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[KeymasterKeymaster]

Thanks Iron Soldier. It occurred to me on my own when I realized how women use the whole “baby making” s~~~ as a plan. No animal does that. No animal even thinks about it.

Then one of my exes (now married) emails me after like 7 years and says “you should have a kid”.

WHAT THE F~~~? you’re someone else’s WIFE now and you’re emailing me on Valentine’s Day to say HI after like years of nothing, telling me to have a kid?

So I replied with “how do you know I DON’T??? Even I can’t be completely sure”. And I left it at that.

…. to which there was no reply.
Pretty sure her brain exploded on the other end too.
In fact, I bet she had to read it 20 times before she understand what the f~~~ I just said.

Mind-blowing is right!

But at least I know she finally understood it.
Because i never heard from her again.

Perfect.

Welcome to MGTOW man. And Happy New Year!

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous]

BAAAH HUMBUG!!! Ima New Years Grinch/Scrooge whatever! 😀

But in all seriousness 2014 was a fairly good year for me-
Two of my favourite teams Die Mannschaft and Real Madrid won the FIFA World Cup and UEFA Cup respectively.
Became a member of this amazing website and got to meet some of you really amazing gentlemen and experience the amazing stories of your life.
Severed all contact with the remaining feminists and manginas in my life.
Got my s~~~ together and treated myself to some brand new stuff like a new PC and a new phone and finally a pair of new shoes that I had been planning to get 😛
Remained a virgin in spite of a couple of attempts on it by a neighbourhood cougar with huge racks who is always on the prowl. 😉

Well heres hoping 2015 to be an even better year for us all. God/Nature/Science Bless us All! 😀

 

P.S. Made this one in a hurry so no jokes plz 😛
P.P.S WE’RE THE KINGS OF OUR OWN LIVES AND WE F~~~N DESERVE THE CROWN, DON”T WE BOYS? 😀

[BrainPilotParticipant]

I made emotional investments and tried to be the nice guy/white knight with about 5 different women between high school and finishing residency training (when doctors actually start making a salary above minimum wage). That period takes about 13 years. All 5 of these women either friend zoned, ignored, or used and discarded me. But none cut contact completely. As my career launched, one by one, all five of them drifted back around and miraculously discovered a new appreciation for all my wit, charm and personality that they’d somehow overlooked all those years before. Each one thought they were the only one doing this. Each was sort of keeping me in reserve for when I finally got out and started earning. And each one thought she was the only one who had this plan, and had no idea of the others. By the time the 5th one did it, it was predictable, and pathetic. I could have used each for easy sex for a short time before discarding (a strategy may of my friends advised). But I turned all of them down.

I was polite about it, and I used a strategy they couldn’t argue with. I reminded them that we had been friends for all these years and that during that time, we’d both had other boyfriend/girlfriends/spouses come and go, but our friendship had survived. I told them that our friendship had become so valuable to me that I didn’t want to risk losing it by bringing romance into it. How could they argue with that? LOL Of course, this was a giant load of bulls~~~, but no more than the load of bulls~~~ they had just handed me about their newly discovered love for me (that coincided with my new salary).

It might have felt good to take the easy sex for a while, but it would have only felt good for a while. Turning them down still feels good even after many years.

You learn an awful lot about how women think when you turn down an offer for sex from them. Deep down, they didn’t buy my load of bulls~~~, and deep down, they knew I hadn’t bought theirs. By the time they came back around and I turned them down, we were in our early 30s. I don’t think any of them had been turned down before. They were visibly shocked…an indication of how deep their sense of entitlement had been. They were all fairly attractive (although poor, I did have good taste). When it happened, they seemed to realize that they had become depreciating assets. One by one, each of them married the very next guy who showed any interest in them at all. They got married as fast as they possibly could to whoever would take them.

If you’ve never had the experience of turning down a woman who offers you sex, especially a fairly attractive one, I highly recommend you doing it at least once in your life. It is enormously enlightening into their thinking. And if they are a gold digging parasite, it is really satisfying…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[BrainPilotParticipant]

Saying no to, or otherwise refusing to give a woman what she wants is like a wrecking ball hitting a building. I’ve had similar experiences and been amazed at the change. They can be civil, even nice when they are getting why they want (your time, attention, money, status etc). They assume there’s nothing you have that they can’t get by dangling the hope of sex in front of you. And to be fair, there are enough blue pillers and nice guys out there who treat them this way that it’s predictable that they would think this. The value of sex is apparently infinite and it is enormously reassuring to them that they will always be able to get anything they want by dangling the promise of it. When you say ‘no’, you smash that belief, and all the security that it provided for them. The intensity of the response you are getting is in direct proportion to the intensity of their sense of entitlement to whatever you had. The more successful they have been at getting what they want this way, the less well prepared they are for it when this doesn’t work.

I have one of these little princesses for an ex wife. She was a really attractive trophy wife when I married her (kind of a life sized barbie), but she priced herself too high. I said no more after about 2 years and rescued myself. I think I’m the first man that ever said no to her in her life. The divorce was final more than 10 years go. I thought I would try to be friends with her after it was over. We had been fiends early on in the beginning when we’d first met, and on principle, it seemed more civil to try to at least be on speaking terms. She used the contact with me to try to convince me to get back together with her, but when I continued to say no, she got more an more angry.

This was a slow process over about 5 years. I think she convinced herself (probably with the help of some of her female friends) that I could never get a woman as attractive as her again and so I’d eventually take her back. I never did take her back and as her looks start to fade, panic slowly started to set in. She slowly got angrier and nastier when we’d speak on phone and finally I stopped taking or responding to calls or text messages. I figured if I just ignored her long enough, she would eventually just get tired or bored and go away. I was wrong.

When they get to that point where they are considering just going away, they realize that this really is the end. They have to acknowledge that they aren’t as valuable as they think, and that they’ve been rejected. It’s destabilizing to them because they don’t have a back up plan for getting what they want. At that point, it becomes about revenge. Simply by withdrawing your offers of time, money, attention etc and anything else they planned to take from you, you have somehow personally insulted them. This is how their thinking works. It’s so unreasonable to us that it’s a shock the first time we see it. The lesson from the experience is that from now on, when you are going to abandon them, you either have to make it seem like their idea, or you have to be already out of reach (new address and phone number, deleted Facebook access etc) before they realize it’s happened…

If they can’t get from you what they felt entitled to, and they are going to have to accept the reality of being rejected, it’s an enormous shock to them. If it’s the first time they’ve been told no and they are in their 30s when their looks are starting to fade, they realize they’re over that hill. I’ve seen this and they sometimes react by throwing themselves at the next available man they come across (panic). But if they are younger, or firm in the belief that they still look good, then they feel entitled to hurt you to get even. And it so enrages them that there’s almost nothing they won’t do or say.

Five years after I stopped responding to my ex, I still got wild crazy ass messages on my voice mail. She finally crossed the line in one of them and threatened to call the state agency that regulates my career field and ‘tell them whatever story I have to for you to lose your license, or at least lose your house for the legal fees to defend it…’. Making false claims in my state, if you say it, it’s slander and if you write it, it’s libel and both are civil offenses here. Making the threat is harassment and is a criminal offense. I saved every message she ever left, and played them back for my attorney.

The attorney called her and explained that we would be presenting this evidence to a judge, asking for a restraining order and filing a criminal harassment charge. Although we knew nothing much in the way of legal consequences would come of that, we also knew that a charge of criminal offense of any kind other than traffic ticket shows up on back ground check of her forever, and becomes a major issue for her in her career. When that was explained to her, it brought some reality to the situation. It’s gotten quiet lately, but I suspect that when the statute of limitations for filing the harassment charge runs out, she may be back…

I would say it’s likely that what these women have done is a criminal offense in your state as well. It might be worth an attorney communicating this to them. The divorce courts favor women in every state, but the criminal courts are not such a safe bet for them, especially when there’s a digital written record of what they’ve done. I hope you impose some consequences on these brats, and keep us updated here if you do. Whatever you decide to do, your experience is valuable and all the mgotw community can benefit from learning from it. There are women like the ones you describe in every state and it’s worthwhile for new mgtows who haven’t experienced it yet to know that they are out there…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

Hey guys, here’s my story.

I grew up in a h0use full of estrogen-three women including my mom, all older. My childhood was made up of trying to find something I was good at to escape my s~~~ty house where my dad would get roaring drunk whenever he would be around screaming and yelling at everybody. The rest of the time the three women were planning strategies about marriage, sex, getting cash, and the destruction of the men around them. I didn’t really know what it meant until I got older and starting running sound for bands and then going around the world. I was raised in a “destroy men” think tank.

The behavior of women I have run into the past 25 years has been unbelievable! For the first 20 years it was somewhat amusing watching them jockey for position to get into the band dressing rooms or giving me a bj at the sound booth or backstage.  But mostly I was amazed at how they would immediately thrown their dates under the bus just to get a chance to upgrade their status with some famous guy, or even worse, to just punish the guy who brought them to a gig for who knows what by letting that sucker pay the ticket price, buy her drinks and swag, drive her there and then to watch her disappear with some excuse to suck some other guy’s dick. Great for awhile if you were me or the band, not so great for the poor chaps who  spent their money and time and never figured out what was going on. Poor bastards.

The 80’s was an era that should return immediately! I remember one night when one girl in the crowd following me into the bathroom at the gig put coke up my nose and sucked me off on the spot and left with a smile on her face. Where have all those chicks gone? They are on the internet looking for a mark.

I managed to escape all the attempts by women to get me into the CONTRACT my whole life. No marriages, no kids, no alimony, no child support.

As all of my friends in bands and the biz got older and married, my place started being the go to excuse for when my married friends would need to go get a piece of ass. Panicky ass wives leaving endless messages all night on my answering machine wondering where the heck their husband was. Well, he’s out getting a piece of ass since you won’t give him one you idiot duh! I’ve always been happy to cover for my friends because the rules of the relationship war have always been in favor of whoever owns the vagina. It is true that if women didn’t have those, we wouldn’t have any use for them.

From the time I was doing sound for the very first band in high school it has been the same story: women are clueless. They rely on group behavior since they have no idea what they are doing. Their nature is to spend their entire lives being choosy to the point of their own failure. They do very little actual work. Contribute near nothing to business. F~~~ things up for all workplaces. Spend countless hours trying to figure out how to destroy other women. Take any b.s. story from any publication that has a more attractive version of a female being a spokesperson, and then proceed to repeat whatever that idiot said to the group to validate themselves. Pathetic. They lose, we lose. If you have a successful business with men, all it takes to destroy it is for one women to get hired. They start with seductive clothing. Then winks and invitations. Then if you don’t fall for it, a harassment lawsuit. If you do fall for it then they sense when you start to care, and f~~~ your boss to upgrade their status and then the company will start to fail. Assholes.

All was well in the 90’s in my world as the internet was born and guys like me had a field day. We could line up a great piece of ass weeks in advance of the tour hitting a certain city and by the time we got there all of us would have a great f~~~ lined up and we were set. It was awesome. Can’t believe that some guys are still falling for the fake online picts even to this day….we made sure we got full body shots of all of them and their friends so we were rarely disappointed. Party time never ended!

I don’t remember what day or year it was exactly but I made good friends with a guy 10 years older than me in a bar one night and we took a couple chicks back to his place. After sending them home in the morning, we went out to breakfast and he told me his story. Very smart guy, and liked an easy piece of ass as much as I did. For the next ten years, we were at one club that I would work at when I wasn’t on tour and he was a reg there. We managed to get so much pussy, he lost count. I didn’t really, because I was used to having to count things. It was a heyday that was incredible. It got so ridiculous that I would just pass any of them that was less than a 9 directly on to him since he wasn’t that picky hahahaha. Finally, the place we would hang out closed, he moved away, I moved as well. I learned much from that guy and still talk to him often as we have very similar views on things. I’ll be posting some of his wisdom and stories down the line.

The next chapter was the Facebook era. A complete nightmare for most of my musician friends. All of us needed to create profiles to keep work coming in and this made us an instant target for any psycho bitch who we f~~~ed on the road, sometimes decades earlier. Guys were melting the f~~~ down man. Horrible. I was one of the smarter ones. I saved all the photos, letters, emails, everything I could from all those bitches since I had learning something important: women do not want to pay their own bills. They do not accept responsibility for their actions. If they can keep a guy under a spell, they will do so as long as possible while spending all their own hours trying to figure out how to get a guy with higher status so they can out brag their friends, balloon to giant porker sizes, and then blame men for everything real or imaginary. They will stop at nothing…extortion, blackmail, anything to not have to cover their own shopping bills, medical bills, car payments, nights out, you name it. They are insane. So, facebook is for them to further extortion attempts and to provide them a henhouse full of billions of old expired vag owners to conspire and complain to while men go out and do the work.

I had to consult a lawyer to see what kind of s~~~ might be coming my way because of the crazy bitches coming out pretending they hadn’t been riding the c~~~ carousel for 20 years now sending me emails about how much they missed me and wanted to see me again. What a crock of s~~~. Whenever you can, make them give you cash for every time you visit. Doesn’t even matter if you are broke or not. Make them pay you. For every dollar you get, they have lied their sad ass into hundreds of thousands of dollars over time by just dangling the pussy, taking it away, and dangling it again, then suing men in court with made up stories when they can’t get more money out of us. F…..them. Older guys will know what I’m talking about on this.

Anyway, so far I’ve escaped any bulls~~~ from these old loser bitches because they have more to lose than I do at this point. The smarter ones remember those pictures that the band guys took of them and I’m happy to remind them of their letters they sent that go on and on and on showing their true nature as lunatics along with all the scanned photos of them sucking me and my friends off.

Now in the era of Femanazi, all of us are in danger. Near ALL of my male friends are screwed now. They are in unhappy marriages. They are getting old, sick, and broke from paying women’s bills and legally being forced to pay women’s bills. They are facing lawsuits for s~~~ they didn’t do, let alone think about. Who was it that said “its interesting that all the women claiming rape and date rape charges are so ugly we wouldn’t screw them anyway.” Wise.  Marriage is a scam guys, don’t fall for it. Save your own life before you mess up and its too late. Women will say ANYTHING to not have to pay bills. Over time and when I have time, I’ll post more from my life and my friend’s life about what we’ve been put through and I hope it will be helpful to everyone here at MGTOW.

I’m currently rebuilding my business as the entertainment biz has largely been destroyed in the past ten years. Its ok though…one thing I know for sure: if you are a man, and you have plenty of money, there will be women young and old giving up the puss and trying to take your cash from you.

 

[StargazerParticipant]

I had a discussion with a “strong, independent female” recently who is living off her ex-husband while looking for a “billionaire to take me to all the best places”. For the time being, she’s employed by a private jet sales company as a “marketing consultant” which means “stand next to the jet and look pretty” and then has the nerve to say he following:

“Aviation is a male dominated field… it’s an ‘old boys’ network full of pigs and chauvinists.”

To which I responded: “Is it male dominated because because only men want to work in the field or because women want to be pilots and airplane manufacturers but can’t make the grade or because they just don’t want women in their industry… I mean, clearly they hired you!”

And she said: “They’re just a bunch of rich little boys who think their money gives them the right to do whatever they want. They have bad attitudes about women… it’s all about the money.”

And I said: “Yeah, it’s all about *other people’s* money and if people like you weren’t always after their money, that money would have no power. They only get to do whatever they want because their money says ‘jump’ and you say ‘how high’!”

And her final point which I think is the original point of the thread is “Men only care about money so I only care about their money.”

So here’s a gold digging whore justifying grabbing at men’s wallets because those men are filling their wallets by running businesses and making things and being successful. I guess she figures if men were more interested in just giving her their money, she wouldn’t have to engage in the ugly business of trying to take it from them.

[ja391045Participant]

*The service desperately needs more MGTOWs to share the knowledge.  More than any other category, the servicemen are the most preyed upon by women.*

I absolutely loved my time in the Marine Corps, and I wouldn’t trade it for the world.  I spent eight of the best years of my life, made Sergeant in four, and loved every second of that wonderful suck.  I joined the Marines out of a love of family tradition.  I was raised solely my father, he and my grandfather were both Marines. One served in WWII and Korea, and the other in Vietnam.  They had the best, most exciting stories while I was growing up.  They both also possesed a quality I’d seen in few others.  It wasn’t until after I joined and been on my first combat deployment when I figured out what that quality was.  That un-named quality that I couldn’t figure out is the capacity for great, barbaric violence, coupled with the judgement and empathy to do violence only when it’s necessary.  There’s something about knowing, without a doubt in your head, that when push comes to shove, you will pull that trigger that is very, very calming and reassuring.  Nowadays, when I get into arguments, or run into bad situations, my blood pressure barely rises.  I just become more calm and aware.  Both my dad and grandfather had this same trait.  Absolutely no fear of even the most dangerous places or people.   I know I’m not invincible,  I know there’s all manner of people out there who can and will kick my ass and leave me for dead, if not outright murder me.  I’m not the baddest motherf~~~er on the block.  I just know I’ll handle it to the best of my abilities and I never have to wonder about any what-ifs, or what-will-I-do.

On top of those more intangible benefits,  they also had life long male friends from the Marine Corps who would literally drop anything and everything if one of the group needed help.  I wanted that for myself, and I got it.  I’ve got some great life experiences from my service, and some of the best friends, which I consider family, anybody can ask for.  I even have a couple female Marine platonic friends who are true NAWALTs and will tolerate no drama or bulls~~~ what-so-ever.  When I joined, I was given some counseling about the bulls~~~ that develops from fraternization, and chose then and there to not get involved with any woman in uniform.   Now, that’s one piece of advice I wish I had ignored, as female Marines are some of the only women I can stomach prolonged exposure to.  Even after all I’ve learned in the past week or so of reading here and watching Bar Bar videos, I can’t picture any of the female Marines I know being that dishonorable to anyone.  The Marines *forces* honor and self-reliance into your psyche.  If that doesn’t take, you’ll end up a washed out s~~~-bird, mopping floors for the rest of your enlistment in no time at all.  I absolutely *hate* the feminization of the military, and so do all the female Marine veterans I know.   They know just as well as everyone else that the next step is going to be a drop in physical and readiness standards, because women can’t compete in the Marines unless they are absolutely exceptional.  So the feminazis are under full steam to get the standards lowered.

 

The military is the one place that desperately needs more MGTOWs.  If you are serious about helping men, this is where to start.  It’s where I plan on starting.  All military servicemen receive enormous pressure to find a girl and get married.   I was smart, for a guy on the blue pills, and listened to my SNCOs when they told me that under no circumstances was I to marry until I made at least Corporal, and preferably Sergeant.   Even then, they said, marry a foreign girl you’re bound to meet on a WESTPAC.   It was difficult at times, because the entire military system is designed to get young, 18 or 19 year old non-rates married as quickly as possible!  The pay scale is higher for married enlisted, so Marines start searching for a bimbo just to get a pay bump, which they don’t realize the woman will suck dry.  Right off the bat, young Marines see a financial gain for hooking up with the closest base-skank.   Married non-rates get to live in base housing or off base, and collect BAQ (extra pay).   Married non-rates get out of pulling duty, or standing watch so they can “go home to their wives”.    Then, as soon as we deploy, all the women start looking for the next step up or the nearest meat head to bang.  After an extended deployment, comes a rash of messy divorces, which can devastate a unit.   There’s a whole class of parasites who dedicate their lives to leeching off servicemen, and the poor kids, fresh out of boot and all of 18 years old just aren’t ready for the onslaught of pussy with strings attached that is thrown at them.  The base-skanks are experts at the game, the boots don’t even know they are playing.

We have word for women who hang around bases, drop their panties for anything with a high and tight, and after years of work on her back finally lands a boot too stupid to know better;  “dependapotamos”.

Here’s some nice illustrations of the problem:

http://terminallance.com/2010/08/06/terminal-lance-56-myths-and-legends-ii-the-dependapotamus/

http://terminallance.com/2010/02/09/terminal-lance-11-where-the-big-bucks-are/

So if any group of men need an introduction into the machinations and thinking process of women, it’s those who serve in our armed forces.  That, and the pussification of the military by dropping standards to accommodate women is a political battle against femenism I think can be won.  Even most women don’t want military standards to be lowered in order to accommodate women who can’t hack the physicality.   They know an Armed service full of weaklings can’t protect them.

When you think about it, the Military can be an ultimate adventure for a MGTOW.  You don’t get to “go your way” so much as you get the coolest toys, the best paid vacations, and some of the absolute best life experiences.   Sometimes I was shocked, absolutely shocked, that I was getting PAID to hang out with my buddies and blow s~~~ up.   I was astounded I was getting PAID to fire machine guns out of a helicopter, or go for a ride in an M1A1 and watch it spread some hate and discontent.  On top of that there’s the barracks CoD or Madden parties, and more pussy than you can f~~~ if you are smart enough to kick them out afterwards.

 

Even if you aren’t going to join yourself, or are already out, do your best to reach out to those young lads who are going to join or have just recently joined.  They are such easy prey.

[YouWishParticipant]

I thrashed them bitches. If you remember a guy named Not Budging, I am that obnoxious motherf***er. I ate them and shat them out. I finally had to walk when I got so p~~~ed at a feminist I offered her a plane ticket to come let me slap the silly off her face. I told her I would get my money/bunk time’s worth.

Then it hit me; I’m doing what I walked away from.

My mom had a mild heart attack and the doctors suggested her to rest in bed for at least five days straight. After five days, they will come and tell her if she needs more rest or not. I know that she needs her rest so I am adamant to make sure that she gets it, no matter what. So, I began to do everything for her, just to make sure that she gets her rest. On top of that, my sister came to visit for 3 months with her 1.5 year old daughter.

I woke up at dawn and began cleaning the whole house (An infant’s ability to mess up your house is legendary). Once done, I went down to the marketplace to buy three chicken and groceries. I came back, cut the chicken, washed it (Here, they only kill the chicken and give it to you. You have to cut and skin and clean it yourself). Once done, I cooked those chicken all in time for the guests to arrive. That’s right, guests. My sister’s in-laws visited us to meet my sister who had returned to our country after years. Well, the guests came, I called in work and told them that I will be late. I entertained the guests and when they were gone, I gave my mom her medicine, gave my niece a bath and went to work.

I returned from work. Found out that my mom was getting bored. What did I do? I took my router and set it up in the middle room, just so that she could get reception on her iPad and watch the daily soaps. But alas, the internet cable was not long enough. Fear not, I am a man. I measured the length, bought new cat-6 cable and connected my router from the hub, making sure that none of the wires are visible as they passed along the wall. But the router’s power cable was too short! I bought in a new power outlet, drilled the wall, installed the socket, connected it from the main powerline. Voila! She had reception. Then I found out my niece was getting bored and crying because her mother won’t let her touch the fridge! So, I took some styrofoam (From my computer box), some wires, pieces of cardboard and lots of ductape to make her a toy refridgerator (Shops were closed). Then I fed her as she played with that fridge (He mom was reading). Then I played ball with her (She won’t sleep, jet lagged). Then I changed her diapers. finally, went to sleep at 4 in the morning, to wake up the next day…. rinse and repeat (except for the router set up part and the guests, thank god for that).

Gist:

– I had 4 hours sleep at night
– I went shopping
– Prepared Chicken
– Cooked food for 8 people
– Entertained guests
– Gave her medicine
– Gave my niece a bath
– Went to work
– Came back and used my geek skills to find a solution
– Used my engineering skills to implement that solution
– Used my creative skills to create makeshift toys for the niece.
– Fed her, played with her. Changed her diapers.
– Went to sleep at 4 am.
– Woke up next morning to clean and cook once more and go to work and return home to look after my niece (I am more than glad to do that. I loved every moment of it).

I had to take a bath at 2 in the morning because that’s the only time I got to do so. Also, I had to miss a few meals. I am not complaining that I had to do all that because I chose to do all that myself. I have no regrets and not blaming anyone else for it. But what happened a few minutes earlier is why I am writing this:

My mom, strictly disobeying doctor’s orders, got out of bed and walked up to the Kitchen. Do you know what she said? Where I had hoped a simple display of admiration or thanks, she started bitching about the food, not being in the refridgerator. I told her, I did not put it in the refridgerator because I was planning on heating it up for dinner which was in about 5 minutes. Hamsterwheel! I can’t even say what her logic was because it clearly did not make any sense, so little so, that I can’t even remember it. After that, she said some hurtful things, my sister sided with her (Which was surprising because she always sided with me). Even my father sided with her (Mostly because she was ill, dad’s not a mangina). The only person to side with me was my Niece who just walked up to me and kissed me on my cheeks before giving a pleasant smile and continuing her monkey business. Even an infant understood what I went through and that I was being wronged….

When all was said and done. After a few minutes, she called me for help in connecting facetime with someone.

Like any other being, I was born out of the womb of a female. While connected through the umbilical cord, I was fed, healed, protected and allowed to take my time developing. Like any other being, I’m emotionally linked to earth, a fertile planet full of life and lately, humans and its pests. Ants, termites, viruses and parasites in general are blossoming at the empire of man, the end of biodiversity in the current sixth mass extinction, mono-crops favored by men, barbed wire, most construction and development compromises the future of fauna in our planet.

In times of extinction, many sensible beings are opting out of life. Why participate in the procreation of a species that finds amusement in exerting power over their partners? What is really the “red pill”: the old truism that men and women game in the battle of the sexes, or that we are too self-centered in our playboy and soap-opera lives to realize the pressures earth is suffering are also affecting its sentient species, driving the masses into an orgy of fear, senseless intercourse, loveless competition for love, distracted attention seeking.

We have always known that like many other species (including most felines, primates and some birds) males and females relate problematically. Bob Marley wisely pointed out:

If she’s amazing, she won’t be easy. If she’s easy, she won’t be amazing. If she’s worth it, you wont give up. If you give up, you’re not worthy. … Truth is, everybody is going to hurt you; you just gotta find the ones worth suffering for.

That is the way it is supposed to be. There is no eternal Yang without Ying moving it forward.

I would have liked my introduction to be a bit more cheerful, this is where I am now, disappointed at men, disgusted at women, ashamed with earth, isolated in a cabin near a surf town in Uruguay, running away from the local cougar-witches and falling in ONEitis for surf-girls half my age. I’m scared at what we have done as a society and at the same time have a body stressed to replicate my species in this fake prosperity. I finally feel am getting rid of my catholic faith and have begin reading about lighter, newer gods, and invoking the rebel angels that fought Yahweh for freedom. The role of earth in the cosmic battle between Yang and Ying is just beginning to show up. My role in this decisive battle has changed recently. I’m old enough to no longer have to be a reservist soldier of Christ. Bill Hicks said something in the lines of: “‘I’m sorry if any of you are catholic. I’m not sorry if you’re offended, I’m actually just sorry by the fact that you’re catholic.”

I’m in my best shape at a time when I have already switched sides. I still believe in the divinity of women, and I realize it might be simply because in this artificial earth, women are one of the few animals I can appreciate. Although as domesticated as men, dogs and chicken, women have a natural connection to earth, to fertility and are in charge of the procreation of the sentient species on earth. Just this last fact should be enough for men to love women.

The problem is that this sentient species isn’t doing its job, it has forgotten its destiny, society is caught in the solipsism of its self-reference, from game to money. What is human destiny? I’m only beginning to understand. I hope I emerge from this isolated cabin with a new mind-frame that would make relating with my human siblings more energizing. In the meantime I’m with Bukowsky when he wrote: “I don’t hate people, I just feel better when they aren’t around.”

My current reads: How to Make Girls Chase, Thus Speak Zarathustra, Lucifer’s Rebellion, Walden.

My heart broke while I was reading some of the other “men-bers” stories on this forum. There is a lot of pain and suffering here.  I lie awake at night very thankful that I never married any of my previous exes, as I easily could have had a story as painful as many of the ones I’ve read here today.

So anyhow…. here’s my story of how I ended up here:

I only recently took “the red pill”… but I don’t think I can clearly define my reasons for moving over as clearly as some of the men here. I’ve never been married, never divorced, no kids, nothing concrete really. I feel like I’ve just left a series of relationships with dealing with women’s emotions have been absolute HELL! I will fully admit that I’m a sensitive man, and that I have a harder time looking past some of the things women will say and do (which is probably why I never married)… but I feel like some of the ways women act in relationships is f~~~ing horrible, and I’m really sick of it. Here are a few examples:

– I started dating a girl when I was 20 and we were hanging out at a bar when she asks me “have you ever had a blowjob?”. I was a little startled by the question but replied with “uuhhhh, yes”.  “YOU BASTARD!” yelled as she ran out of the crowded bar crying. I wish I could have calmly said to myself “glad that crazy biotch is gone”, but I was too immature and inexperienced with relationships.  I became consumed with anxiety with that girl and eventually impotent.  I was with that abusive woman for two years before finally freeing myself (luckily the sex drive came back with a vengeance!);

– I flew out of town for business when I was 26 and when I came home I was having a serious conversation with my GF (different from above). She told me that honest was the most important thing so I told her about a lap dance I got when I was away.  The next day she shows up outside of my work SCREAMING AT ME “I ASKED A GUY AT SCHOOL AND HE TOLD ME THAT A LAP DANCE IS CHEATING… YOU CHEATED ON ME!!! YOU CHEATED ON ME!!” She wouldn’t stop so I grabbed her by her jacked and said angrily “get the hell out of here!! This is where I work!”  She later told me she called the police on me (she lied).  This girl ALWAYS had to get what she wanted, if I didn’t comply she would make my life a living hell. My mental health really suffered with her;

– I met a girl about a year ago who was divorced. She had cheated on her husband and had allowed the “other guy” to hang around and call her or send messages. Sometimes she would pick up the phone when he called, or return his message. When ever she did she would always tell me it was my fault, that something I did motivated her to answer his messages. Anyhow, I repeatedly told her to get ride of him. Then when we became serious I told her she HAD TO get rid of him. Finally I told her “him or me”.  Two weeks after this even she FLIPPED OUT on me and caused 8 days of hell, constantly accusing me of everything, saying I had abandonment issues when I told her I needed a “cooling off period”, saying I had anger issues when I told her her behaviour was unacceptable. At the end of the 8 days she calmed down and felt like everything was cool between us… it wasn’t, that’s when I told her I was done. This woman had an emotional switch that would turn her into a bull in a China shop. She would say the most epically hurtful things to me when ever the mood came to her. If I stuck up for myself, she got madder… if I walked away to cool down she BLEW UP!

Little did I know at the time (with the 3rd girl above) that I was done with women in general. I was planning on taking the next year and put all of my energies towards making myself a better person. But when I came across something on a message forum called “MGTOW”, it got me thinking… I just can’t put up with women who have no grasp on their emotions and allow it to make them be so hurtful. And in my experience this is almost all of them.

The title of my topic is a MLK Jr quote (I’m a Canadian caucasian, I just like the quote), and the point is that I have no idea where this path will take me, but I feel like it’s taking me in the right direction.

Thank you for having me, Staten.

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Welcome DT. And thanks for joining. Of course we read it. MGTOW always read it. Top to bottom. They may not always respond because your story (as you know) is common, and we get almost exactly the same words from men who arrive from all other cities and different lives – exactly the same way. So thank you for dropping it.

I have family in Toronto and know exactly where you came from… and how you got here.
But here is something you may not know….

When we finally started getting serious she broke it off because she told me “she didn’t trust me”

That’s very convenient. But the f~~~ing bitch doesn’t know anything about how trust works.

RESPECT is earned.

TRUST must be freely given (or not) until it is abused or taken for granted.

When women say “i don’t trust you” it’s a f~~~ing s~~~ test. And totally transparent. This is every woman’s lazy way of sitting back with her arms folded, thinking she can say 4 words… and now she expects YOU to stand on your hind legs to somehow jump through hoops to *prove* you are trustworthy. She does this for her own entertainment so she can sit back and say “AW, how cute. Look what I can make him do.” Never fall for that s~~~. Here’s why…..

Women will tell complete f~~~ing strangers (online or offline) the most intimate details of their relationships and sex lives with strangers and everyone else before the guy they are in a relationship with. We actually had a woman here(!) who did that last week. She came and asked us about how to get her boyfriend to engage in her sex and bondage fantasies and we told her to f~~~ off this website and talk it over with HIM.

99.999% of the time when a woman says “she doesn’t trust you”, it means you can’t trust HER. She doesn’t even know the meaning of the word.

TRUST works like that. People tell hairdressers, bartenders, complete strangers sitting next to us on an airplane (and even people online!) some completely personal things we don’t discuss with friends or family. And why? Because those people can’t hurt us. You girlfriend can. Your family can. Your wife can. Your boss can. Except complete strangers won’t … because they don’t give a s~~~. You automatically “trust” more easily people you don’t know… before the people who are closest to you.

You don’t EXPECT someone to prove trust.
You either trust them FREELY… or you choose not to.
That’s how trust works.

But women think RESPECT should be automatically given to them….. and TRUST must be EARNED. Both are f~~~ing lazy as s~~~. They are cop outs. They are trying to get off easy. And it’s pathetic. “You need to respect women”…. and “I don’t trust you” are complete bulls~~~. You want to break up because you don’t trust me? Fine. LEAVE. Go get a puppy to perform tricks for you instead. You will trust me freely or you will not. Your choice. Or get out.

Simple as that.

So the next time a chick says “how do I know I can trust you?” you know exactly what to do.

Ask her: “How do you know you CAN’T?”

You will not prove you are trust worthy to anyone. They will, trust you. Or they won’t. When you make a business deal you shake hands. Right there, a stranger trusts that you do the job… and you trust that you will be paid for it. You don’t ask them to PROVE it right then and there. That would be tacky. Just like a woman who says “I don’t trust you”. OK then. Get out.

Trust is up to THEM. Respect is up to YOU. As a man, you will learn this – like it or not. As a woman, this would get lost on her and she will get mad – because you called her out, you know better, and she won’t get her way. She knows she has got WORK to get respect. And “I don’t trust you” is a goddam LIE. She will trust some stranger before you, so you get rid of her when she says that.

Thanks for the inspiring thought.
You just got here and you already made a valuable contribution. And probably didn’t know it.

Cheers.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

Greetings, I guess I’ll start with a little bit about myself. I’m 27 years old, and just got out of a 4.5yr marriage(more on that later). I served 6 years in the US Air Force, did one tour in Iraq, and jumped between Combat Communications and Broadcast Engineering. Went through a year of hell, wife divorce me, and I moved to another state for an awesome job. I am currently doing Incident Management/forensics contracts, and trying to break deeper into the IT security world.

 

 

My Experiences and Story

I’ve dated quite a few different girls. My first LTR and eventually LDR started about 2 years before I joined the military. About one year into my enlistment she cheated on, and dumped me while I was away at EOD school. I let it get to me, washed out, and ended getting re-classed. I’m not going to focus a lot of this relationship, because I was ignorant and learned very little from it. The one thing I did learn was never to let a woman consume you to the point to forget what it is you really want.

 

After all that, I had a few flings, but nothing I could really feel that serious about. Well, there was one, but I fortunately dodged a bullet because she got stationed overseas.

 

Now to the beginning of the real story that brought me here. By now I was at my first duty station, sharing a nice townhouse with a coworker, and going out every weekend, living it up, getting positive about life, etc. We use to hangout at this strip club(and yeah, I know you can see where this is going already), we never took it too serious, and usually just had a good time. Well, I met a girl who worked there. I guess I’ll just call her Cupcake. Cupcake was actually a sweet and beautiful 18(I was 22) year old girl who had a good head on her shoulders. We were friends for a few months, and eventually started dating. Everything with Cupcake and I is awesome, but one day she shows up to my house crying. Apparently her male roommate tried to pressure her into having sex with him, she refused, but ended up masturbating in front of him. I was livid, told her I needed to think about this, and headed off to work. I had an older coworker friend that told me to f~~~ing kick her to the curb immediately, but I was all about forgiveness and doing the “right” thing at the time. I mean, I’d want another chance if I f~~~ed up right? So are the ways of the foolish beta. So I forgave her, and all was well.

 

A few weeks later, we end getting married. I hope by now you all can see how f~~~ing retarded I was. We moved in together, and surprisingly things were not all that bad. A few months later I had to deploy for what turned out to be almost 8 months, but was originally meant to be 6. Looking back on it, there is were I should of realized this chick had zero empathy. I tried my best to be supportive when I had the energy and time to speak with her, but it was all about her. I get back, and it’s just a nightmare of misery. My feelings don’t matter, I’m worthless, nothing is good enough, etc. This goes on for the rest of our marriage basically, and gets worse as she moves up the ladder of successful wealthy stripper. She eventually convinces me I should get out of the military early. I had wanted to anyway, but I needed more planning time. I do this for her because she threatens divorce.

 

I end getting out, and paying most of the bills and groceries with unemployment money while she hordes all her fat cash, and complains. Eventually we separate for a while. During these months I start to get my s~~~ together mentally and physically. She comes back, senses a change in me, and wants to try working it out. We move Vegas for her work, and everything seems fine for about a month. Then…she turns into a f~~~ing psycho. Emotional and psychological abuse hits a whole new level of crazy. I finally just f~~~ing cracked, and went as extremely beta as one could go. I stopped looking for a new job, I stopped taking care of myself, I gave up on life, did whatever she said, etc. She wanted a divorce, but made it difficult to get it done and let me be on my way. I had two friends who stood by me the entire time, and finally convinced me to just do whatever she wanted to get it filed, and leave. So I got up the courage, and I f~~~ing did it. I left with the clothes on my back, a laptop, and one bag of luggage. No fault divorce, let her have all the crummy senseless bulls~~~ I don’t need. Flew to another state to room with a friend, and he helped me restart an awesome career.

 

For a while she keeps trying to talk to me, and make me think all of this is my fault, and that really I was the one that spurned her. I choose not to put up with this. She also stalked my reddit, and noticed I had been reading redpill and MGTOW type stuff. She goes nuts, makes it public she has this new guy. A guy she had apparently been seeing before our divorce. I guess she thought this was going to get to me, and it did at first. But in the end, it just burned her f~~~ing bridge with me completely.

 

The divorce is still pretty fresh, and good part of me still misses her and cares about her, but I will never f~~~ing turn back.

 

A Few Highlights and Observations

 

• Self respect. Have it, and don’t let anyone try to take it away from you, or even worse give it away to someone because they have your heart. The berating, constant reminder of how worthless I am, physical abuse, etc destroyed me as a person. I became exactly what she spent years telling me I was. Then she discarded me.
• No contact. This is extremely important. Cupcake to even almost two months later with some other wealthy guy banging her out tries to keep her hooks in me. Before she let the cat out of the bag about her new victim; she feigned some sort of love for me still and tried to work her way back into my bank account. Talk about how I should send her gifts, and how she’ll have extra money to come see me. F~~~ all that. She had her chance; she is f~~~ing done.
• Ultimately you have to take responsibility for yourself. I look back, and see where I failed as a man. At this point I could give a s~~~ less about how I “failed” her, because that s~~~ changed on a regular basis regardless of what I changed or did differently.

 

 

I apologize for the messy story format. I’m a bit busy on and off, and there is just SO much that I could have added that it’s almost easier if people ask me to clarify, or go into some details about specific things. I will gladly do so. I am really glad I found you guys, and I am ready to start the path of going my own way.

[StargazerParticipant]

So last night I met this same blue pill guy for dinner and drinks and we had a nice long chat about bartenders, white knighting and MGTOW. Here are a few highlights:

Me: “If you owned a bar and were going to hire your first bartender and could choose between a man and a woman, which would you choose?”

After first answering “The woman… everyone loves to look at t~~~.” he finally admitted that a man would work harder, care more and be a better asset in general than a woman and that a person should be hired for their skill and not for their ability to get bags of saline implanted into their bodies. Plus if you run a good bar, it will attract men who will attract t~~~ so you get them in the end anyway and don’t have to pay or take responsibility for them.

And when it came to White Knighting… here’s what happened:

Him: “Scoot down one so I can offer these women next to me my seat.”
Me: “Looks like they’ve already got enough seats…”
Him: <stands up and offers chair to female>
Female: <ignores him because they’ve already got seats>
Me: <suppressed laughter> “Dude, if a female wants something from you, let her ask for it… THEN try to f~~~ her.”

And then I casually mentioned MGTOW:

Him: “How can they go their own way if they’re following some movement?”
Me: “It’s not a movement, it’s more of a philosophy… that the value of a man’s life is not measured by his utility to a woman, her child and the state but rather by how well he lives for himself and his own ideals.”
Him: “Sounds like a bunch of divorced woman haters.”
Me: “The irony of it is that the more a man lives an authentic life, free of controls and expectations, the more attractive he becomes to women who he can then enjoy without conflict or compromise.”

If I can at least get him to read up on the idea a bit… even if it is initially as a scheme to suck up to women more… maybe he’ll find something of value in it. Well at least I’ve planted the seed. Now it’s up to him.

[euphemus2Participant]

This will definitely be my last post. I’ve come back to say thanks to you Dazz for being a cool dude.

I read your story and its a s~~~ty thing that’s happened to you. You’re worried about your son, but what can you do? He’s a man now and he’ll make his own choices – some of them risky – you can’t stop young men doing stuff that’s bad for them – just be honest with him about your experience (remembering that you are talking about his mother – your ex is his mother – boys get touchy about their mum’s) – you’re in a tough spot. Tell him that if you could do it all again you wouldn’t get married: that marriage isn’t fair on men. Then, be around to help him when things go south. Not much else you can do really.

You’ve done your job as a father. You did a good job by the sounds of it. So, the big question: What do you do now? What do you want? Could that be something you do just for you to make you happy? What about you?

I’m not gay – I don’t subscribe to any of its bulls~~~ and I don’t participate in its community / culture. I don’t hang around gay bars. I go to my local pub (Australian for “public bar”). I live in a rough area of western Sydney and I just go to my local. I was a regular at my last local in inner-Sydney and I made a tight group of friends through my regular drinking partners – all straight men. We got along because we were of similar intellect and had similar interests and views on the world.

One guy, we’ll call him “John”, I used to badger mercilessly. He was in his early 50s. He was a smart dude. He had been an architectural draftsman in his early career and a journalist. That developed into a freelance graphic design / publication layout business – he got to use his combination of aesthetics and technical skills. He worked part time at the local Uni too. He had a huge house in inner-Sydney worth a fortune. He let out rooms in his house to visiting academics and other travelers. But he was in a rut. So, I used to hassle him at every opportunity (I was shameless) that he should let out the house and go travelling – he’d never traveled but I knew he’d just love it.

Finally, he took an 8 weeks trip through Europe. He stayed in cheap accommodation, backpackers, and with people he’d put up over the years. I got postcards from London, Paris, Hamburg, Helsinki, Prague, Amsterdam… He loved it. The architecture is what really blew his mind – it had always been an interest for him and now he walked the streets of Medieval cities and got to walk into some of the most modern and innovative buildings on the planet. Who needs an orgasm? Then I went into phase two – I didn’t let up.

His brother was a geo-engineer type for mining in Malaysia. Next time he visited we got drunk together at the pub and I told him about my plan to get John out of Australia. He thought it was a plan. So, he invited John to come to Malaysia and got him to “do important favours” involving his catamaran. John spent weeks at a time going there to put it in for maintenance and taking it around the islands because his brother was “far too busy”. I pestered John to rent out the house and just move to Asia and live like a king on the income.

His house is now rented out and I haven’t seen him for years.

Another friend after his divorce – many years ago now – bought a BMW 1000 motorbike with a bike-trailer and traveled around Australia for a year. He did odd-jobs here and there to support himself. He had an adventure!

At the end of my 13 year relationship, I had no commitments, no debts and 50 grand in the bank. I rented a farmhouse in a beautiful isolated location – 2km to the letter box, 2km to the nearest neighbours, 40km to the nearest town. I trained two dogs, put in gardens, built a chicken run, incubated eggs, bred mice, rehabilitated injured native birds, kept a few sheep, trained as a snake-catcher (I can catch venomous snakes and Australia has heaps of them)… I did what I wanted – all those things I put aside because other people needed me – I traded and bartered and did a bit of part-time work but essentially became self-sufficient. That’s what I wanted. The initial plan for 12 months became 5 years. I was lonely sometimes but I was more happier doing my own thing.

Now, I live with my elderly mother – she had a heart-operation earlier this year. She looks after my eldest brother who has an intellectual disability. She’s got 10-15 years then I have the duty to care for my brother. I do the gardens and the pool. There’s a bedroom in the house, but I renovated the garage room so I have my own apartment / man-cave with a kitchenette and toilet so I’ve got my own space (and aircon thank f~~~ing Christ- it can get to +120F here). I’m doing a law degree now too. I’m finding better things to do than base my life around relationships. I get laid here and there when its available but for the most part I have better things to do.

Its not over. What do you want, Dazz? As a man your not trained to do what you want or think about it. As you get older you’re told you can’t do what you want. But, that’s just not true. You’ve done what you were supposed to do, now do what you want to do. I hope you find what you want, and thanks again for your kindness (that was brave).

I think I have finally found the answer to why men, and women can’t live in peace on this planet allow me to list my 5 reasons!

How often have you heard women saying “Men Do It To”, or “Why is it ok for Men to do it, but not Women?”.

Let’s dismantle this flawed female logic —>

#1. Men and Women are equals, but we’re not identical comparing women to men is like comparing an alien species they’re nothing like us !

#2. Women are suggesting that they’re exactly the same as men biologically, and that our purposes in life are the same, or that we can some how pick and chose which traits we want…you’re not at freaking build a bear >.> ! In a way women are playing God (which I consider to be the laws that shape our world) they’re tampering with forces they cannot control, which clearly shows how much of control freaks they’re.

#3. Women don’t take responsibility for their actions, and blame everyone around them for why they did…what ever it is they did ! They want to be treated as adults yet they have to be nurtured, and taught like children to be respectable human beings.

#4. Women lack understanding of their purpose in life so instead they have to mimic men, and shadow our accomplishments we’re responsible for 95% of societies advancements. The reason women are responsible for so little, is because they lack the ability to think for themselves its like a child that needs to be told everything to do, and when to do it.

#5. Women are naive how can you better yourself, or address a problem when you don’t even think you have one in the first place ! Its like watching a crack head deny that they have a addiction problem when they’re shooting up every other day. Women are exactly the same they do things harmful to both themselves, and to those around them and they’re completely  unwary to it all.

‘Walking Dead’ Shatters Winter Finales Ratings Record, Thrashes ‘Sunday Night Football’ Again
http://deadline.com/2014/12/the-walking-dead-ratings-season-5-finale-sunday-night-football-1201304308/

A show about zombies gets more viewers than NFL football? What’s up with that?
Does anyone have a ready explanation as to why one show’s popularity is rising and another’s is declining?

I’ll bet the Patriarchy is behind this!

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[iamamanParticipant]

Guys, please pardon me for the long post 🙂 I ended up writing and rewriting for hours! Just that by now I had spent over ten years studying trading and building a trading system, so excuse the length, and take it with a grain of salt and look around the internet your self, and please ask if you have any question.

KeyMaster, Buy Low. Sell High means that you are predicting the low or high, price movement is largely unpredictable because of all the transactions that is factored into the price, as humans exhibit illogical group decision making from time to time, and the prevalence of High Frequency Trading systems performing trades between banks and brokers in between your trades, and trading algorithmic systems used by hedge funds and banks, so the whole thing is a mess and unpredictable. Therefore any kind of speculation may lead us to See elephants in the clouds. The answer is to aim to quantify and control loss, to focus on controlling exit losses as opposed to entry opportunities derived from fundamental analysis, and this is why I am a Trend Follower, which I will explain below.

* A truely enlightening book is Market Wizards, by Jack D. Schwager. I like this book because it does not have any technical information, but only simple interviews with markets top traders and hedge fund managers, from which you will begin to understand the need to be a Systematic Trader, be it Trend Following or any other.

From another perspective, there is a related notion which says Buy Cheap. Sell High, this may apply to everything in life, but not in trading, because:

• In real life yes you can buy a car cheap and sell it expensive and make the difference, so the car has inherent value which deteriorate in time.

• In trading any position entered into the exchange has zero value, so there is not cheap or expensive stock because value is relevant to a later sell if you have bought and vice versa, in fact value always begins in the minus if you factor in the spread and commission if you are trading stocks, or premium if you are trading options, and from that point in time onward that position may appreciate or depreciate in value or remain somehow the same if the price doesn’t move.

KeyMaster, I have been where you are now, I averaged down in a martingale betting strategy, I watched the news, learned everything, had a great broker but still sometimes the market will go where the market will go with complete irrationality, and it may never come back for years, which mean you may end up holding on to losing trades and locking your money away from better use, and may end up liquidating such losing positions because of other factors, trades.

Just look at all the mayhem that is happening in the world right now, and you would think oil would surge but instead it was shot down. So prediction is truly and impossible chore.

The answer, kindly hear me out with an open mind:

 

I only speak from my own trading experience which began painfully dark but later I saw the light, so my humble advice is:

• Research a trading strategy called Trend Following, most hedge funds use a variation of the same, basically by devising rules solely based on price movement by using mathematics to do so, while ignoring everything else like news or fundamental analysis.
• Never buy any system that is out there, no matter how good it works on paper, because you did not create that system which means you may not fully understand how it works, especially charlatans that claim complexity or sophistication, as a good system has simple rules and allows for a good margin of error – You must have heard about a hedge fund called LTCM, those people had Noble Prize winners in their midst! *Personally this is why I like Systematic Trading, I am a no body compared to the rich and famous on Wall Street, yet with a mathematically systematic approach, I can trade not knowing how much money I will make but I know exactly the maximum about that may be lost during any time frame which I have full control over (positin sizing and stop placement), of course minus sudden catastrophic price changes but I need not worry such disaster in one or two positions because we trade conservatively and diversify objectively.
• Do your homework and create a system your self from scratch by studying raw OHLC (Open, High, Low, Close) data time series, there are tons of free historical OHLC data resources on the internet.
• You do not need to know complex mathematics to create a system, just the four operations (Add, Minus, Divide, Multiply) will take you a very long way in your research.
• Trading with Risk Management rules (stops, position sizing, timing) is not Gambling, but until you have done your research and created a solid foundation and have it tested thoroughly, otherwise do not trade at all, may be invest in a Hedge Fund that practice Trend Following – that is only if you see why this strategy is important from your own research.
• Trading is not investing, because the act of trading in entering a position into the market where such position always start with no value and may only appreciate or depreciate in time, in the future, so you must be able to measure the performance of any such position, thus the need for some type of mathematical system in order to measure how positions perform as time passes, measure probability of loss and amount of loss from which you may decide your position size, and to measure where the Stop placement.
• If you ever wish to become a Trend Follower, you would want to trade anything that is trending in the direction of the trend, by that I mean trade into breakouts from certain price levels in the direction of the breakouts which can be found from doing some research on historical price data, so you would buy and sell later if the price is going up, or sell then buy later if the price start going down, and do nothing if the price is stuck in range, which then you may look for other markets that have breakouts.
• You need not limit your self to any market because in Systematic Trading all markets prices are measured against a timeline and defined using simple mathematics, so with few measurements and adjustments you can normalise your positions sizes according to the risk you choose for any trade.
  (e.g. some stocks move $2 a day on average, others move $10 a day on average, lets say if both were trending and you want in, you would calculate position size for each differently according to your global risk parameter that is how much you are willing to lose at a stop loss placement, so logically you would probably take a smaller position size on the stock that moves $10 a day in relationship to a larger position size for the stock that moves just $2 a day – such calculation is an example of the means of Systematic Trading, also known as Algorithmic Trading, Trend Following for example is a collection of such calculations and rules that is mainly geared towards going in the direction of the trend over the long term, however there are other systems that you can come up with that leverage from short term counter-trend patterns).
• You need not limit your self to buy only, The Trend is Your Friend, in Trend Following you make money in falling and rising markets, you lose money in stale markets, where you also have the option of opting out as you need not trade if there is no good indicator of a trend.
• All price data is good for research (i.e. Stocks, Commodities, Currencies, Bond, …), as price data may look random and different from one another, yet they can all be normalised in percentage basis for purpose of researching or trading difference markets, because all price data series are stored against the same time intervals (minutes, hours, days, …) and therefore all have a property called Scale Invariance which means no matter how much dollar value they move a day, you can always adjust to that as mentioned in the $2 and $10 that is mentioned above in point 8, in fact Scale Invariance also applies across timelines of the same price data period, just look at any two charts of any totally different securities, also for example look at any daily and weekly where you could zoom into the daily and make it look at the same magnitude of weekly, regardless of direction that is just to explain the concept of Scale Invariance. Pardon the jargon, this Scale thing is a very simple yet important concept because it explains why you can trade any securities by only adjusting to differences in their type (priced in USD, GBP, commission cost, …), if you limit your information to price only and measure using mathematics.
• Research using mathematics for measuring price is more relevant to your equity because it is quantifiable, even margin of error can be quantifiable then, where as news and fundamental analysis is not directly quantifiable for use in determining position sizing and risk in general, and fundamental analysis can be so vast with all the information that is out there, and can be easily rigged at any time due to politics, or can lead you to some biased opinion, there is just too much chance in fundamental analysis although it can be used as a secondary measure to supplement technical analysis.
• The more historical data you research, the better, so if you are serious about this stuff and wish to create a system, get your self a copy of SQL Server and learn SQL programming, so you can import OHLC data, do research and create and manipulate data, its basically a much more advanced Excel.

Some resources:

• Trend Following
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trend_following
• Turtle Trader – How two hedge fund managers trained random people from outside of the financial industry to become some of the world’s best traders using Systematic Trading methods
  http://www.investopedia.com/articles/trading/08/turtle-trading.asp
• Richard Donchian – The Father of Trend Following
  http://stockcharts.com/school/doku.php?id=chart_school:trading_strategies:donchian_trading_gui
• Jesse Livermore – An early Trend Follower
  http://www.investopedia.com/articles/trading/09/legendary-trader-jesse-livermore.asp

DO NOT LISTEN TO ANYONE ON WHAT TO DO WITH YOUR MONEY – Do your own research, take your time to learn more and achieve more at a later stage.

Trend Following is such a radical idea that a lot of people I meet within the center of the financial industry deny, many very smart people still refer to trading as long term buy and hold investment just because their broker advice them to INVEST here and INVEST there, when the truth is that trading is not investing as I had explained above, and buy and hold is wishful thinking and a gamble when you discount the mathematical definition of risk management just because some smug hotshot self centred broker in a monkey suit hiding behind some old money big name, living off the conflict of interest that is called commission, instead of the decent and honest traders and hedge funds that charge performance fees and employ responsible risk management, just because the prevalence of EXPERT and all the sophisticated bulls~~~ that exist nowadays such as Bloomberg advisers and information stuffed terminals, hundreds of technical indicators claiming to predict the next winner, main stream noise such as CNBC others, up to the minute news (why would I care if I lose 6 hours of news in any day if I am objectively diversified and my stops are set, so I refuse to log around a smart phone unless I am traveling abroad, locally I use a simple Nokia with numerical buttons and no email).

There is truth in Trend Following because this simple strategy downplays the rampant noise and our self destructive quest to predict the future, Trend Following encourages Risk Management (stops, calculating position sizing) and downplays the role of position entry, yet encourages research into historical price data in order to build and update the trading system, yet discourages any other interference with the trading system (e.g a hunch, fundamental analysis, …), or any other information besides the results of solid research for which a system can be updated periodically.

Trend Following taught me modesty not just because I wish to level with others but also because when I am modest I live outside the noise and the extra needs that we think we need, and from there I learned preservation of capital not because I am stingy but because I choose to live without unnecessities and because no matter how much money you have, there is always a project that requires some cash, and since I live outside of the consumer culture I have plenty of time on my hands, hell I no longer listen to much music with lyrics anymore (unjustified second hand emotions) as I find solace by talking to my self that is that voice in your head which is continuously suppressed by actual noise that is everywhere in this city environment from some billboard that I forcefully read because I drive down some road frequently to some lyrics in some song telling me how to feel at the wrong time of the wrong day. Trend Following taught me about Faith, Fate and God, where Faith is some sort of a system of rules, applied randomly across a large number of tries (law of large numbers) would yield a specific result at some point in the future, prediction is forbidden in the faith that I was brought up into so it is mentioned that only God would know Fate, I am a skeptic of religion but Trend Following taught me to appreciate religion as a system which has become flawed because its interpretations were never updated with new research results from science because once upon a time religion worked miracles so it was never updated, and that is why religion nowadays seem so outdated, such an experience is consistent with my trading experience, and finally the definition of God, to me God is another word for Everything just like what the decentralised FX market to a trader or even to a bank at about $4 Trillion daily turnover, that market is very unpredictable but also very liquid and tradable by Trend Following without the need for any predictions because large trend often form there, yet its transactions are so complex, diverse and spread around the world that no one entity has control over its pricing over the long run, even if short interventions happen, so by such understanding I view God as everything that is too tiny or complex that is beyound the grasp of human’s control (e.g. Cancer, Accidents, …) or too large that is also beyound our control (e.g. Tsunami) and we humans are also part of God yet we live in the middle of those two extremes and have control only over each other with limited natural resources, so yes God is very real, in fact God to my current knowledge is as vast as planet earth including everything that exist, so by this definition God is a physical fact and not an entity living somewhere else, and unlike us that think independently, God is one huge complex chunk of earth that include us and therefore God is perfectly interconnected in a way that we cannot achieve even with our latest technologies and advancements, that is how real and controlling God is, and that is how logical Trend Following is.

What MGTOW did by radically uplifting my standard in positive manner, Trend Following did many years ago to my life and trading.

Regards.

Hi everyone,

I originally posted the following on happierabroad.com, but they told me I’m in the wrong place and come here. Okay.</div>

The reason I was in that other forum was because I’m thinking of going overseas to look for women, since it seems pretty hopeless here in the US. I’m not MGTOW in the sense of  completely giving up on partner sex, and I never plan to go that far, but I’ve never really gone out of my way to get them either. Masturbation looked good when I was 13, it looked good during my college years when I turned down lots of opportunities to lose my virginity, it looked good at age 27, after I finally lost my virginity, it looked good 99.9% of the time in my 30’s when I found it easy to get girlfriends (the .1% is the time actually engaged in the sex act with a cooperative woman), it looked good during a ten-year spell starting about age 42 when I gave up on sex, it looked good after deciding to break the dry spell back in June of this year, then a month later discarding the woman when she started to become a PITA (not that I was every really that attracted to her), and continues to look good now, even though I’ve been seeing a semi-pro escort for the past month (met her on seekingarrangement.com) who I’ll probably stop seeing pretty soon, because I’m finding paid sex to be boring, worse than masturbating to fantasies of women who actually like the sex.

Real sex with a partner is simply not that much big a deal, at least not to me. More than anything, I wanted to retire young, because I always hated working and not having freedom to spend my time as a I chose. Lack of freedom and lack of money is what really made me unhappy, not the lack of a woman and especially not the lack of children, who I never wanted. And I saw early on that women could potentially interfere with early retirement, and that is why I avoided them for the most part. I made a few slips during my late 20’s, once to lose my virginity and then again to get some more experience. Both times, the women tried to get pregnant on me because they saw I had a good job and probably had a lot of money saved up too. (I couldn’t help blabbing about saving and investing and similar money topics, since these topics obsessed me.) Both said condoms made them sore, then they said the birth control pill was making them sick. At least they gave me hints of what they were up to. I made sure to sabotage these relationships pronto and go back to being alone. Finally I met a girl who I liked very much as a friend/soulmate. Conveniently enough, she stopped wanting to have normal sex with me as soon as she moved in with me, so no risk of pregnancy there. She let me f~~~ her in the mouth and anus only. I mostly used her mouth, since I’ve never have been interested in anal sex. Pretty soon, she stopped being interested in sex at all. Eventually, I kicked her out. Then she moved in with another guy who she also didn’t want to have sex with, and eventually he kicked her out too. That was the last I had to do with women younger than me (she was 1 year younger). She told me about not wanting sex with the other guy, since we continued to be friends. After I retired at age 35, I started to have sex with older women, who were all supposedly incapable of getting pregnant (IUD or sterile due to hysterectomy, sterile from chemotherapy, post-menopause) and then I got a vasectomy myself. My last girlfriend was 23 years older than me. When I broke up with her, I gave up on sex for 10 years because it just seemed like too much work for too little payoff. Cost was no longer the issue, since I now had plenty of money to afford a girlfriend. But being retired made me value my time and freedom even more highly than before, and women seemed like a big drain on both.

Anyway, I’m not sure why I decided to break my long dry spell back in this past June, but I did, and that when I began looking around the internet and now I’ve come across this site. I’ve been traveling at least 6 months/year for the past 10 years, but I never met a women during those years of traveling. Mostly that travel was in Europe, though I also went to Mexico and Guatemala. I probably had lots of offers that I ignored, because I’d developed a habit of ignoring women’s indications of interest starting back in my teens. I think I’ll be a more receptive to offers in the future. I’m planning to visit Spain then Bulgaria my next trip to Europe (for about 5 months in SpringSummer 2015) and maybe Ukraine in 2016. I don’t want marriage, but it would be nice to have a girlfriend to have sex for several months each year. I don’t think I want a full-time companion, on the other hand. I’m probably going to look for women in around age 40, since that seems the time when they are most open to sex. I’ve never had sex with a woman under age 30. They just don’t interest me. The women over age 50 are often the most receptive to sex, but unfortunately they mostly have health problems so they can’t actually have sex. Plus they mostly look horrible (that one who was 23 years older than me was an exception, she’s still great looking at age 76). I’m in great shape myself. Easy for me to knock off 50 push-ups, weight and waist size same as in high-school.

Anyway, like I said, I’m mostly looking for advice on women age 35 to 55 (or above, if still in good shape) who have a high sex drive and are still capable of sex, and who would be interested in an average looking white man, 5’11” (180cm) who is in excellent physical condition and can spend maybe $2000/month subsidizing the woman, for relationships lasting maybe 4 months, preferably in Europe. The high sex drive is the biggest problem I find with women in the United States. I had a number of conversations with women prior to meeting that woman in June, and they all seemed low libido types, and the one I finally hooked up with was also low libido, in the sense that anything and everything was more important than sex: fixing her computer, taking her daughter roller-skating (she’s a single mother, naturally, that’s all I’m likely to find at this point, from what I can see), doing laundry, shopping, television, etc. She appeared to enjoy the sex when we finally got going (she said I’m the best lover she ever had, though that could be flattery, I know some women say that to ever man, though I do have excellent self-control due to my many years of masturbation practice), but Jeez, what a lot of hassle to get to that point, and then that’s all for now because she’s too buy to see me again until next week. All I can think is “if I’m going to be masturbating 90% of the time, why not just ditch the woman and make it 100% masturbation, so as not to have postpone masturbation in order to be ready for these scraps of sex she throws me now and then”.

For younger guys, here is my advice. I have zero regrets about never marrying, never having children and not having a lot of sex partners. I am totally and completely happy that I chose the road of early retirement instead of lots of sex partners. I don’t think early retirement will be as easy for the younger generation, but it is still possible. I recommend guys defend themselves against shaming tactics regarding masturbation. Masturbation IS sex. Yes, if you masturbate a lot, you’ll be less motivated to seek our flesh-and-blood sex partners and eventually may have erectile difficulty with real women (see yourbrainonporn). I fail to see the problem. Masturbation IS sex, except with no STDs, no child-support, no alimony, no false rape charges, no expenses, no bulls~~~ from someone whose company you are enduring solely for sake of sex. You don’t need to be childish about it: “I’m giving up on sex and that’ll teach these women a lesson”. Instead, take the attitude: “If a woman wants me, here I am. Though I might not be able to get erect with a woman for a few months while transitioning from masturbation back to real sex. If she doesn’t want to wait until my transition is over, too bad.”

The PUA-shaming about being afraid of rejection makes me laugh. If I’m such a sensitive type, why was I approaching like a madman, being rejected 99% of the time and never letting it get me down, while selling for my business? Only time I’m reluctant to approach is with women, everywhere else, I can be plenty aggressive. Maybe because in business I really believed in my product, whereas I don’t really believe that strongly in sex. If women want sex, they should make it easy for me. If they don’t want sex, then it’s a waste of my time to try to convince them to have sex. I think women do want sex, but they are too screwed up to realize it. Well, that’s not my problem to fix, is it?

The man does 90% of the work in sex, the woman gets 90% of the pleasure, same as with partner dancing (I was excellent at salsa back in my 30’s and also do tango okay). Therefore the women should be expected to at least meet the men halfway. They don’t have to ask the men to dance, they don’t have to say yes to every man who invites them dance. But they do have to act polite when they refuse (assuming the man was polite) and they can’t give the man a lot of crap if they accept his invitation. Otherwise, I’m out of there. I don’t mind investing time and effort with no return, but I’m not going around with a sign on my ass saying “kick here” either. And that’s exactly what I did with both dancing and sex eventually. And that’s what every man should do, IMO. If 99% of the men do this, then the remaining 1% get all the sex. I really don’t care. I’d rather masturbate than have sex with women with such low standards that they’ll have sex with the sort of men who’ll put up with crap to get sex (read that sentence carefully).

I think most men my age are just as big screw-ups as the women. Just look at those pot-bellies. Women at least have the excuse that the female body does naturally pile on fat on the hips in mid-life. But men have no excuse for not having the same physique at age 55 as at age 25. Women are no more obligated to be interested in sex than you are obligated to be interested in makeup. If there is surplus of males versus females so that you’ll never have a real life sex partner, so what? You can have all the orgasms you want via masturbation. I don’t have tons of notches (maybe 20) but that’s enough to say masturbation is at least 90% of the pleasure of real sex and that last 10% is just not that big a deal. Like a fancy restaurant versus a simple restaurant.

You might also want to read up on John B. Calhoun’s rat crowding experiments. This is probably the biological reason for the MGTOW phenomenon. Men like me are sensitive to the feeling that the world is overpopulated and so we react same as the male rats in those experiements. We spend our time taking care of ourselves, rather than breeding. We become the “beautiful ones”, because we have no scars from fighting the other males for mates, and live long happy lives. Eventually the whole rat colony goes extinct. There is a lot in common between these experiments and the phenomena in Japan with the “grass eaters”. I say embrace this future. I couldn’t care less about humanity going extinct. Planet Earth is doomed eventually, if nothing else then the Sun will eventually burn out. So what if humans go extinct in a hundred years and then have to be re-evolved from apes? All I care about is the next 50 years, which is likely all I have left to live.

Of course, if you’re like me and retired and with excess time and money, then no reason not to spend some of that time and money looking for a woman if I have nothing better to do with it. But given that this quest is mainly a way to kill time, no reason to get bitter about the quest never succeeding. And no reason to miss out on pleasure by not masturbating during this quest.

I can see I’ve rambled on quite a bit. But hey, disk space is cheap nowadays, right?

I think this is going to be a long post, there’s a lot of s~~~ happened to me in the last 2  years (and beyond)  and the question “Why?” still keeps going round and round in my head. So I’d love some advice from you guys.

I still can’t believe how gullible  I’ve been for the last 30 years (yes 30 years!), 23 of them married. The thing is even before I took the plunge, I knew how stressful and tough things were going to be, but hey, we was in love, we had each other, we would get through it and come out the other side with a house, kids and all the trimmings! You know what, even though I knew instinctively how much hard work I would have to put in, the reality of it and length of time (all my married life) took me completely by surprise. But to me it would be worth it in the end, I love my family and we’d finally made it through to the other side……bring on the good times……..WRONG!

Just a couple of months after my youngest child had finished her schooling (coincidence ?)  the s~~~ started happening. It started at a party with me catching her facebooking some guy, when I asked “Who the f~~~ he was” she simply finished typing and without a word, walked away. Boom, total mind f~~~! At the end of the night after avoiding her, she comes up to me and asked “What’s wrong with you?” Can you believe the front of this woman, I was speechless. Anyway I played it cool, this wasn’t the first time I’d caught her cheating, but it was the first time a would be able to prove it and I’d vowed she would not do that to me again. For the next 3 days I didn’t say a word, thinking she would have to explain her actions, god was I naïve. Not one word came out of that bitches mouth until I exploded and I got the guilt card treatment. ” He’s just a friend from school, he doesn’t even live here anymore, you’re just paranoid ” etc, etc, etc. Two months down the road and thing are getting worse. Although I’m trying to talk about her actions, she is saying nothing and just looks at me with complete contempt on her face. I’m totally at my wits end, where has my wife gone? What have I done ? I can see she’s unhappy, but why? What have I done????  It’s funny how we blame ourselves, but I’ve come to understand from places like this that it’s what men are programmed to do, take on all the responsibility.

I’d like to take a break from my story a minute and hope I’m not boring you, but I think it’s important I  give you a little back ground and  info on just what this bitch got from me over the years. Within a 2-3 year span I: Got married, Started a business, Got a mortgage and had our first kid. Talk about stress! and this stress just became the norm until I finally came to my senses and chucked her out. I did all the cooking, shopping and generally took care of the pool/garden. But here’s the big one, I paid for everything, she paid a couple of token insurance policies and some stuff for the kids, but on the whole her money was hers, I even paid her tax! What did I get for this huge investment into my family? Sex, yes, but for the most part it was pretty basic. House cleaning? very minimal (unless we were having someone coming round). Washing? yes put please, who can’t load a washer and push some buttons. She couldn’t even cook and lived a stress free easy life, all I basically wanted was for her to take charge of the child rearing. To be fair she did an ok job with the kids, they’ve grown into well rounded adults, but they were easy children to manage overall and lets face it women love the job, it’s what they’re on this planet for after all. But once again guys, I loved the woman, she had my kids. What am I going to do but put my head down keep taking the blue and occasional purple pill and “be a man” I’m a f~~~in’ idiot! What was I thinking?

Anyway back to the story. As I say 2 months go by and I finally get her to talk a little, but all I get is the finger pointing, “we don’t do anything together any more” “You’re not making me happy” ” I don’t think you love me anymore” Me, Me, Me,Me! Now don’t get me wrong, there was  some truth in there in places, but reassuring her I loved her to bits and going straight back to the Doctors to get back on the pills for the stress just wasn’t enough. At this time my business is failing and I’m spending thousands trying to start another business up and poor little wifies biggest concern is I’m not making her happy! The red pill is starting to kick in my friends, I can see what’s coming a mile off. So off I go to the main land to do yet another course for the new business and BINGO ! she does it. She gets facebook “friend” over and rides his c~~~ off !

Anyway I find out and of course it’s utterly devastating and this is where I just can’t understand the woman brain. Don’t forget here guys we’ve been together for 30 years and we’ve both said that we love each other, but  she was totally incapable of saying sorry or even explaining her actions. It was more than 6 months before I finally got her out the house( of course she thought I should leave, yer right!) and in that time there was not one show of remorse or accountability. In fact quite the opposite, just the constant finger pointing and all the blame on yours truly. Comments like ” You have got to take some responsibility for MY actions” I kid you not “for my actions” you couldn’t make it up! I’ve now had 2 years of this character assassination, of her damage limitation exercise and demands. We’re not divorced yet, but she’s already engaged to her next meal ticket. Get this, within 6 month of moving out she’d latched on to the first white knight that showed an interest (of course he has his own business), Moved in together 4 months later and were engaged 5 months after that.

Now I’ve got 2 kids to protect. My son looks close to getting married, but how do I reach him without p~~~ing him off?  Then there is my daughter who I’m so scared may learn the wrong lessons from that bitch of a mother of hers. How do I approach her? How do I explain to them that love is blind and can cloud your judgement and for women at least it seems love is not enough.

Well thanks for sticking with me and soon I hope to tell you of my first night out last week on the red pills. What an eye opener!!!