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LEO THE WISE 1 year, 8 months ago.
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As for fascism, look up what it means in the dictionary, THEN decide if I meet the criteria… It’s hard to be a fascist when your views are pro-small government and isolationist…
Pro tax = Pro slavery
Slavery = FascismFred, you can’t use logic when people want to think like this. The bottom line is no taxes = no government = anarchy, and according to how Snake wants to define fascism, if you aren’t an anarchist you are a fascist.
I agree with you though, I’d definitely like to see a more limited government, which doesn’t mean no government as I recognize society has a need for government, and although I wouldn’t say I’m an isolationist I definitely think our current foreign policy is quite stupid and we could save a lot of money by not using a military quite so much and by cutting back on foreign aid. Thanks for the civil discussion though, its always nice to share ideas with someone who can at least put forth coherent and non hypocritical ideas to actually make you think.
Exactly – scratch all your ideas, and if I decide I want any of that I will VOLUNTARILY pay the fees to have a road installed. See the difference, between choice and no choice? No, you wouldn’t because you are a happy slave or slave-owner.
And connect that road to what…a public road system? That way something can be delivered to you 99.9999% on public roads and go the last 100 feet down what is essentially a long driveway? You could just move to a third world country that’s too poor to have anything other than dirt roads that amount to commonly traveled paths. I bet you’d be much happier there since you wouldn’t have to pay for basic government services you seem to think you don’t use anyhow, and you’d even be a local hero if your maintenance free farm produced enough food to have extra and share with the locals.
Beer, whose eponymous beverage is as foul as his arguments, presents a false dichotomy between anarchy and what amounts to forcible integration in to the economy. The latter is achieved not only through land taxes but building codes, sanitation codes that criminalize doing one’s business in the woods, and hunting and fishing regulations that prevent one from feeding one’s self. The “services” that are allegedly funded through property taxes run the gamut from shoddy (government roads) to the services whores receive from pimps (cops) and the services captives receive from kidnappers (schools).
Veriversum: I agree with you, you don’t have true property rights in the USA due to property taxes.
Dude the argument that we have been going on about is getting f~~~ing LAND and to not have to pay property tax on the f~~~ing land we own. Assuming you own the f~~~ing land, it is *nothing* to put cows hogs and chickens on it.
Wow. I think everyone gets my point, except maybe one person. I’m glad that most of you do not subscribe to the legislation that constitutes communism.
I’d argue the economy performed better under the gold standard, but a great list of the pros and cons can be found here: gold-standard.procon.org/
I’ll actually have to agree with Snake as far as road privatization being possible. 20 years ago I listened to a lecture by an anarcho-capitalist at a law school who proposed just that. I was skeptical. An anarcho-capitalist is an extremist libertarian, basically.
In the early decades of the 19th century, more money (relative to the economy of the time) was spent on Turnpikes [private toll roads] than on the Interstate Highway System of the 195o’s and 1960’s [see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_highways_in_the_United_States ]. I prefer market based or ‘choice’ solutions to authoritarian solutions (politics) wherever possible. That said, the transition to such an economy would not be instantaneous; privatization of primary and secondary schools, for instance, might be conducted in an orderly fashion, over a period of years, so as to give markets time to absorb the students. Will all private schools perform better than public ones? Certainly not. But at least the poorly performing schools will face market pressures and be forced to close or at least face decreased enrollment. That is the magic of markets, of the invisible hand — efficient allocation of resources.
Government, in contrast, gives us political (inefficient) distribution of resources. Don’t believe it? How many ‘public-private partnerships’ have resulted in huge profits for the government? Or even getting its initial capital back?
At the same time, there is no ‘free’ lunch. There is no ‘free’ health care in the UK; it is simply financed by taxes. For the roads and other services today, though, we use them and MUST pay for them somehow; we can argue whether it should be property tax, consumption tax, income tax, estate tax, capital gains tax, gas tax, etc, or some combination thereof. Ultimately, my goal would be for privatization of as many government functions as possible — but that will never happen in my lifetime. Even the judicial end can be privatized — alternative dispute resolution. Companies do it all the time to resolve disputes quickly and in a fair manner. And one always must keep in mind unintended consequences. For instance, private prisons may encourage politicians to imprison more people due to lobbying from the owners; but then again, unions at public prisons, may promote the same thing.
As far as roads, I just don’t see a problem; our current turnpikes are well maintained, and connect to the public roads.
As for private roads, nobody would pay a ‘fee’ to build the road as Snake implied; typically Turnpike companies form and investors finance the Turnpikes, which are then paid for by user fees (think toll booths). I’ve been on them before so I don’t see why they couldn’t be expanded.
I also disagree about ‘pro tax’ being ‘pro slavery’. I would state it as ‘tax is coercion’ and ‘more tax = more coercion’.
you’d even be a local hero if your maintenance free farm produced enough food to have extra and share with the locals
If it was so hard then why was the neolithic revolution arguably the greatest advancement in human history? More farms = more food = more people = more farms. This entire civilization is based off of how easy it is to manipulate plants and animals. The ability for you to use this internet is fundamentally based on the ease of the agricultural revolution. It will generate a surplus. Three months work will support you a year.
If it was so hard then why was the neolithic revolution arguably the greatest advancement in human history? More farms = more food = more people = more farms. This entire civilization is based off of how easy it is to manipulate plants and animals. The ability for you to use this internet is fundamentally based on the ease of the agricultural revolution. It will generate a surplus. Three months work will support you a year.
I think you are confusing easy with efficient. Farming is more efficient than a society of hunters/gatherers. Its still not easy work…if you have any animals at all it requires work daily to maintain them. If you grow anything its multiple seasons worth of work.
If you are doing it by hand it can be labor intensive at times depending upon what you plan on producing, so acting like you can just self produce enough food with practically no work involved is just beyond stupid.
If you plan on getting tractors, trucks, and trailers and all that good s~~~ you are talking thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of equipment that will need constant upkeep and maintenance, and still require sales taxes when you buy them and property taxes even if you weren’t paying it on your land. Unless you plan on selling some of what you produce its not worth the investment just to be self sufficient, and if you plan on selling the excess, congratulations, you’ve just done the very thing you don’t want to do, got a job and contributed to the tax base and economy.
Anonymous0How the f~~~ did we get from fiat currency to farming, then back to fiat currency?? Anyways, I would have to take the stance of supporting fiat currency. As the population in this country grows, we’d need to expand the amount of currency in circulation, otherwise there wouldn’t be enough currency to go around. Granted that when a currency is backed by gold or some other standard it stronger, I think that have the ability to print money any put any value on it helps a bit.
Although our money is back by our belief in the United States dollar, it isn’t wise to keep your assets in one form and one form only. Take Detroit for example, it was a city known as a manufacturing powerhouse (motorized vehicles, war artillery, etc.). It’s only industry was the automobile industry. Once the automobile industry took a turn for the worst, the city literally changed overnight. Had Detroit been supported by many other industries, rather than just the automobile industry it would not have turned into the s~~~hole it is today.
That all goes to say that you should always, always, ALWAYS diversity your assets. I digress, away from my tangent and onto the main point. Look at the past economic crisis in Argentina, they were using the gold standard (hope they learned their lesson). With our national debt, the gold standard would be insufficient. There is not enough gold in the world to support every country and it’s debt, especially ours alone. The market price of gold also fluctuates too much this day in age. And if you look at countries where gold mines are located there is tension in those countries.
The gold standard is an archaic idea in the modern world. Why back the USD with gold when it’s backed by oil, our militaristic might, economic strength, and its universal acceptance?
PS: Gold standard (commodity currency), fiat currency, or not, unless the majority of our countrymen understand how the financial game, we will continue to see financial failures.
I’d argue the economy performed better under the gold standard, but a great list of the pros and cons can be found here: http://gold-standard.procon.org/
I’ll actually have to agree with Snake as far as road privatization being possible. 20 years ago I listened to a lecture by an anarcho-capitalist at a law school who proposed just that. I was skeptical. An anarcho-capitalist is an extremist libertarian, basically.
In the early decades of the 19th century, more money (relative to the economy of the time) was spent on Turnpikes [private toll roads] than on the Interstate Highway System of the 195o’s and 1960’s [see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_highways_in_the_United_States ]. I prefer market based or ‘choice’ solutions to authoritarian solutions (politics) wherever possible. That said, the transition to such an economy would not be instantaneous; privatization of primary and secondary schools, for instance, might be conducted in an orderly fashion, over a period of years, so as to give markets time to absorb the students. Will all private schools perform better than public ones? Certainly not. But at least the poorly performing schools will face market pressures and be forced to close or at least face decreased enrollment. That is the magic of markets, of the invisible hand — efficient allocation of resources.
Government, in contrast, gives us political (inefficient) distribution of resources. Don’t believe it? How many ‘public-private partnerships’ have resulted in huge profits for the government? Or even getting its initial capital back?
At the same time, there is no ‘free’ lunch. There is no ‘free’ health care in the UK; it is simply financed by taxes. For the roads and other services today, though, we use them and MUST pay for them somehow; we can argue whether it should be property tax, consumption tax, income tax, estate tax, capital gains tax, gas tax, etc, or some combination thereof. Ultimately, my goal would be for privatization of as many government functions as possible — but that will never happen in my lifetime. Even the judicial end can be privatized — alternative dispute resolution. Companies do it all the time to resolve disputes quickly and in a fair manner. And one always must keep in mind unintended consequences. For instance, private prisons may encourage politicians to imprison more people due to lobbying from the owners; but then again, unions at public prisons, may promote the same thing.
As far as roads, I just don’t see a problem; our current turnpikes are well maintained, and connect to the public roads.
As for private roads, nobody would pay a ‘fee’ to build the road as Snake implied; typically Turnpike companies form and investors finance the Turnpikes, which are then paid for by user fees (think toll booths). I’ve been on them before so I don’t see why they couldn’t be expanded.
I also disagree about ‘pro tax’ being ‘pro slavery’. I would state it as ‘tax is coercion’ and ‘more tax = more coercion’.
How the f~~~ did we get from fiat currency to farming, then back to fiat currency??
Because Doc wanted to control the debate and make another thread, so f~~~ it.
Pecans.
Keymaster, will you approve my post please sir?
“How the f~~~ did we get from fiat currency to farming, then back to fiat currency??”
Because ultimately, I have been criticizing the US communist/socialist government for using fiat currency and the 10 planks of communism to compel people into the work force, and criminalize subsistence. Central Banks/Fiat currency are plank number 5.
Ten Planks of Communism applied to US:
1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.
Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership)2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State “income” taxes. We call it “paying your fair share”.3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public “law” 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of “terrorists” and those who speak out or write against the “government” (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc…).5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.
Americans call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver’s licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
Americans call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read “controlled or subsidized” rather than “owned”… This is easily seen in these as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Americans call it Minimum Wage and slave labor like dealing with our Most Favored Nation trade partner; i.e. Communist China. We see it in practice via the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two “income” family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920’s, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.
Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public “law” 89-136. These provide for forced relocations and forced sterilization programs, like in China.10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Americans are being taxed to support what we call ‘public’ schools, but are actually “government force-tax-funded schools ” Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based “Education” . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like “majority rules”, and “pay your fair share”. WHERE are the words “fair share” in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is “fair share” even suggested !! The philosophical concept of “fair share” comes from the Communist maxim, “From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism. … America was made the greatest society by its private initiative WORK ETHIC … Teaching ourselves and others how to “fish” to be self sufficient and produce plenty of EXTRA commodities to if so desired could be shared with others who might be “needy”… Americans have always voluntarily been the MOST generous and charitable society on the planet.There are people on here arguing in support of communism claiming that they are capitalist, while supporting every single piece of legislation that constitutes communism. What I am doing, is calling people out for it. Those who have actually examined the legislation, and have an education and understanding about what communism/socialism is, by reading “The Communist Manifesto”, “Mein Kampf”, etc know what the real game is. It’s all collectivism, it’s all oligarchy, and it’s all been depopulation of the subjects by their rulers as per Thomas Malthus and his “Essay on the Principle of Population”. The people that support these views, support genocide and slavery, period. War is the primary positive check for population growth. Want to talk about farming? The system farms production from people, and then mass slaughters them when there are too many people for the ruling class to control, and they fear being overthrown. Rulers benefit from war, while subjects suffer. Those of us with an education and understanding of this Oppose fiat currency for that very reason.
Depopulation:
1. Famine by Stalin and Holodomor – Millions dead. Stalin also had an execution squad at the rear of the firing line to kill anyone caught fleeing.
2. Hitler’s Holocaust – Not just jews. More or less any impoverished people found were murdered, including gypsies and numerous others. Hitler had a section of “Mein Kampf” dedicated to depopulation/overpopulation ideologies.
3. Japan’s Atomic Bombing/Kamikaze – The two cities chosen were not the capital where the rulers were residing. They were the areas where there was the most poverty. They handcuffed Japanese pilots to airplanes to ensure that they would die, and convinced them to crash their airplanes directly into enemies.These are just 3 of many examples of democide. They are all the result of collectivist ideologies. Meanwhile, the ruling class benefits from war through the stock market and banking industries. The “beneficial” effects of destruction on the economy were originally favored by the ruling class before the broken window fallacy emerged. Let’s send little Johnny to war, and become shareholders in the corporations that manufacture war machines. This is *NOT* cynicism. This is what *actually* happened. This is what actually *happens*. Not only do the ruling class have incentive for war, there is no incentive for peace…at all. That’s why the US has been at war for most of it’s existence.
“The art of war is a natural art of acquisition, for the art of acquisition includes hunting, an art which we ought to practice against wild beasts, and against men who, though intended by nature to be governed, will not submit; for war of such a kind is naturally just. ” – Aristotle, Politics
“It is characteristic of a tyrant to dislike every one who has dignity or independence; he wants to be alone in his glory, but any one who claims a like dignity or asserts his independence encroaches upon his prerogative, and is hated by him as an enemy to his power. Another mark of a tyrant is that he likes foreigners better than citizens, and lives with them and invites them to his table; for the one are enemies, but the Others enter into no rivalry with him. ” – Aristotle, Politics
The war is rulers versus subjects, and fiat currency, war, and debt are the weapons. The people who are educated and aware, that haven’t chosen violence, want a truce and an end to the use of humanity as a disposable gravy train. I can understand how people who, have not read history at all, and get their point of view provided to them by the theater of “Republicans VS Democrat” television shows don’t get the big picture of it. I have chosen not to take up arms, but I will DAMNED SURE fight these ideologies and tactics with words, and I will not be silenced by anything other than death. The populace needs to understand that the people that they pledge allegiance to, have no allegiance to them. Maybe there was a time when governments actually represented their people, but that is long past, because people are completely separated from the legislation process, and are sent to war whether they like it or not.
Those who have had their opinions and beliefs furnished to them by the theatrical propaganda machine are trained to treat people who object to planks of communism as silly, bomb-wielding mustache anarchists for opposing each law. Ultimately, anarchists believe in self defense. Statists believe it’s righteous to imprison and enslave people under the guise of protecting others. Brow-beating you with ideologies on television is called “programming”. People are just programs in the matrix; products of their environment. Even science says so. The voices that are heard the most often dictate the belief system and narrative, and then when an ideology is adopted by the public it becomes forced on even people who do not want it.
The control mechanisms have different names:
1. Religion
2. Law
3. Political Parties
4. Feminism
5. Climate Change/global warmingAll of these are actually Dogma. Law is a religion. They tell you that there is a law, and you believe it. It’s based on credulity. How dare you question the rulers. You are supposed to keep quiet and do what you are told. If the rulers tell you that’s how it is, anyone who opposes what they say is to be framed as an idiot. The manipulation is failing..
The function of law is to create and perpetuate an advantage for the ruling class, and subjugate and suppress all others under the guise of protection. There has never been a time in history, when it wasn’t used to those exact ends.
Conspiracy isn’t theory. It is the status quo.
If you say it isn’t, then how do you justify the existence of the:
NSA, ATF, CIA, MI6, FBI, KGB, Army, Navy, air force, Marines, Coast Guard, Mossad, etc ??It’s just plain childish for anyone to insinuate that psychopaths do not use:
Sabotage, blackmail, arson, assassination, deception, kidnapping, burglary, etc.AND THAT PSYCHOPATHS DO NOT INHABIT GOVERNMENT. There is no mechanism to prevent psychopaths and sadists from acquiring positions of power.
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It’s naive to think that the ruling class does not make plans and takes steps to perpetuate it’s wealth, or acquire more, at the expense of others. There has never been a time when that wasn’t the case. If you think that is the case now, then why are you complaining about the welfare state, and the government taking your money? I rest my case. It’s an institution of theft.
Veniversum: If people craved the subsistence lifestyle, they’d be buying mobile homes and moving to rural areas, cooking and eating at home, and live minimalist lifestyles. They don’t want this lifestyle. This is the reason for the Great Migration FROM rural areas into the Cities. Nobody is ‘criminalizing the subsistence lifestyle’. Rather, my lived experience in rural areas is ‘Nobody wants to live the subsistence lifestyle’. Of those that stay, some want to get away from the ‘corrupting influences’ of the City (typically conservative fundamentalist Christians), but most still want the advantages of trade and commerce, e.g. purchasing steel farm implements, motor vehicles, etc.
That said, government as a percent of GDP has grown from under 10% of GDP in 1900, to close to 40% today http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/include/usgs_chartSp04t.png — so by that objective measure, our ‘freedom’ has been diminished in lockstep. We can still prosper, but if government was 10% of GDP, and we enjoyed a 30% pay hike, it would be easier to do so for ‘savers’. ‘Spenders’ aren’t likely to prosper regardless, in the sense that they’ll always be wage slaves, albeit, with smaller government, they’ll have more of the ‘stuff’ the makes them happy. You really do have to ask yourself, what does government do for me NOW that it didn’t do for a citizen in 1900? Roads are better. I have a worthless ponzi scheme social security retirement (ha). I get subsidized higher education. But is it really worth 30% more? I say no. Personally, I think 10% GDP is about right — nuclear defense, minimal military, most spending on roads & infrastructure, which I’d eventually like privatized. I’d like to see less ultimately, but a gradual decrease of the State to 10% would make me very happy.
In the modern era, the positive check on population growth is PROSPERITY. Higher GDP, lower birth rates. Look at the statistics.
I agree with most of what you say, Veniversum, except the population/depopulation issue. You use Thomas Malthus and his essays on population to support a depopulation agenda. Apparently claiming there is no overpopulation, yet when you look at Malthus predictions and current trends image
it seems to me it is pointing at a possible population problem in the next 50 years. Malthus was not alive to see modern medicine’s effect on survivability and age. His predictions of 1 billion every 25 years has apparently doubled in the last 2 generations.
Perhaps create a new topic with your arguments?
See, when debt is created out of nothing and used as money, the entity issuing it has the power to decide what happens in society by the projects he deems worth of funding, regardless of all other factors.
That’s de facto totalitarianism. This fact alone makes fiat currency untenable for a freedom oriented organism such as man.
Well said, sir. Well said.
I agree with most of what you say, Veniversum, except the population/depopulation issue. You use Thomas Malthus and his essays on population to support a depopulation agenda. Apparently claiming there is no overpopulation, yet when you look at Malthus predictions and current trends image
it seems to me it is pointing at a possible population problem in the next 50 years. Malthus was not alive to see modern medicine’s effect on survivability and age. His predictions of 1 billion every 25 years has apparently doubled in the last 2 generations.
Perhaps create a new topic with your arguments?
Yes, that subject has many facets and should be formed in a another section. For the record, when you said “You use Thomas Malthus and his essays on population to support a depopulation agenda.” I should go on record here, and say that I absolutely DO NOT support a depopulation agenda. It isn’t necessary at all. It benefits only the ruling class. Overpopulation is a myth, and in fact population is beginning to drop and several countries are in crisis as to how they are going to grow economically while their population dwindles. I have seen mention of this by many other MGTOW members, just since I joined, which was only a short while ago. Murdering people in order to benefit the ruling class, and perpetuate the structure of society is exactly what I was talking about when I said “using humanity as a disposable gravy train”, and was also exactly what George Orwell was talking about when he said this:
” The war is waged by each ruling
group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make
or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society
intact. The very word ‘war’, therefore, has become misleading.”For the record, when you said “You use Thomas Malthus and his essays on population to support a depopulation agenda.” I should go on record here, and say that I absolutely DO NOT support a depopulation agenda
Yeah, I don’t think I stated that clearly enough. I was trying to say that you think there is an agenda to depopulate us. Not that you believe in a depopulation agenda. It came out wrong, but it’s cleared up now if there was any misunderstanding.
For the record, when you said “You use Thomas Malthus and his essays on population to support a depopulation agenda.” I should go on record here, and say that I absolutely DO NOT support a depopulation agenda
Yeah, I don’t think I stated that clearly enough. I was trying to say that you think there is an agenda to depopulate us. Not that you believe in a depopulation agenda. It came out wrong, but it’s cleared up now if there was any misunderstanding.
There is an agenda to depopulate us, that’s why the ruling class won’t shut up about overpopulation. Clearly, a given group of people benefit from the entire process of it. Primarily, financiers, and share holders.
I edited a post on here and then it disappeared…how strange. Can an administrator restore my post, please?
I think there is some kind of anti-spam filter in place, Veni. If your post contains multiple links, it goes into a queue to be approved by a moderator. Not sure how it works, but it seems to be something like that. If you don’t want it queued, I would avoid multiple links, even quoting multiple links.
The BB software seems to hate links. Would it be possible to allow anything through the filter for, say, members who have posted 100 messages and been on for > 3 months?
Veniversum wrote: You still don’t get it. Everyone would of course prefer a good job integrated into a modern techno wiz bang society, but if that doesn’t happen for you:
SHOULD THERE STILL BE AN OPTION TO HAVE A SUBSISTENCE LIFESTYLE? The world is making it impossible. And you’re fine with it because you THINK you’ll never need to live that way. But what if some people need or want to live that way? Is that ok with you? Or should they be murdered?
No, the world isn’t making it impossible. In fact, it’s EASIER than at almost any time in human history. Granted, incomes are down slightly in the last few decades for young people in the USA. I’ve worked in my younger years, cleaning office buildings, sweeping, taking out trash, etc. If you live together with 6 or 8 others, your rent is almost nill. You can eat beans and rice, and make all meals at home, purchase all clothes at thrift stores, etc. I see Mexicans that send much of their income back home, living like this, every day. You don’t need a car if you take a bus or walk to work. That sort of subsistence existence is certainly attainable today, with minimal effort. Indeed, it will take so little to live that you will be able to easily take off every other year. If 10 people live in a double trailer and pay $500 a month, we’re talking $600 ea per year rent per person. The ‘self-sufficiency’ of living in a rural area and providing for yourself is also attainable, but very few will have what it takes to do the latter (off grid, garden and farm provide food, make your own clothes, etc).
Sometimes you have to take a ‘s~~~ty’ job to be self-sufficient; but what is ‘s~~~ty’? The McDonald’s cook may think their job is s~~~ty compared to the manager, and the manager, think their job if s~~~ty compared to the owner’s. A 3rd world worker’s job may be very s~~~ty compared even to the McDonald’s worker’s. But his factory job is still better than the s~~~ty job on the farm he left, else he would have stayed in the country farming. We can’t all be CEO’s. As we gain work experience, we typically move up the food chain if we’re good solid performers. If you like living rough, live on a campsite. Go into town to get your rice & beans occasionally. Pay for it doing a few odd jobs every week. Build skills and the economy rewards you.
Where is the ‘evidence’ for an ‘agenda’ to depopulate us? People are CHOOSING to have fewer children. They typically do this as national incomes increase; you see it almost everywhere in almost all populations except ones that don’t believe in birth control.
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