A most expectant response

[eng_87Participant 122]

Storytime gentlemen:

I decided yesterday to let a lady know that I am semi interested in her as more than a passing acquaintance:

We have know each other for a couple years and over these years I have consistently accurately foretold her of every f~~~up she was about to make. Her surprise after every correct prediction was genuine, as if sensing a I was some sort of soothsayer – when in reality once you determine the nature of women, they become very easy to read.

She dates a bunch of losers, then bitches to me about how bad her life is. To which I would always reply, I told you so and why should I give a f~~~?

Lo and behold however she has always wanted to hang out with me – no biggie, I would go read, smoke and drink and she would accompany.

Fast forward a couple years and she is in complete disarray as she can’t believe how she always dates dudes that are the same and do the same thing. So I tell her – I’d give her a bit of slap and tickle, and she’ll see what a real man is about (knowing full well she knows she should shack up with me) – I knew the response before it left her mouth – “I’m sorry, but I don’t want to be more than friends”.

Hypothesis proved – from this day there will not one iota of sympathy, not one fleck or quark of care – fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me – fool me every god damn time, well then you’re nothing but a f~~~ing idiot (apologies for comparing idiots to womem, idiots deserve better).

I understand the concept of hypergamy – but somewhere, something isn’t clicking here – surely, even the most banal and naïve of women must know they are repeating a cycle. Anyway, the beauty is I have outlets for my needs, I need no more friends ;).

Let’s play a game – who can guess what her reaction next time she sees me in person is?

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

I’m sorry you are going thru what sounds like a painful situation.

Everyone wants to be loved. Everyone needs some type of human contact.

In an ideal world, a man could “love” a woman and expect a modicum of kindness, loyalty, respect, and genuine concern for your well being in return.

Unfortunately, we live in a somewhat bizarre world, a world where women will rip your f___ing heart out. They are expert manipulators. They are greedy. They enjoy making a man suffer. They will take everything you own or will own and then move on to their next victim.

They want what they can’t have. They are not attracted to “nice guys” at all.

Your story is all too common. When she sees you again, expect some type of lie to keep you on the hook- something like “I really do love you” or “I’m sorry. I was wrong”. All complete BS of course.
Anything to keep you on the plantation.
She is thinking “dance little man, dance”.

God these gold-digging drama queens p~~~ me off.

If I were in this situation, I would head over to the local stripper bar.
Good luck with this situation and I’m sorry some skank didn’t treat you well.

[Anonymous 18]

She will come to you but only once the concept of the Wall is registered in her mind.
Precaution and admitting blame are not things women like her are known for. So I’d say she will become aware of it once she has already hit it and denied it for a few years.
Then you (or other friend zoned guys) come in to her mind. “Omg I can’t believe you were here all along; was so blind to see that. I have grown as a person, I appreciate that you give me what all the the assholes didn’t”

In reality she knows full well what she is doing, why she is doing it, and what needs to be changed ABOUT HER OWN PERCEPTION for her to change the course. But she won’t.

What you can do is what you have not been doing. And you know that full well too.

Men and women can’t be friends. Period.

[DeepInThoughtParticipant 2710]

eng_87 wrote:

“I’m sorry, but I don’t want to be more than friends”

This is the point where you say to her, I think it’s a Coach Corey Wayne video, “Sorry but im not interested in being just friends or your gay male girlfriend. How can i be around you when I want to touch you, kiss you and be inside you? So this whole friendship thing isn’t working for me. You gimme a call if you want something more, but Im done.”

Now this is THE biggest part: Walk away and mean it!

Go live your life and I bet she’ll be back. If she reaches out be nice, cool and confident and make a date. And unless it’s what you desire, if she plays that friendship BS again recycle what’s written about like a broken record! She’ll get the message – meanwhile you are out dating and nailing other women!

Ive tried this long ago and it works.

God luck!

[DeepInThoughtParticipant 2710]

…The again on reflection the behaviour of this girl you outlined, her choices, victim mentality et al has raised so many serious red flags, why would you bother?

[eng_87Participant 122]

Hey guys,

Thanks for the feedback.

I’m not cut up about it to be honest, I expected the response and DIT, I agree 100%, I’ve basically just ghosted her – I just couldn’t believe it though, how could someone be so illogical – she works in accounts so money, number and logic is part of her day to day.

It’s less the actual situation and more the concept of when presented with a good thing why turn it down?

I don’t know, I dislike being confused and as a engineer and scientist, I find physics easier to contemplate.

Whoever wrote the manual that women work off is a superb writer for the is layers of subtext, pretext, hidden meaning, notations, a thousand indices, a trillion reference and reworkings – even JRR Tolkien himself could not have penned a more complex book.

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

eng_87 wrote:

Whoever wrote the manual that women work off is a superb writer for the is layers of subtext, pretext, hidden meaning, notations, a thousand indices, a trillion reference and reworkings – even JRR Tolkien himself could not have penned a more complex book.

There is nothing complex about women. They are dumb as f~~~ and operate on Briffault’s Law. It is known.

[Anonymous 29]

eng_87 wrote:

Let’s play a game – who can guess what her reaction next time she sees me in person is?

Well, I was not a fly on the wall watching you two interacting as friends before you popped your suggestion to her.
Saying that, I think you were friend zoned from way back and now she will feel uncomfortable around you, knowing what you know.
It will be a long time before she accepts this situation as it is now, so if I were you I would move on to the next stall and see what goodies they have to offer.

[OldBillParticipant]

As they so often do, Deep and DRS put their fingers on the crux of the issue here: She friend zoned you a long time ago and has been using you as an emotional tampon ever since. It’s good that you’ve finally called her on her s~~~, but you need to cut all ties with her now.

Ghost, fade into the weeds, tell her of to her face, whatever you prefer, but kick her to the curb where she belongs.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

eng_87 wrote:

Let’s play a game – who can guess what her reaction next time she sees me in person is?

Brother this is going to sound harsh, but why is there going to be a next time? You know sex is off the table. So what is there – does she have some particular expertise that you need from her? Legit if she works at a company you want an “in” at, leverage that relationship.

But if the only thing you’re looking for is sex, forget her; the phrase is “time ho” – she’s using you for validation & emotional support, and you’re getting little if anything in return. Next her ass & spend the time/energy/$$$ on something more fulfilling.

[Anonymous 5]

Too easy. She’s going to keep trying to friend zone you. That’s all she’ll ever do.
Contrary to what you believe, she’s more sociopathic towards you than other women around you.
There’s no need for her to sex you, she already owns you emotionally.

Do you really believe in your heart of hearts that she didn’t always know you wanted her in a full relationship????????
She’s known from the start and all the way through. She’s a typical ninja bitch according to the “Two Ladder” theory.

She’s loved the fact that you always wanted her. It’s the ultimate validation for a woman: the pussy worship without the pussy.
She’ll never give closure without a fight. If there’s no dramatical confrontation, then she’s not really finished with you. She’s just re-positioning for a later attempt to friend-zone you.

When you really break it off she’ll accuse you of being childish, selfish and shallow and that all you ever wanted was to use her for sex.
She’ll accuse you of being “A typical male!” Then she’ll act all butt-hurt and say all men are the same.

EDIT: Unless of course, you win the lottery or become famous or something like that.
Or, she loses her income and/or place to live, or in years to come she realizes she’s hit the wall
Then, she’ll have an epiphany and realize you were always THE ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Attempts at porn queen sex will follow.

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

eng_87 wrote:

how could someone be so illogical – she works in accounts so money, number and logic is part of her day to day.

Doing accounting does not require logic, contrary to a popular belief. It’s all just a script you follow over and over and over again. You can teach a monkey do it. Couple of brain cells is all you need

Snake wrote:

There is nothing complex about women. They are dumb as f~~~ and operate on Briffault’s Law. It is known.

I agree.. There is a lot of smoke and mirrors and outright witchery and magic on the surface, but deep down – motives are always the same and very simple

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[HitmanParticipant]

get a new suit ..tell that bitch you HIT the lottery ! play it up ! wine , dine , 69 ! DUMP THAT C~~~ at the nearest CURB next to some dog s~~~ where she BELONGS !!!..

[eng_87Participant 122]

Alright, alright, I get the picture haha, I am still a “young’un”. but I think the more I experience first hand the realites laid out by mgtow, the more secure and surer my hold on my own freedom is.

Ill burn the bridge and carry on!

p.s. being rejected is some kind of catnip for bishes. I went to the pub for a few afternoon pints and got approached by two women….s~~~ is unreal.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

A couple of other guys nailed it: the entire relationship with her, shes perceived you as a “male friend” she complains to about her dates/sex life. Your not going to be able to just flip a switch and say so pragmatically “well lets be f~~~ buddies”.

Ya, thats a logical solution in a mans mind but women dont operate like this. Its pure emotion and touchy feely tingles for them. Men operate in words and action. We tend to take things at face value and do things sensibly. For women its all about the “EXPERIENCE”. She might even be sexually attracted to you, but that dynamic was never built up and shes sure as s~~~ not going to suddenly flip a switch by being presented a pragmatic solution to her sex life problem.

Also, just generally speaking, I wouldnt go around telling female friends their bf are losers even if it is true. The women will just think your jealous. Im sure your not, but theyll twist it that way in their mind.

Resident cynic.

[QcummerParticipant 652]

listen to what someone says or writes

THEN

observe if their actions are in alignment

simple as that.

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