A Hillary presidency and its consequences

[SamsquanchParticipant 4226]

Hillary wins = Obama appointed to the SCOTUS.

We can pretty much call it over at that point. Gotta roll the dice on Trump. No third party candidate will ever be elected in the US. No matter how many votes they steal from the other candidates.

[Nathan R. JessepParticipant 1102]

Anonymous wrote:

The well known Libertarian sites I visit are not supporting Johnson.

Sure Trump is a loose cannon, but he is not a criminal. He will win, but the establishment will block him every way possible. He is still better than C~~~erly.

If Libertarian sites aren’t supporting him it’s because they are stuck in the weird religious philosophy of the Party. Johnson is the definition of what it means to be a Libertarian.

How can people not see that Trump is a con man out to make himself more money?

[Nathan R. JessepParticipant 1102]

FunInTheSun wrote:

I see Hillary Clinton’s presidency as an extension of President Obama’s presidency (more wars, more executive orders, more government spending and unbalanced budgets, more government spying on citizens, more unfunded infrastructure projects, and more trade agreements that benefit multinational corporations and nations other than the USA). I worry that she might do a gold grab (FDR in 1933) or a gun grab without the consent of Congress. Other than that, I think it would be the shame s~~~, different president scenario.

What wars has Obama got us into?

Obama has less EO’s than any two term President since at least Truman.

Government spying began under Bush.

Free trade? That’s the cornerstone of the Republican Party.

[Anonymous 11]

George Bush Sr. is voting for Hilary.

You’re right NRJ. The Libertarian Party is an amalgam as are all of them. Johnson is a supporter of the TPP and is lukewarm on the 2nd amendment both of which are huge deals to me. I watched him in an interview where he was squirming his way out of even saying “illegal immigrant”. I’m a paleoconservative which are just kissing cousins to many Libertarian ideals though I have voted L on more than one occasion. Johnson just does not do it for me.

A Hilary presidency will be like taking a 12 gauge slug at point blank to the head of what little remains of our tattered Republic.

As Venom mentioned, Hilary losing 19% of black Americans is a HUGE deal and very recent phenomena. Black people wisely vote at a higher rate than other ethnic groups so this carries even more weight than it appears on the surface. Democrats cannot win without their historical 95% share of the black vote. I still have not seen the first black person with a Hilary anything in their yards. I do still see Bernie signs in them though. I’ve spoken with three hardcore Democrats who are either voting Trump or just not voting. Hilary really does nothing to inspire. She is being ginned up by the MSM.

I’m voting Trump even though I have no expectations he will be able to rectify much overall such is this country’s dire financial condition. Though as Faust mentioned, he will go far in reducing the malaise that has taken over this country. It’s much, much worse than the malaise we had during the Carter years.

If Trump can just stop the US from digging the hole any deeper, he will be a success. They can use financial repression over the next 40 odd years to get things back in balance.

[SamsquanchParticipant 4226]

Nathan R. Jessep wrote:

FunInTheSun wrote:

I see Hillary Clinton’s presidency as an extension of President Obama’s presidency (more wars, more executive orders, more government spending and unbalanced budgets, more government spying on citizens, more unfunded infrastructure projects, and more trade agreements that benefit multinational corporations and nations other than the USA). I worry that she might do a gold grab (FDR in 1933) or a gun grab without the consent of Congress. Other than that, I think it would be the shame s~~~, different president scenario.

What wars has Obama got us into?

Obama has less EO’s than any two term President since at least Truman.

Government spying began under Bush.

Free trade? That’s the cornerstone of the Republican Party.

The old worn out rhetoric of democrats when they have no logical arguments to make. I ask, what has obama done to get us out of any of the messes caused by prior presidents? I mean, he has had 8 years, and 2 years the democrats had the majority.

[Anonymous 11]

Nathan R. Jessep wrote:

Free trade? That’s the cornerstone of the Republican Party.

Her husband signed NAFTA into law and granted China MFN status. He is a well known Democrat though it was done with Republican collusion. The Bushes, Clintons, and Obama are just a three way NWO tag team.

What’s called free trade by these NWO types is nothing but arbitrage for the elites with countries that have zero environmental regulation and literal slave labor. Airborne pollutants from China have been detected on the West coast of the US.

Countries have to be more or less on par with each other for free trade to actually work.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

TaxGuy wrote:

If you think your candidate is so freaking good, just look across the isle at the piece of s~~~ they are tied with. I know a lot of guys on here are Trump supporter and I get it. But if he’s such a great candidate, why is he tied with Hillary? That should tell you how much 40% of the population hates him. And the same goes the other way. If Hillary was a good candidate she wouldn’t be tied with Trump.

But most of our elections are decided by a margin less than 10%. That means if you take 10 people statistically you’ll have a 5/5 split with some random 11th guy providing the margin of victory.

Even if we get a bad ass guy in either party as a candidate we still end up with a certain % of the population who just will not vote for the other party. Number of presidential victories decided by >20% since 1824 when they apparently began keeping records…5. Blowouts are not the norm.

[narwhalParticipant]

Beer wrote:

But most of our elections are decided by a margin less than 10%

10% of what? The popular vote? The electoral vote? If you live in a non-swing state, you can pretty much get away with throwing your vote away. Unless people do that in droves, it won’t make a difference.

Unless the sky turns green, my state is going to go for Trump, so I could afford to vote elsewhere. I’ll likely won’t though, since it is unlikely to make much of a statement and it takes effort to research other candidates.

I see Trump as a wild card. Absolutely full of flaws, but rather difficult to predict and definitely changing the rules of the game. The game was s~~~ before he arrived, so what do you have to lose? With Hillary, there is nothing to guess at. It’s going to be s~~~.

I’ll say this though. If there was a Vegas bet on the odds of the next President being impeached, imprisoned, assassinated, resigning, or dying of natural causes, I’d take that bet

Ok. Then do it.

[Gabriel A. KingParticipant 730]

Trump has been packing out stadiums with lines around the block for over a year… while Hitlery can’t even $BUY a couple hundred deviants to attend her rally’s.
And the mainstream media like CNN (Clinton News Network) wants us to believe it’s a “neck and neck horse race”… ? lol
TRUMP HAS ALREADY WON. The media and establishment will of course try and cheat him… which will only awaken and anger the public further. The cheating of Sander’s is already well documented which went over with the majority of the Leftists like a freaking Led Zeppelin. The DNC even had to FENCE OUT their own people at Hitlery’s coronation. lmao

I can see why so many people fear Trump… it’s STOCKHOLM SYNDROME they are already conditioned to feel comfortable being ruled by criminals and liars.

Trump’s honesty, common sense, and alpha male traditional patriotism is an incredibly traumatic shock to all the lemming cuck’s wandering around staring at their IPhones in the post industrial “politically correct” radical Leftist zombie land that was formerly called “America”.

REALITY IS: A vote for anyone but Trump, is a vote for Hitlery.

So the options are a simple “no brainer”.

#1) Vote for T R U M P / P E N C E 2016 or……

#2) Let criminal radical leftist/feminist Hitlery win and watch America and the entire world destroyed.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

narwhal wrote:

10% of what? The popular vote?

Well yeah…considering how you mention 40% of the population on each side hates the other candidate…its pretty much always been this way…even for most of our presidents whom history smiles upon as being great presidents. I’ve never been alive for an election where people agonized over who to vote for because they loved all the candidates…what do you expect people to go around saying “I really like Clinton…but boy do I love Trump!” When you got Clinton saying freebies for all, I’m going to raise taxes, and bring on the onslaught of illegal immigration, and Trump saying I want to simplify the tax code, try to make government more efficient rather than just stupidly throw more money into the coffers, and enforce immigration laws…how is it possible to like them both?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Anonymous wrote:

The well known Libertarian sites I visit are not supporting Johnson.

Sure Trump is a loose cannon, but he is not a criminal. He will win, but the establishment will block him every way possible. He is still better than C~~~erly.

That is immense wishful thinking about Trump. There are multitude of laws Trump has broke, and his campaign had advocated a bunch more.

Want a list?
* Here is one of them:
http://www.pajiba.com/politics/a-complete-list-of-all-the-times-donald-trump-has-broken-the-law.php

And his scandal list:
* http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/donald-trump-scandals/474726/

* Mob ties:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/02/ted-cruz/yes-donald-trump-has-been-linked-mob/

* The promise to Ben Carson:
http://thedailybanter.com/2016/03/heres-the-law-that-donald-trump-broke/

* Illegally emailing foreigners for donations to his campaign:
Donald Trump Just Broke The Law Thousands of Times

You take also the Trump Foundation and Trump University as spots for illegal activity.

There is the reality of Trump boasting he bribed politicians, and used that to say the system is broken:
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/430266/donald-trump-bribery-politicians-hillary-clinton-robert-menendez-solomon-melgen

If Hillary is a criminal, so is Trump. Maybe you can say, “Well at least he didn’t get anyone killed.” Maybe you can fall back on that.

If you say this doesn’t exist, and Trump has no problems, you are turning a blind eye to everything, willfully.

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