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[GnosticParticipant]

Chaff/Flare wrote:

Beer wrote:

I’d downgrade and attack debt first. Just remember…cutting your monthly expenses 500 dollars is every bit as good for your bottom line as earning 500 dollars a month in passive income. If y

It’s a mindset thing Beer. We are all trained to do without…concentrate on expense side of the balance sheet. Kiosaki says , ” he, you want a Porsche, finder an asset that covers your liability” chicks are experts at this, we are their assets. Perfect one at that: what pays to be born, pays you its whole life, and pays to bury itself? A man

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How Women Invest

Investors can “long” (bet on) and “short” (bet against) a stock. Women “long” and “short” men. Women are currency, men are stocks, babies are bonds, divorce is selling a stock, marriage is buying a stock and dividends refer to money spent on the woman.

They “short” men by having sex quickly, partying with them, bleeding them for money early in the relationship and showing their terrible attitude. Great fun for them in the short term.

The guys that are “shorted” are the type that don’t appreciate with time. They lower their value with a criminal record, drinking, drug abuse, gambling, violence, abuse and cheating. Emotionally dysfunctional women “long” these men and end up in a terrible relationship. Why do they stay? Because they bought a stock at 50 and it dropped to 40. They are hoping the stock will go back up. Irrational women are just like irrational investors, they throw good money after bad.

Smart women realize that “nice guys” (as in investment) are like a profitable company. At 30, their value is low, while the man’s value is high and rising. What does an investor do? They go long on the investment. They demand chivalry, act like a “good girl”, act perfect to bait the man and then get the payoff (expensive ring, wedding, house, retirement plan, baby…).

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[Anonymous]

Even if marriage comes back, the age range for females getting married wound be about 14-18. That’s your historical average for a reason. The top end of that average is around 20-22. Women over that age simply are not going to get married, absent significant wealth which they’d have to turn over to a man.

These women think they can just leech off of men and erase everything that happened, because they truly do not respect men one bit. They think men are desperate and will accept anything a woman wants.

And when society isn’t busy pandering to women, because men are busy trying to survive themselves, most men have zero interest in “chivalry” and taking care of other women, no matter how nice those women may act. That may be because that phase of society always comes after feminism exposes female nature, so men’s sympathy runs out, or it just might be a reality of hardened men in masculine environments.

[BrainPilotParticipant]

I grew up with older sisters who brought feminist theory home, and my mother bought it. I knew it was bulls~~~, but had to listen to it. I was educated in schools with mostly women teachers, who neither earned, deserved or got my respect for their intellect (or lack thereof). I had to listen to them as well, though I didn’t trust that they got their positions on merit. So I didn’t trust much of what they had to say. But I had to pretend that I did. I work in an industry they have targeted as an indicator of their equality, so standards have been lowered for their inclusion, and raised for men in order to achieve our exclusion. They do not bring to the industry the necessary attributes and abilities to qualify as an actual peer, but expect to be treated as such. They neither earn, get or deserve my respect as a peer. But since they will most definitely make themselves a giant problem if presented with this reality, there is an unspoken rule that I must listen to them present themselves as my peer, and then pretend as though I believe it. I know it’s bulls~~~, but behave as though I don’t in order that their self delusion isn’t shaken. I pretend.

The best part about mgtow: I don’t have to pretend that someone is my equal while simultaneously pretending to ignore all the artificial constructs put in place to allow them to continue to tell themselves that they are. I don’t have to pretend to believe that someone is qualified for something who isn’t. I don’t have to pretend to believe that someone deserves some special consideration who doesn’t. I don’t have to pretend to agree with something just to avoid a hysterical reaction of someone who lacks the evidence to persuade me to agree with something that isn’t rationally defensible. I don’t have to pretend to agree that I owe anyone a relationship, or equality, or chivalry, or assets, or time, or attention, or inclusion…

Of all the things I like about this place, it’s that absence of forced pretending part that’s the best for me.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[anonymousyamParticipant]

Simple mgtow is the reaction of men against women and society brought on by the lies we were fed for decades by our parents, our peers, the TV and the lying ass priest/preacher. Because ever since birth those people have brainwashed us into accepting a false reality in which we are not told the truth about female nature and we are kept in the dark about the true nature of reality

Whether it be teaching us about true love/being a nice guy, chivalry and happily forever after. All of these lies only hurt us in our past and continue to hurt the blue pilled men and boys who get taught them from an earlier age. Since over time the ones who become red pill will discover that its all bulls~~~. So i got 5 beginner mgtow points each mgtow should know

1 Marriage is not worth it. For a man there is no benefit to getting married these days since she is not legally obligated to do anything in the marriage. We can’t call the cops on her and have her thrown in prison for refusing to put out, She can’t be locked away for refusing to cook dinner nor can we force her to do the dishes however she can get the police to arrest you for not paying her alimony, or she could cry rape and domestic violence and have you spend the night in your luxury jail cell. Because if you defend yourself against the bitch then the police will take your guns away. If you defend yourself against the police then its a capital crime so its a no win scenario unless you like the jail cell or the morgue.

2 Being a nice guy is not gonna get you laid instead women flock toward the asshole males whom they say they hate but in reality they are not suckups like you therefore they are more attracted to them (this is how i got to mgtow so young). Also this is part of the reason great men get f~~~ing divorced by their bitch wives while they stay with the abusive asshole men. Your mother lied to you about being nice to girls and respecting girls and buying them stuff because she is putting her fantasy of a man onto you even thou she was the one who had your drunken assholes father kids. So its simple if you date then be an asshole if you don’t date then still be an asshole.

3 A woman’s goal is to get married but its not to work hard in the marriage but rather she now legally has your b~~~~ unless you speak Spanish and you can flee to south america. A woman will try anything to get married because the marriage ceremony is about her and not the man, She gets legal rights to your stuff and money, and she gets respect from her family and friends for being married.

And if the marriage does not pan out then she could simply say you were beating her, cheating on her or raping her to protect her reputation as the angel. Because if she does not show you enough glimpses of her true nature before then to scare you if she will reveal the whole thing after she already got you trapped. As a side note she will pork up after the marriage and get ugly stretch marks from pushing her boyfriends kids out.

4 Nothing lasts forever neither does love which i explained is our brains getting us to reproduce. Love is a chemical high that motivates both men and women to go and reproduce and that is it. While relationships might last till death and the nostalgia will be with you for the rest of your life you have to realize that its not happily forever after in the end. Since all relationships with dissolve with time whether it be getting boring after marriage, fighting in the relationship and our eventually death it will break up one day. But its better to have a breakup before the legal documents of marriage are signed and the bitch takes you to court rather then face alimony and the splitting of your assets.

Finally 5 the court system is rigged against men and that is the reason for mgtow even commonlaw marriage exists in states so even having a kid out of wedlock is now a dangerous task that is why we don’t support cohabitation however if you do it then proceed with caution and know the law.

So these are the 5 things id tell any beginner mgtow.

Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.

I found a very good piece on how women invest that I would like to share.

How women invest in men – an analogy

Here’s a new bit of terminology that I thought up. Investors can “long” (bet on) and “short” (bet against) a stock. Women “long” and “short” men. Women are currency, men are stocks, babies are bonds, divorce is selling a stock, marriage is buying a stock and dividends refer to money spent on the woman.

They “short” men by having sex quickly, partying with them, bleeding them for money early in the relationship and showing their terrible attitude. Great fun for them in the short term.

The guys that are “shorted” are the type that don’t appreciate with time. They lower their value with a criminal record, drinking, drug abuse, gambling, violence, abuse and cheating. Emotionally dysfunctional women “long” these men and end up in a terrible relationship. Why do they stay? Because they bought a stock at 50 and it dropped to 40. They are hoping the stock will go back up. Irrational women are just like irrational investors, they throw good money after bad.

Smart women realize that “nice guys” (as in investment) are like a profitable company. At 30, their value is low, while the man’s value is high and rising. What does an investor do? They go long on the investment. They demand chivalry, act like a “good girl”, act perfect to bait the man and then get the payoff (expensive ring, wedding, house, retirement plan, baby…).

Of course when a stock has stagnant earnings and doesn’t appreciate in value (probably because of the insanely high dividend payments the investor requires such as a woman’s request to shop, not work and live above her means) a smart investor dumps that stock and cashes out (divorce). It doesn’t matter that the high dividend payments kept the company from re-investing the money to earn more. Plus the investor still gets dividends even though they aren’t even invested in the company anymore (alimony). Imagine if a stockholder demanded more than they invested when selling the stock and then demanded dividends after selling?

It also explains single moms. A child is like a convertible bond (a bond that can become stock). The set payments are just like owning a bond. If she can use the child to guilt the man into marriage, she just converted her investment to a stock due to the fact that she is now a 50% equity holder in the man’s wealth. Also, just like a bond, when (child support) payments are not made (probably because it was an unreliable man/company that she should have “shorted”), as a creditor the woman looks to recover. Just like a distressed company, the creditor takes value (wage garnishment). The company is also forced to sell assets at a lower price due to distress, thus reducing the company’s value. This happens when the child support systems brands people as “deadbeat dads”, revokes professional licenses, suspends driver licenses, destroys credit ratings and throws the man in jail. Still, when a company goes under, the bond holders may not receive full payment (some guys just don’t have the money for these outrageous child support payments). The company is weighed by the debt just like the man’s ability to earn is hurt if he gets behind on child support payments. Unlike regular bonds, if the guy finds out that the wrong company name is on the bond (paternity fraud), it doesn’t matter.

So dating is an investment game to women. If she spends too much time “shorting” men, then she won’t have the funds (looks & youth) at 35 to purchase a good long term stock. Their chance to go “long” on a man has passed. If they go “long” early with a man, they have to wait for the young man to earn and produce dividends. Unlike with stocks, patience and waiting for an investment to grow is not advisable. Buying into an established man/company is the way to go.

So their ideal strategy is to “short” men until they find the best possible one to go “long” on. Luckily, they can borrow against that stock and “short” other men (by cheating). If they lose money by “shorting” men (getting caught), then a sale (divorce) will follow and the woman still gets her dividends.

Once the investor has gone “long” and then sold, their options open up. They can “short” different men, live off the proceeds from the sale and the dividends. They can also “long” another man by getting married again.

Since going “long” is the smart long-term strategy (just like with stocks), women press for marriage. Their “long” investment is likely to appreciate and pay dividends. Women are like paper currency, they have a steady depreciation due to inflation. So over time, as the price to “long” the stock goes up, her currency depreciates. Thus, each time she “shorts” a man, she is spending some currency (wear & tear, number of men who have scored) and her currency is always depreciating, even if she does nothing.

Like most investors, women understand the nuisances about how the market works. The are like the investors looking for the next Southwest or Starbucks. They try to time the market and when they do it wrong, they end up as spinsters. Also, like a smart investor, they fear foreign capital. If foreign woman are allowed on the market, demand for stock will rise sharply. Foreign currency (just like in real life), has higher value and the American currency will have little purchasing power. So the AW is left with “penny stocks” (undesirable guys), “junk bonds” (a thug’s bastard children) and men that should be “shorted” because that is all she can afford. She will demonize foreign investors and companies who accept foreign currency in an attempt to monopolize the market.

For men, the advice is simple. Don’t seek outside sources of funding/validation. Build equity, “short” all the women around you (short the US currency) and don’t issue any bonds.
I hope this analogy wasn’t too complicated. I like thinking of marriage as a woman “going long” on a man. I’d like to see what everyone else thinks.

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[HermitParticipant]

Giving women the pussy pass is just a f~~~ing stupid idea all around.

I treat women the same as I’d treat other men. If women are so “strong and independent” they can take care of themselves.

F~~~ chivalry.

[Anonymous]

They have no idea the monsters they’ve created to destroy chivalry and preferential treatment.

Time to put on the combat boots sugar plum, you called the shots, time to come outside and play, the machine you created is getting hungry.

[Anonymous]

A little feminism is all it takes to erase eons of female preferential treatment.

Chivalry; R.I.P. 1973.

[Dashing Young DissidentSpectator]

ExpendableYouth wrote:

tic douloureux wrote:

social media is a problem and it’s not going away. Sorry to break this to you. Women s~~~ty attitudes today is a direct result of this. Too much attention whoring. Every bitch I know is constantly on facebook or some f~~~ing dating site getting validation by these f~~~ing dickheads that want to get laid. there are still plenty of guys out there going for these bitches. So, there’s no tide turning. That’s wishful thinking, actually delusional. I don’t even know what you guys are talking about? Sex dead? WTF.

What’s going to change things will be a sentinel event…like another world war or some serious act of terrorism. Otherwise, status quo for a long time.

You are absolutely right, UNFORTUNATELY.

I am 30, every chick I see is buried in her phone. Everybody is on Facebook and instagram (getting followers, i mean stalkers…i wait, no, I mean followers). I gave up on online dating, too many single moms. I gave up fakebook, I couldnt stand people on there any longer. This is all I have left, this forum really lol

THey should shove it up their c~~~s while they are at it, and put them on vibrate. F~~~ing hate people today.

[Dashing Young DissidentSpectator]

I think women hate public displays of chivalry because it dis-empowers them and makes them feel like the loser pieces of s~~~ they really are, but they are quite happy to go behind a mans back and use him and f~~~ him in court and take advantage when and where it suits them.

The economics of sex is beginning to turn in recession. Men no longer want to jump through hoola hoops, for sex. A recent study states, that sex doesn’t sell after all. Strip Clubs, are starting to close there doors, the porn industry is bankrupt, playboy magazine just started to lay off employees, because of slumping sales.
A STDS epidemic in which there is a shortage of drugs, and evil women willing to trap a man through pregnancy.

You can’t forget about there stupid sex fantasies either.

With there high standards, women are creating a bubble which is beginning to pop, and when it does, the female sexual industrial complex with go into Deflationary Depression (sex will be devalued, pointless, and men won’t care about it anymore.)

One of the main fundamentals of human beings is sex and with the strong sexual urges of men, their arrogance, incompetence and stupidity f~~~ed it up, and the aftermath is coming.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[bigboy83Participant]

Just like chivalry, the c~~~s killed sex

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[Anonymous]

Another woman with a victim complex spewing her “poor me” narrative on the internet in order to score sympathy points. These things are becoming like a disease. Granted, there are some men that do this s~~~ too, but 90% of these articles are written by women, mostly because people have far more sympathy for women. Seems like everywhere you look there’s some bitch writing about how horrible her western female life is because men have thrown chivalry out the window and now she doesn’t have men giving up their seats for her on the bus, or how the odds are so unfairly stacked against her, when in reality she has a million safety nets just for having a vagina.

The comments were definitely gold, though. Pretty much the only good thing that can come out of these pity party articles.

[Anonymous]

chir wrote:

Take your 200 million in golden parachute and f~~~ off.

Only in feminazi empire is that even possible, no wonder I’m starting to look at money like toilet paper.

In MG-Tower world she would be FIRED and stripped of her pension, held accountable and treated the same way as the corporation, C~~~ain should go down with her ship s~~~.

And they wonder why men now step over women to get off a sinking ship? Chivalry is dead and they’re holding the smoking gun!

Ahhhh, the rewards of feminism, walking away from society and women to breath free and enjoy life itself.

No longer under any obligation whatsoever to society and women, the contract is NULL & VOID by the BINDING and TORTUROUS agreements contained within.

I’m not yoked to the gynocentric waterwheel in the hot sun to keep princesses swimming pool full of fresh cool water.

Thanks feminism! I now found a reason to love you! The indifference is more than liberating!

[Anonymous]

Didn’t press charges cause…well on my side of the Trax you just don’t call the cops. Perverted chivalry mabey,didn’t think I’d be believed,just wanted to move on with my life,I hate going to court. Its so very long ago it’s hard to remember what my mind set was.Ive been thru so much since then.

[AnthonyParticipant]

As a society we think men are superior…no way…

This is the dumbest quotes I’ve ever heard. This guy is a big time mangina. I don’t see you being a dick at all.

Men are always seen as disposable while women are always to be protected. Well, I say, f~~~ that. If women are so strong and independent, then they can take care of themselves! If they end up getting into some violent s~~~, I’m not going to risk my life to protect theirs. F~~~ chivalry, f~~~ ladies first, f~~~ treating women like princesses, and f~~~ the saying, “happy life, happy wife!”

Women wanted to be strong and independent, and with that comes responsibilities such as protecting yourself, your assets, and anything else of value to you. Men have to do it all the time by themselves and if women want to act like men, then they have to learn to take responsibilities like a man as well!

Women should learn to woman up!

Once you have a Fleshlight real vaginas become worthless.

[Dashing Young DissidentSpectator]

Cap285 wrote:

Posted this last fall:

I usually troll POF about once a year to keep abreast (ha ha) of the online dating situation as it relates to the influx of “I can’t get married/find an LTR/where are all the good men” articles on the Interwebz, as well as for data to store in the MGTOW archives for reference. Once again it correlates with the collective experience of men and many of Popp’s videos. However, despite the constant whining of “I can’t find anyone”, entitlement, attitude and inflation of their looks has become worse. Mind you, I’m going to use MGTOW knowledge/techniques to expose the hypocrites for what they are. I used my age, 43, up to 49.

Contact on the site:

1. T~~~ (4/10): It’s nice to see a picture of just a man and not his motorcycle or house.
2. CAP: That’s refreshing; you don’t care about material things.
Never heard from her again.

1. CAP: (Sees picture of T~~~ (7/10) in Hawks gear with mock Stanley Cup over her head at her office). So, you a real fan or been on the bandwagon since 2010?
No response.

1. T~~~ (3/10): (overweight mother of 2) *trying her hardest to get me to respond*
2. CAP: *one word responses*
3. T~~~: See 1.
4: CAP: See 2
5: T~~~: You’re a man of few words; I’ll stop bothering you now.

1. CAP: (Sees T~~~ (7/10) 45 years old acting like she’s 25 in her pictures with aviator sunglasses selfie.) You fly F-18’s?
2. T~~~: No, lol! But I can still rock a pair of aviators!
3. CAP: Your opinion of how cool you are is quite over inflated.
4. T~~~: *paragraph long cliché shaming/insults.*

1. T~~~: (2/10, grandma haircut, frumpy clothes) Help me get off this site lol!
2. CAP: Not interested.
3. T~~~: Why! What’s wrong with me?
4. CAP: Not physically attracted.
5: T~~~: Take a good look at your pictures! You’re not as hot as you think you are!
Blocked so I can’t reply. As we all know, not being attracted to a certain person means you have an inflated sense of your looks.

1. CAP: (Sees T~~~ 6/10. Slender, tan but Mr. Eds Face. With opening “Want’s a man who respects women”.) Respect has to be earned.
2. T~~~: I meant respectful, as in manners. Thank you for your military service.
3. CAP: There is a difference between respect and manners. Open a dictionary.

This led to multiple exchanges of her bragging about her Literature degree despite her obvious lack of vocabulary skills. I wasn’t raised to right, you get the idea.

4: T~~~: You weren’t raised to respect women.
5. CAP: I see you’re entitled as well.
6. T~~~: Entitled?
7. CAP: Yes, you think you’re entitled to respect immediately because you were born with t~~~. (Seems she forgot what she wrote in her own profile.) I have more respect for the dogs I served with in Iraq than I do you.
8. T~~~: *Paragraph long cliché shaming/insults*
9. T~~~: No wonder you’re single!
10. CAP: You’re single. #double standard

1. CAP: (Sees T~~~ 8/10, 44 years old) You’re cute, but you couldn’t crop your ex out of the picture entirely?
No response. However, the next time her profile showed up, the main picture was empty.

Some of you might remember public restroom selfie/picnic girl from another thread. Miss, a first date should be a man dressed in khakis and a nice shirt taking me on a picnic to the beach with nice music (whatever the f~~~ that is) playing while we watch the sunset. She talked about how classy she was and Keymaster caught that she had taken a selfie in a public bathroom. Doesn’t get much classier than that.
1.CAP: Isn’t that a bit much for a first date?
2.T~~~: I’m from near the gulf of Mexico and this is nice.
I don’t actually remember the rest of the exchange. I do remember her paragraph long cliché shaming/insults. She was completely oblivious that a selfie taken in a public restroom was the complete opposite of class.

Also, still many of the same girls that have been on there since 2009. Only their requirements have dropped….some, and their weight has increased.

Text conversations:

Remember, I keep feeding rope until they eventually hang themselves.

T~~~ (7/10): Decent exchange going. Get her to tout the “I don’t need a man for his money” yet shortly later I get the “I need a man who is financially stable’. Informed T~~~ she was no different than the rest and looking for a wallet. She still wanted to talk and something came up about her friends. To which I replied “If you were happy with me, I’m sure your harpy friends would find some reason for you not to be”. Herd mentality kicked in and she broke contact.

T~~~ (3/10 I was totally playing this fish (pun intended) overweight mother of 2 with meme about “once you have thick, you’ll never go back” or something like that. Same as above, touts strong and independent but needs a man who is ‘financially stable’. Only she didn’t have the looks to demand anything. Says my hair is too long as she likes the bald look on men and how she’s dated bikers that look like ZZ Top. Funny how those guys like fat hogs on their hogs. This degraded into me dropping MGTOW nukes and her hamstering (cliche insults/shaming) to the point of blocking so she got the last word. Remember, this is a single, overweight mom with mostly high angle cleavage shots.

T~~~ (7/10) apparently owned her own cleaning business. I mentioned the hours that I worked. She makes a comment about how I need to be the boss like her. I replied that she seems to be looking for someone who is ‘financially stable’ and told her no thanks. She left a bewildered goodbye.

T~~~ (7/10) kind of hit or miss. One picture looked meh, but one would look stunning. All face shots mind you. We texted a good long while, at least a couple hours. I was actually wondering if this would pan out. How can woman go that long without putting her foot in her mouth? I didn’t have to wait much longer. Eventually, the talk turned to things of a sexual nature. So of course, she’s bragging about how great she is and that she has fairy dust coming out of her pussy (yes, she actually said that) and that her friends say it must be true because of all the men hanging around.
CAP: Pretty strong words.
T~~~: I know you would be happy.
CAP: So would you.
T~~~: Pfffffft
CAP: My ex-girlfriends nickname for me was cunnalingus.
T~~~: I’ll believe it when it happens.

I should take her word but she won’t take mine? Hello double standard. Still, the conversation continued about sex and what have you for a good, long while. She’s saying what a great time she’s having, she’s sexually excited and how she can’t wait to meet me. Her shields are probably at 50% so it’s almost time to fire the photon torpedo. We got on the subject of kissing and it followed exactly as above exchange. It led to this:

T~~~: We should just do a walk-by, text yes or no and just make out if it’s both ‘yes’. (More on this later.) You wear yummy cologne?
CAP: No
T~~~: Moment ruined.
CAP: Cologne is a deal breaker? What’s next, my shoes?
T~~~: Maybe lol! Those are easy fixes.
CAP: This was a colossal waste of time. Go ‘fix’ someone else. I’m out.
T~~~: What?! Are you really out? (Sad emoticon)
T~~~: You’re killing me Smalls.

I explained how this was doomed as she would hate my lack of cologne, hi-tops and Batman shirt. I also explained how this is what dating male/female relations has come to (remember what I said earlier about the walk-by?) and that it’s not of my making. As I go on, I’m getting belligerent and mean. She’s actually hanging on and still wants to meet. I’m guessing she’s knows she’s being rejected, is confused and doesn’t know what to do.

T~~~: We can still meet.
CAP: Why the hell would you still want to that after what I’ve said? Sick curiosity?

The only reason I can think is for a free meal and drinks and to publicly reject me.

T~~~: Wow. Ok. So I’ll leave it at this. If you don’t text back I’ll guess the answer is NO.
CAP: It is no. Have a pleasant evening.
T~~~: Wow. Ok.
Some time goes by.
T~~~: No response?
Some more time goes by.
T~~~: No response?
Yet more time goes by.
T~~~: You sound like a bitter woman.

Dates:

T~~~: 50 years old 6/10 (in her pictures), but we all know how that turns out in person, don’t we? We meet for coffee….and has anyone ever heard the term ‘rode hard and put away wet’? Well, Cap was looking at it. In person she immediately became a 3/10 and this is done up to meet a guy. The makeup was caked on. Caked. I could see how haggard she was through it, it was f~~~ing astounding. Decent rack but no ass. She’s sitting there going “I don’t look 50.” I sat there dumbfounded with no response. In my head I’m going: “Yeah, you look 63.” I don’t know what happened. I couldn’t speak or move. Mild shock or something. Imagine her when she gets complacent and waking up to that on a lazy Sunday with no makeup and a frumpy night gown. Yecchh.

T~~~: 48 6/10 according to pictures. Name is zumbagirlsometingorother. Mostly face shots and one in yoga pants. During the course of texting, she sent me two pictures in her underwear. I think she has a funhouse mirror in her room. Even in the low light and poor resolution of the picture I could see the lower half of her body was a f~~~ing train wreck, her thighs in particular were foul. All the Zumba, spin classes and tanning wasn’t going to hide this. Rack looked ok in the bra but Crom knows what would happen once it came off. Time to take one for the team. She wanted to meet as soon as possible for some reason. She mentioned I should drive the 20 minutes to her work and meet her on her lunch break. Uh. No. She wound up driving out to a bar by me. She didn’t look bad (done up for a date) and had on those mom jeans. The wide bottom, cuff at the mid-calf and slightly snug as tight would give the mess away. I could tell right away that she wasn’t interested. She had stated when we first started she was very attracted physically. However, I’m assuming my Batman shirt and hi-tops turned her off right away. The rate I was consuming Guinness might have factored in as she asked how many I had. Star Wars came up as an interest and I don’t think she was impressed. She mentioned a friend who was on the site for years and I said she’s looking for a unicorn and will never find it. When I came back from the bathroom I did a stealth approach and noticed she was texting somebody “what are u doing tonite?” Wonder who that was?…..That’s when it was time to go. Cost for date? Her $3 beer.

I get the text the next day “Thank you but there was no connection. I don’t want to waste your time.” That was totally cool, honest and polite. However, in my experience they use that because if they use specific reasons, they’ll get it right back and they don’t like that. I was 5 years younger than she was. She complained the entire date that men her age were out of shape, had pictures with their grandchildren, etc. Who the Hell does she think she’s actually capable of getting with a train wreck of a body and two kids?

Make no mistake, for as much as they crow about how they can’t find a man, their entitlements are still off the chart and their attitudes are still terrible. I bolded the paragraph long responses because they only respond at length if you call them on their s~~~. Otherwise it’s short phrases and text-talk. I don’t think things are changing anytime soon. Just more of their empty rhetoric.

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Change the applicable things and post this for s~~~s and giggles.

Let’s play a game I call ‘Reverse the Genders’. I’m going to write a profile similar to those of women in my dating range (late 30’s to late 40’s). Since you all have this Santa Clause long checklist where every box needs to get ticked, let me treat you in a similar fashion. I can’t speak for all men, but many, more than you know, agree with me. Don’t worry, plenty of thirsty of simps out there. Wondering what you’re doing wrong? Wondering why you can’t find the ‘perfect’ guy after being on multiple dating sites for 5 stinking years? Don’t act like you haven’t been. Imagine if every male profile you read was like this:

Hello. My money is my own and you will get none of it. Not for some time at least as trust and respect have to be earned. I have a kid and you will never be more important than her. Not. Ever. I prefer petite, women who aren’t land whales with at least shoulder length hair, and so if you’re amazon like tall, have a short ditzy-bob haircut or can’t control your eating, you need not apply. My exercise and hockey league take up much of my time but I’ll squeeze you in if I can. They also take up money…and that’s not going to stop even if we dated on a regular basis. You need to have job. You’re all equal now. If you’re not liar and are truly interested in real companionship, why does what I do for living, what car I drive or where I live matter? Pick equality or chivalry, you can’t have both. At our age, let’s face it; marriage is out of the question as most of us have been dragged through the divorce ringer. Why is just having a long term relationship a problem? Marriage is bulls~~~. Disagree? Probably means you’d like the law involved to get your hands on my cash. Move on.

You will never be my best friend as those are the guys I’ve known since the age of 17, military buddies I’ve bled with, kindergarten and birth. They like me for who I am. You never will. Sex is a very important part of a relationship. Yes, it takes more than sexual attraction and looks but let’s not kid ourselves. You know within the first 45-60 seconds of meeting us if you want to get horizontal (more on this in the date section). So none of this ‘friends first’ bulls~~~ as that means I’ll be shelling out lots of cash for God knows how long. We’re all adults here. No sex by the third date? Move on. Nor did I just fall off the turnip truck. You think I don’t you’re texting the guy you’re probably going to f~~~ later while we’re sitting at dinner? I’m on to you and tired of competing with your 24/7/365 connection to the hive mind. For the love of God, stay of your phone for 10 minutes, it that’s even possible.

You like to talk about how relationships take work while you won’t do it yourselves. I know your inboxes are over flowing so why work you can sit back and get your ego stroked? Same goes for first dates and as the relationship goes on. I work for the ‘pleasure’ of your company while you do nothing. I won’t put on a clown suit? The next sucker will, on to him. You want to work for a relationship about as much I like the Lifetime channel. It’s all empty rhetoric.

In no particular order, don’t message me if:
1.You have high angle pictures or other deceptive ways of hiding your body. We’ll have to meet in real life eventually so why lie? You want an honest man? Be honest yourself.
2.You think overweight means ‘average’ body type.
3.Have pictures of you with men in them. Who are they? Old boyfriends? FWB’s?
4.Pictures of you with your girlfriends. Which one are you? I’ll wager not the attractive one.
5.Pictures of you with duck lips. Are you 15?
6.Text talk. See 5.
7.Pictures of pets, flowers, motivational quotes, etc. Who the f~~~ cares?
8.Talk exercise and your body doesn’t reflect it. See 1.
9.Pictures of you in Chicago. I’ll just assume you’re pretentious.
10.Pictures of you with wine, going on about wine, good wine, etc. Giant red flag of pretentiousness.
11.What I should be doing or how much I should be drinking on the first date. Anything else mom?
12.You plan on giving me a job interview on the first date. Instant walk out.
13.On your phone? Instant walk out.
14.You have a motorcycle. Cool, but no thank you.
15.You have stupid statements in your profile. “I like to have fun!” No s~~~?
16.You are a ‘career’ woman. Pass.
17.You can’t cook.
18.We live in the same town and you want to drive all the way to the city to go to bars. F~~~ing really?
19.You get your life lessons/ideas from Sex in the City.
20.I like super heroes and science fiction. Deal with it.
21.Hockey season is coming. Hope you like watching the Blackhawks.
22.If you started liking the Hawks in 2010, Do. Not. Contact. Me.
23.If you can’t explain icing or off sides don’t even talk to me about hockey.
24.I’m a straight male. I don’t dance.
25.I own guns. I carry one. Get used to it.
26.If you’re “Waiting for Superman, Mr. Right, Prince Charming or the Perfect Guy”. Don’t hold your breath. Remember what I said about being on here for 5 years?
27.“If you can’t handle me at my worst, you don’t deserve me at my best.” I just threw up in my mouth.
28.“Tired of games, liars, players”. Heard it before. Prove it.
29.You’re ‘just looking’. This is a dating site professor.
30.I mostly watch animated shows. Deal with it.
31.I will not go to 50 Shades of Grey. Have fun.
32.If you like the beach. I hate sand.
33.You can’t pull off a bikini. A real one.
34.You have cats.
35.You have anything in your profile stating how crazy you are or how you’ll stab somebody because of your ethnicity. No thank you. Don’t want to be killed in my sleep.
36.You live in Chicago. Too far. Don’t like crowds, waiting or $8 beers.
37.If you think I’m meeting your friends anytime soon.
38.You’re looking for ‘casual dating/no commitment’. Translation – free s~~~ and no sex.
39.You list travel as an interest. It means I’ll be paying for trips. Plus, who the hell would want to go to an airport if they didn’t have to?
40.You think I care what your sign is.
41.You think you’re a queen or princess.
42.You’re pushing 40 and looking for someone to marry. For what exactly?
43.Your tongue is out. Put it back in your damn mouth.
44.“I’m done with the bar scene.” No, it’s done with you.
45.You do anything in mud. Are you a pig? Just another stupid fad you latched on to.
46.You have pictures of girls’ night out with stupid sideways peace signs. You’re always telling us to grow up, why don’t you do the same?
47.Contact me if we dated/talked before. I have a mind like a steel track and I will burn you.
48.Go on about your ‘career’. This does not turn me on, nor do I care.
49.Get surprised when I tell you to go f~~~ yourself if you flake on the first date. No, I won’t’ reschedule.
50.All your friends are guys.
51.You use the following words when describing a man: Career oriented. Secure in his career. Stable. Has a good job and so on. Translation-“I want $$$$$$$$$$$”
52.You have a motor mouth. That is why men play video games. Our consoles have an ‘OFF’ button.
53.You think communication means running your mouth 240 MPH while saying nothing. See 52.
54.I don’t want to hear about your ex. By all means, go back to the guy who spent his paycheck on cocaine or physically abused you as you can’t stop talking about him.
55.You’ve gone through a ‘cougar’ stage. Not paying for sloppy seconds, thirds or fourths you gave away for free to guys young enough to be your sons.
56.You think I’m going to communicate here for days.

Date:

A bar I will pick where we will watch professional hockey and you can pay for your own overpriced drink. Or, for once, you come up with something. Do I look like a jester that’s supposed to entertain you? You’ve gone on and on about how educated and intelligent you are but can’t figure out a date idea? It won’t be dinner. Whatever it is, you’ll be paying for your own s~~~. We’re adults, so if you think we won’t be horizontal after the third date, just move on because you want free dinners or lack the will to act which is probably worse. $40 is my limit. $0 is optimal.

Whoops. I just disqualified every woman in America. How does it feel? There are reasons you’ve been on dating sites for half a decade. Keep searching for that unicorn.

Friendly advice: Peruse the interwebz for multiple articles and videos of women lamenting about “Where have all the good men gone” and the like. You may control sex, but we control LTR’s and marriage. A little self-reflection wouldn’t hurt either.

Hahahahahahaha funny as f~~~.

[Poete MauditParticipant]

Thanks to all who have responded, I appreciate the open and welcoming atmosphere. I feel like a weight has been lifted, like I can stand a little taller knowing that I am not alone in my thoughts, that I’m not an anomaly.

Anonymous wrote:

Oh, and her father liked me. Is that bad?

It usually means you’re the first non-chad thunderc~~~ she’s dated.

all of a sudden, the sex went from good to horrible.

This was when she met and started f~~~ing the next guy.

I never thought about it that way, but in hindsight, yeah, I was. Also, that’s a disturbing thought, like putting on someone else’s dirty underwear. And to think, I assumed I was at fault. How foolish I was.

No, you/we do not get a woman as we all thought. Oh, how that p~~~es off the lizard brain.

See yourself as lucky. Imagine sitting in front of a lawyer trying to get your freedom back.

Hahaha, oh lizard brain, you son of a bitch.

I am lucky that I dodged the bullet of becoming trapped forever, I was planning on having her move in with me, really start to move things ‘forward’. Never had the chance to bring it up before the end, that’s a blessing in disguise. I was almost a slave.

experienced wrote:

It’s good for us to participate in the privilege of helping you as you already have helped others by going over your predicament.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that all of the guys here, except for you, lost their virginity at 12 years old and have bedded at least one million women. Just kidding.

When the sex goes to hell in a handbasket she is f~~~ing someone else. When it’s gone to hell and they want to desperation f~~~, rape f~~~, etc. they want to trick you into thinking you’re the father. When they disappear for a while, it’s to the abortion clinic with Chad’s unborn baby that won’t be supported by you.

There’s so much to unpack in what you said, thank you for sharing all that with me. Really makes me think. I know you’ve all heard it before, but it’s so jarring to step out of the cave, take the red pill. I’m relieved to find brothers waiting to help me walk.

Einherjar wrote:

There is unfortunately very little education for boys growing up these days regarding female nature, a nature so very different from our own. Indeed, we have the divorce-rate and alienation of fathers to thank for that neglect.

The mindset and nature of women is nothing like we thought it was when we grew up. The age of chivalry and knightly codes are dead and gone. Hypergamy, the governing trait in all females, has gone rampant in this modern age. When in the past it was contained and kept in check, it is now being nourished and glorified as a good trait for women to have.

All a man can do is to walk away, while carving out a new path in his wake… his very own road to happiness! Best of luck to you mate, know that you may always come here every time you meet an obstacle on the road.

Are there any truths worth knowing that don’t burn? It is unfortunate that we can’t be better educated from the start.

The Manipulated Man wrote:

What’s your problem with MGTOW?

Maybe you haven’t read, listened, or viewed enough of the MGTOW material posted on this site and on YouTube?

Perhaps reading the horrific s~~~ that other men have been through in Gynocentric hell is f~~~ing with your head?

Do you really want to go back to Blue Pill hell?

Yes, I admit it, I hate women too. They already had too much power before we gave them the vote. Now they are monsters (see poster below). I try to limit my exposure to them. And I am aware of my addiction to them.

MGTOW is NOT a woman hater’s club.

Apologies, I don’t have a problem, per say, just an air of caution. This sort of thing is new to me.

I have not. I am learning though.

If anything, reading their tales brings me relief. The world paints such a deceptive picture of relationships, knowing that I’m not the odd man out takes adjustment.

Hahaha, no, I would never go back. That was just me being down on myself, something I already think is unlikely to continue.

I’ve always seen it as an addiction. Even when I was in a relationship, I always felt that tug of desperation, like I needed my fix. How terrifying it is.
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To the others that I did not mention explicitly, thank you. I understand that anger is part of the process, I feel like that’s going to make the eventual peace of mind all the sweeter.

[EinherjarParticipant]

Welcome mate, and thank you for sharing your story! Venting your inner-most thoughts like you have done here is truly healthy, as keeping it to yourself quite often becomes unbearable after a time.

Also, it may be safe to say that many here on these forums have at one point been in the same boat as you have. There is unfortunately very little education for boys growing up these days regarding female nature, a nature so very different from our own. Indeed, we have the divorce-rate and alienation of fathers to thank for that neglect. And so this site is one of very few places where men may come to vent their frustration and share both knowledge and experiences. I hope you will learn that everyone here is willing to assist you in making the most out of your life, helping you on the path of which you have chosen for yourself.

And your frustration over women, this hate you carry over them, is luckily only a phase. I say luckily, since (and as pointed out by others here) hate is an energy-consuming thing to do. This rage is more commonly called the redpill-rage, and it is usually the first reaction most men have after swallowing the redpill. This redpill-rage should not be nourished too much though, as it have a way of diverting your focus and clouding your thoughts at a time when you are in the process of changing your surroundings.

The mindset and nature of women is nothing like we thought it was when we grew up. The age of chivalry and knightly codes are dead and gone. Hypergamy, the governing trait in all females, has gone rampant in this modern age. When in the past it was contained and kept in check, it is now being nourished and glorified as a good trait for women to have.

All a man can do is to walk away, while carving out a new path in his wake… his very own road to happiness! Best of luck to you mate, know that you may always come here every time you meet an obstacle on the road.

Cheers!

The worst form of inequality is to try to make unequal things equal - Aristotle (384 - 322 BC)

I’m going to be very honest with this, far more honest than I ever would be in the ‘real world’.

I am not entirely comfortable with being on this website yet, but I am going to give it a shot. In the worst case, I can always just leave. Again, I mean no offense, but I am being honest with you all. This is going to be long, and I can’t begin to offer a tl;dr version. I hope I’m not making a mistake.

I hate women. Not publicly, of course, and I can appreciate pretty things, I love an ass in yoga pants as much as the next man. But I do hate them. I hate nearly everything about them, even the beauty, wasted as it is. Obviously, I do not want to hate women, I understand that it is not “healthy”, or whatever argument can be made. But I hate them nonetheless.

It’s never been easy for me with women. Like many men, I grew up being taught to respect women and believing that if I was a good boy, I would be rewarded with one. Hell, I love the idea of Chivalry, knightly honour and all that, it’s a beautiful dream. I know that it’s all lies, but I’m getting ahead of myself. Like I said, I never had much luck with the ladies. I took a friend of mine to prom (we were both saxophone players), but that was really just for show, since the rural town I grew up in wouldn’t have allowed me to not go. And honestly, I did like her. I loved her. That night was all that 17 year-old me could have wanted, I even had my first kiss. But that’s all there is to that story (it’s been 10 years and last I heard she was still trapped in that one-horse town), and so I went to college….

College was hard for me, I wasn’t prepared for the massive social changes and lack of parental oversight. I partied and such, but nothing interesting came from it, and all in all it was a sad two years of my life. I dropped out, my father all but disowned me, and I moved back to my mom’s ranch. I reconnected with that girl from school, but only over messaging, and nothing came of anything. After a year of that I moved to California and ran a business in the Bay Area. I met amazing people and I formed some of the strongest bonds of brotherhood you could imagine. I joined a band, partied like a rock star, finally lost my virginity at 22, and got up every morning to open shop and sell comic books. Honestly, I loved it. I was my own man, living my own life, by my terms. That freedom meant the world to me. But I didn’t have that one thing. That one thing that I had been told for years was the most important thing for a man to have.

And then she walked into my life. It was like standing under a neon rendition of the Sistine Chapel being near her. Her smile made me want to weep tears of joy. Lancelot would have been jealous. She was 20, I was 23, and I showed her all the fun a young businessman could. Concerts, surfing, fancy dinners. I loved to share experiences with her, just sitting on the beach, watching the sunset with her; the world could have ended and I wouldn’t have cared. Jewelry and clothes, I showered her with gifts whenever I could. She was always bright and happy, always gracious, never asking for anything, never selfish. In hindsight, I never saw the warning signs. She wouldn’t meet my friends, didn’t meet my parents when she had the chance, even refused to join me at my best friend’s wedding. Oh, and her father liked me. Is that bad? I kinda miss that old man, come to think of it. Anyway, it all ended rather abruptly.

We had been dating for about two years when all of a sudden, the sex went from good to horrible. I can’t really put it into words, but for any of you that have had bad sex, just unresponsive, unpassionate, and lazy, you know what I’m talking about. I slowly realized this, thought it was my fault, tried to see if I could fix it. Then one night, she, well, she tried to make me rape her. Now, I can say with pride that I did no such thing; I’m all for roughness, but there is a line I would never cross. It was too much for me, I knew in my mind that something was wrong, that things were off in a serious way. Then she disappeared. Poof. Into the Aether.

A week or so after the “forcibly screw me while I tell you ‘no’ and then get p~~~ed when you won’t” incident, I couldn’t get a hold of her. One month went by. Zero Contact. I tried. I did everything one would do within reason, stopping short of filing a missing person’s report. Then she showed up at my work one day. Out of the blue. I was shocked, to say the least, but I kept my cool and we went and got a coffee. She was chipper as could be, no inclination of any problems. She told me about how she had met this great guy and so on and so forth. Honestly, I was dumbfounded. Years of living in polite society stopped me from losing my mind, and she left after about an hour. I know that sounds insane. It still feels insane to type it.

Well, I didn’t take it well once I got home and the shock set in. I spent the next month indulging in every vice I could. I spent that first week nearly black-out drunk. I didn’t go home, I didn’t change clothes, I had sex with at least four women (that I remember), two of whom were good friends of mine at the time. I burned through a few thousand dollars in cocaine, booze, and anything else that would make the pain stop. When I had to go back to work, I cleaned myself up and did so. All in all, my social life and professional life survived without a scratch. I cried in the shower every morning for a year.

The business moved locations, I bought a condo. Then my business partner stabbed me in the back and I was laid off after five years of loyal service. I mourned for a month and got a new job. I worked with lots of women at my new job. I started to become friendly with them, almost became “one of the girls”, if you will. Around Christmas time, I hooked up with one of my co-workers and her friend after a show. Bucket list, scratch one. Granted, I would never had gotten involved with a co-worker, but I just didn’t give a damn. And I have a weakness for redheads. I kept hooking up with her, we’d sneak off to a stockroom and f~~~ on a lunch break, she’d come over on a Sunday morning and we’d get wasted and make my neighbors file a noise complaint. She was fun, best I’ve ever had in the sack. She also had a boyfriend. I knew, of course, and I didn’t care. Then, one day, it was over. She refused to talk to me, shot me nasty looks, and quit about a month later. I shrugged and moved on, too bitter to care. It never became gossip at work, I don’t think so anyway. I worked hard, got promoted, and moved on.

I’m good at making friends, acquaintances at the least. One of the girls I worked with had a real piece of s~~~ for a boyfriend, used to pick her up for lunch drunk, had security called on him more than once (they thought he was a hobo), and that’s not even to say the stories she would tell. Now, she was attractive, little petite thing, but I had decided to not do anything about it. Just treat her like any other person. We’d all listen to her sob stories (all the girls had some), I’d give her advice on occasion (as one of the only straight men there), and so on. One night he forgot to pick her up from work, so I gave her a lift home (I’m not going to have a rape victim on my conscience), but again, I was professional to a tee. Then he left her. She sobbed and sobbed, I offered a shoulder, gave her encouragement, was a good ‘friend’. And then one day, about a week later (‘and then one day’ is becoming a catchphrase at this rate) she became a complete and total c~~~. Not just to me, but everyone. But there was extra venom directed at me. Then the meetings with HR came, the prodding questions trying to get me to admit to sexual harassment. Thankfully, my sterling job performance and charm saved me. The last straw was when I was called in and accused of putting my phone number in her cell phone, something that I informed them I had no way of accomplishing. I was given the choice of resigning or being fired. I chose to leave with some dignity. I lost my nerve once I got home, realized my life was a pointless waste of time, and considered suicide. Then I woke up one morning (after smoking I don’t even know how much pot) and realized what I had to do. I sold the condo, I moved away from the area, and I went back to college. That was six months ago.

I’m happier now, happy as I can pretend to be, anyway. I haven’t been with a woman since I moved (a long-overdue one night stand with a married friend) and honestly I’m super okay with that. But I hate them now. I would never do anything, obviously, but whenever I have to deal with a woman, be she waitress, classmate, or friend’s significant other, I just want to her to go away, by excessive force, if required. The contempt I feel is alarming, it saddens me, and it bothers me to my core. I don’t want to hate anyone, but I hate women more than anything now. I can’t see a female doctor, can’t take a class with a female professor, I even left a bar when the bartenders were all women.

So, why did I write all that? I don’t know, honestly. I guess I’m tired of hating. I’m not looking for pity, none of that was supposed to be a sob story, I just feel that I had to tell it. I feel like you men understand me, probably more than I do. I feel like you can help me be a better man, the man I want to be; independent, confident, and proud to be my own man. Maybe I’m wrong, in which case, I’ll ask that all this be deleted. If this was all too much for this introduction forum, I apologize. If you actually read all this, I’m impressed. I don’t think my ‘plight’ is unique, I don’t think I’m alone. I think I have kindred spirits here that can show me the light. I think I’ve waxed philosophical far too long.