church, get the f~~~ out of there!

[KeymasterKeymaster]

DorkShit wrote:

The next thing you know, women will be priests. Why? Because, there is no wrong!

A woman in a church is like a Bartender at an AA meeting.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Zuberi Tau wrote:

If you’re still apart of the Catholic church, get the f~~~ out of there!

If you insist.

[Anonymous 42]

Akanbi wrote:

So, apparently, the pope has extended his powers to “forgiving abortion”

Link: ?

For knowledge purpose, I want to ask the (catholic) brothers in the house:

– does god forgive abortions? Because from my own understanding, once a human is conceived in the womb, it cannot be aborted/killed. It will be seen on the same degree as murder and thus, a grave sin.

– does the pope have any power at all to forgive sins (and more especially in this case, abortion)

-if he does, is it via god’s permission?

– if he doesn’t, why is he doing this? does he have an agenda? OR are there certain people who have a say in the church’s affairs and are tweaking the church laws to their favour?

According to my findings on him, he has approved homosexuality and divorce- acts that the catholic church frown at.

So, is there something going on or he’s doing the right thing.

Do you wanna put the whole abortion thing to bed in your mind permanently?

Look down, what do you see? A pussy or a dick?

I’m guessing a dick, so now that we established you have a dick, where is the abortion performed?

It’s not our doing or undoing, forgiving or condemning, we neither perform it, nor subject ourselves to it, we have no control over it, and we do not suffer the psychological or physical ill effects from it. Therefore it’s really none of our business outside of keeping our seed from these creatures in order that we’re not responsible directly or indirectly for their own personal failure and tragedy as a mother.

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

that’s between women and god, if there is one. Their body their choice. leave me out of it.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[Anonymous 1]

The church is a business, and when the public change you have to change if you want to keep doing your business, or else you’ll be out of town sooner or later.

A good example is Mc Donalds putting on vegetarians options, that’s laughable(a vegetarian or even a vegan going to a Mc Donald’s, still happens tho) but they follow the trends and so do the church.

One day you’ll see this song in a church just before the mass starts:

[CataphractParticipant 2656]

At least the Pope believes abortion is a sin, feminists think it’s a god damned right.

Marriage: About as appealing as wood-chipper diving.

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

DorkShit wrote:

The next thing you know, women will be priests. Why? Because, there is no wrong! After all, da church gotta grow….and who is the largest growing population? Ding ding ding dong, we gotta winner, it’s single mothers that have custody of the churches FUTURE.

Well, I don’t forgive them! I was so looking forward to rotting in hell with the women that murder their unborn living baby’s.

We have a small problem here, women don’t have much money to give the church and are increasingly deprive of a walking ATM.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Tough issue.

They claim it is just a mass of cells.

I don’t disagree.

At the same time if you left it alone for nine months it would be a baby.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

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