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- 2015-11-27 at 9:26 AM#147675
This wouldn’t be the first nor the last time someone tries to go on a smear campaign against Trump…
Did you catch that video against Trump showing Mexican kids (about 10 years old) swearing, using finger gestures and talk about their rights and their country? They make kids go on camera to bash Trump in R-rated ways, but don’t have the b~~~~ to do it themselves and by having kids do that, they think they’re great parents. Losers!
https://themanszone.webs.com/
2015-11-27 at 8:10 AM#147633In reply to: Is Anyone Else Not Paying Attention…
I’m paying attention to it. That’s because I watch a lot of current events, which is mostly politics. I just want Trump. No way in hell should we elect Hillary. She’s too artificial. She even has a phony laugh; “ah hahahahahaaaahhh!”
https://themanszone.webs.com/
2015-11-25 at 10:29 AM#147187In reply to: Millennials and being MGTOW

AnonymousI’m 55 and have been aware of the men’s rights movement for about 20 years and posting on the subject since about 15 years ago.
One of the main things I see as changing from many years ago (when millennials were born, lol, god I’m old) is that young guys are much more involved with the movement.
I think it’s the millennials that are coming in at age 18-25. We used to see mainly men who were divorced and bitter from that. Now days we see young men looking for a way to live in this unlivable hell hole that feminism has created. A virtual concentration camp where outside thoughts are punished with ostracism, loss of academic position, workplace position, any publicly held position.
Millennials are being taught that even Nobel Prize winners achievements are trumped by a few feminazi’s complaints over nothing.
It is the top percent that realizes they are being treated like chumps.
That top percent is here. You guys are the leaders of your generation.
When your friends are crushed in campus false rape torture chambers, when their girlfriends dump them for the next bad boy or when a girlfriend drains dry leaving him with no friends, no hobbies, no life, you’ll be there to provide the MGTOW perspective and save a life.
2015-11-23 at 3:01 PM#146112In reply to: Doses of red pill on the front page of reddit today.
This was, or should have been, a red pill moment,
The stabbing thing actually over-trumps the other things about her. Everyone who is dating today needs to review the iconic movie Play Misty For Me [!] Pay close attention to the part where she plunges the scissors into the heart of the well-meaning white knight police officer.
Pay attention! Clint Eastwood is displaying real life to us in a harmless form to teach us a really, really valuable lesson in survival!
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
2015-11-21 at 3:38 PM#144962In reply to: De-FIRE Your Life
The most likely monetary scenario I see for the United States at this juncture will be chronic inflation, like what was seen in the late 1970s – early 1980s. This will occur as a result of further money printing, a continuation of the present (near-)zero interest rate regime, and a deterioration of the dollar’s status as a reserve currency. The scenario is most likely because it is the most politically expedient solution to the issue of social entitlements as it prevents a nominal default. The symptom of inflation is an increase in prices in general, is easily blamed on other parties. A 26% inflation rate will double prices every three years and 15%, like they were in 1980, will double them in five.
I think you’re conservative in your estimates as to what’s going to happen. Defaulting on pensions and the like will collapse the system; there is currently no option but default. There’s no way to inflate the government out of its obligations.
gold peaked about 4 years ago and its dropped almost 40% since then
The price of gold has been manipulated almost beyond belief by various governments, and generally is a fair marker of a truly nominal mean of exchange. Oil is down right now for a variety of reasons, including (obviously) increased supply and decreased demand.
The stock market has been so manipulated – and expectations for return on investment are so bizarrely low because of our false interest rate – that at the least, I’d stay the hell away from index funds. There are some good companies out there; the collapse of the government will make certain companies rather more valuable than others.
I myself see us ending our Weimar phase at some point. It’s unclear to me exactly what will replace it. Given that both Trump and Sanders are basically winning, I assume that most Americans are in fact fed up with our crony capitalist government and the total and absolute corruption we suffer under. There are a number of ways, historically, things can go from here . . .
"You can either love women, or understand women. You can't do both. Because once you understand women, you realize that there is really nothing to love."
2015-11-18 at 9:03 PM#144047In reply to: Should we play the at thier own game?
You can try to play their game, brother, but they’ve trained for it their entire lives, and they are better at it than you will ever be.
This is 100% spot on, unless youre some narcissistic male who would eventually find his way in politics. Weve been taught to be direct. To read the lines. Women naturally create a blur between the lines to cause plausible deniability and never be responsible or held accountable for their own actions.
I wouldnt blame any dude for playing the field to get pussy, especially if one is at an age where hormones trump all. But dont think your going to beat them at their game; men dont naturally play games and thats why PUA are so pathetic.
Even not considering age and hormones, once you realize modern girls are whores and how many c~~~s have been in them, how conveniently and shallow they view sex, their pussy loses that special auroa. Its actually quite sickening when you consider it.They lose the appeal of some sweet scented fresh flower and take on the image of a modern slut walk in all of its shame.
Not very appealing.
Resident cynic.
2015-11-15 at 11:06 AM#142540In reply to: Ronda Rousey Loses !!!
@phoenix: It appears you have misunderstood my post.
1) I never claimed I cannot beat a woman, nor did I allude to anything of the sort.
2) I pointed out the difference between physical strength, weight and striking power and how people often confuse them.
3) The term “McDojo” refers specifically to watered-down martial arts taught primarily as sports and/or to make money. In other words, exactly what I referred to in my post as “martial sports” and that I pointed out that people often confuse and conflate with martial arts. I can only assume you either didn’t read or that you misunderstood that part.
4) I did not make any specific claims regarding the differences between men and women; I merely pointed out the (simplified) mechanics involved. In actual practice, the overwhelming majority of female “fighters” couldn’t hold a candle to even an “average” male fighter because, as you said yourself, even with considerable training they don’t have much in the way of speed (with the occasional expection), so the simple fact that speed trumps weight for striking power doesn’t really matter in practice in most cases because they typically have inferior speed as well as weight.
5) In regards to power – remember, again, how to calculate kinetic energy. And yes, I know, the calculation I used actually describes the kinetic energy of an object already in motion, without taking into account acceleration from rest, but I find it usually gets the message across more easily than the more complex calculations. Of course, any misunderstanding in regards to “power” may actually result from you and I using different terminology rather than us having any actual disagreement on the matter.
6) Weight classes – only true in context. Historically, before people started using more “modern” safety rules, padding and so on, weight classes didn’t exist and the smaller/faster fighters won overwhelmingly, statistics-wise. Remember the differences I pointed out between martial sports and martial arts in my repost. Going by the “Unified Rules of Mixed Martial Arts” I personally clock in at the border between Featherweight and Lightweight (largely dependant on when I last ate) and I have many times in the past fought and defeated trained fighters who belong in the Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight classes. More to the point, I have never lost to a fighter heavier than the lower end of Welterweight, despite the majority of my opponents over the years belonging to Welterweight, Middleweight or Light Heavyweight. And yes, I’ve fought boxers, MMA fighters, traditional fighters, and more, anywhere from absolute beginners with only five or six years under their belt and all the way up to fighters with twenty or thirty or even forty years of experience. I’ve fought people who regularly compete in MMA, boxing, karate, taekwondo, judo and more, as well as those who never compete at all, and those times I have lost an unarmed one-on-one fight my opponent has always qualified as a traditional fighter who doesn’t engage in official tournaments of any sort.
7) “…ridiculous gap in physical strength between men and women…” – I never even mentioned this, so I don’t know why you bring it up.
8) I did not insult you anywhere in my post, yet you decided to insult me by calling me a mangina and/or woman. Classy.
There lies serenity in Chaos. Seek ye the eye of the hurricane.
2015-11-15 at 9:11 AM#142375In reply to: Ronda Rousey Loses !!!

AnonymousSounds to me like the vanquished facebook guy was afraid of Ronda kicking the s~~~ out of his mangina!
There is no way in heaven, or hell, or earth, or one of Saturn’s f~~~en moons that she could take guys down like Matt Hughes or GSP! It would be a slaughter. Now any guess how long it will take to make a come back, or will she get into a big ol tub of ice cream first.
She can’t take down any healthy male of a decent size, or even any male of her size or smaller that has had any training and isn’t in some way physically impaired.
The different in strength between a man and a woman is absurd. A woman has to be roughly a foot taller and 50+ lbs heavier before she will be as strong or stronger than an equivalent male, and I’m not even sure if that even works if said male is very fit.
I’ll just repost, since a lot of people still live in La La Land (no offense, Phoenix; I feel fairly certain it comes down to a lack of experience rather than self-delusion):
I don’t know anything about this Ronda person, nor will I pretend to, but I would like to point something out in regards to martial arts and fighting.
Many people, including many people I’ve seen here on MGTOW.com, have a very skewed view of what constitutes fighting. Most (but not all) of the “fighters” involved in boxing, MMA and many other popular sports haven’t undergone fighting training – they’ve undergone sports training. They have learnt techniques and tactics tailored to work under certain conditions, with certain rules and safety precautions. Nothing wrong with that, but many people mistake their success under those conditions to mean they would have equal success under all conditions.I mentioned this in another thread, but I’ll repeat the brief info: I’ve practiced martial arts for 23 years. I have engaged in hundreds of fights. I have engaged in thousands of sparring matches. I have fought hundreds of opponents of all skill levels, of dozens of different fighting styles. In all this time, I have only ever lost when fighting five or more opponents at once or when facing a single opponent of roughly my own size or smaller and with roughly equal or greater speed and skill.
Now, with that out of the way…
The most common misconception I see in regards to fighting has to do with body weight, size and muscle strength. By which I mean that many people – indeed, most – mistakenly believe that the larger, stronger person automatically has an advantage. In no-holds-barred fighting between opponents with even a modicum of skill and experience, this only holds true in wrestling and grappling. In unarmed striking and weapons fighting, on the other hand, the smaller opponent almost always has a distinct advantage. Why?
To calculate striking power, you need to take into account acceleration rate and mass. Most people know this. However, most people do not know that acceleration plays a much, much bigger part in this calculation than mass. To illustrate this, let’s use an extreme example:
Two people. One weighs, oh, let’s say 150 lbs/68 kg. The other, 300 lbs/136 kg. Now, let’s say the lighter person has twice the acceleration rate of the heavier.
What does this result in? The lighter person – yes, the one weighing half as much as the heavier person – hits a helluva lot harder. Not only that, the person probably has a smaller frame, and thus smaller fists, meaning that greater force gets concentrated onto a smaller area, causing even more damage.
For an example that some people will have an easier time understanding, consider a car, going 10mph. This will have a certain amount of kinetic energy. Now, imagine that same car going 20mph – at first glance one would think that this car would have exactly twice the kinetic energy, right? Wrong. The car going 20mph has four times the kinetic energy of the same car going 10mph. The reason? Speed/acceleration plays a much bigger part than mass when it comes to determining kinetic energy. The simplified calculation for an object in motion goes: Mass * speed * speed. Yup, you multiply the mass by the speed by the speed. So a doubling of speed means a quadrupling of kinetic energy.
When it comes to weapons fighting, as long as you meet the “minimum requirements” to properly wield the weapon, any excess strength doesn’t do much to help, and in many cases can actually work to your disadvantage, depending on the weapon and technique used. Again, then, speed/acceleration plays a much bigger role than size, mass and strength.Now, with the (simplified) science out of the way, let’s move on.
So, given the above, why do these gross misconceptions exist? Some (most?) of you have probably figured it out already – modern martial sports, and their prevalence in mass media (also Hollywood and comic books, with their ridiculously inefficiently proportioned action heroes). In modern boxing, MMA, sports karate, and so on, official matches operate under certain rules and safety precautions. Most notably, they ban killing and crippling techniques and most nerve and vital strikes. In addition, they usually force the participants to make use of protective gear such as padded gloves. What does this all mean for the fighters? Answer: Many things, but two stand out.
Firstly, the ban on techniques skews the fight heavily from the beginning. Why? Because smaller, faster fighters have a huge advantage in making use of (most) such techniques when compared to larger, slower fighters. If you want to put it in “game terms”, the smaller, faster fighters just got nerfed something fierce.
Secondly, the use of protective gear. Padded gloves do not only provide padding – which would confer more-or-less equal disadvantage to both fighters – they also increase the striking surface. Percentage-wise, if we assume the fighters use the same model of glove, they increase the smaller fighter’s striking surface area a lot more than the larger fighter’s. The additional weight – and thus decrease in acceleration – also has a greater percentage increase for the smaller fighter. Same goes for worn padding; the percentage decrease in efficiency becomes significantly greater for the smaller, faster fighter compared to the larger, heavier fighter. In game terms, again, the smaller, faster fighter just got nerfed something fierce.Chiefly because of the two above points, many, many people have a very skewed view of actual fighting. Indeed, even many so-called “fighters” have this view, due to a lack of experience with fighting without the aforementioned rules and limitations.
Now, some people may want to protest the above, citing instances of “traditional” fighters going into the ring against “sports” fighters and losing. Now, setting aside that most “traditional” fighters that have done so have had middling skill at best, remember the two points above. These traditional fighters suddenly see as many as half or more of their techniques rendered illegal (forcing them to grossly revise their tactics on the fly), and of their remaining techniques, virtually all suddenly got a helluva lot less effective. Going the other way around – with the sports fighter going up, no-holds-barred, against the traditional fighter – the sports fighter likely wouldn’t last more than a few seconds, at best, against an opponent of equal skill. Why? Because he uses techniques and tactics tailor-made for use under certain rules and safety precautions, which don’t exist outside the ring. Of course, some sports fighters also practice traditional martial arts in addition to martial sports, so don’t take this as applying in every single case.
For something more illustrative: Imagine a tiger, raised in captivity. In its youth it had its teeth and claws pulled out – not just trimmed, pulled out. Its owners then set it up to fight against other, similarly crippled tigers. The years go by, and the tiger becomes more and more proficient at fighting without its natural weapons. Then one day, its owners manage to capture a wild tiger, and decide to have it fight the first tiger. However, to make the fight “fair”, they pull out the recently-captured tiger’s teeth and claws before putting the tigers into the ring together. Who do you think will win – the tiger that has spent its entire life fighting without its teeth and claws, or the one that only just had them removed? Now, imagine that same match-up, but with the second tiger retaining its teeth and claws. What do you think will happen?
I hope this helps people understand the difference between martial arts and martial sports and why you really, really shouldn’t confuse or conflate the two (which a helluva lot of people do, sadly).
Now, lastly, how all this relates to the thread: I do not know this Ronda person, nor will I pretend to. However, with this post I wanted to point out that many – indeed, perhaps most, for all I know – of the protests against her ability to go up against a male fighter stem from peoples’ misconceptions about fighting, based on the points I’ve made above. Again, I don’t know anything about her, nor any other famous sports fighter, male or female (I don’t follow sports), so I have no idea how she would actually fare in a fight against any one particular fighter.
Just my two cents.
I don’t know what’s worse, the awful science and bad understanding of how reality works, or your insistence on drawing attention to it, since apparently this isn’t the first time you wrote that.
I’m a trained boxer, and I also have some grappling experience. I’m fairly certain my experience trumps your McDojo experience, especially since you apparently can’t beat a woman. If your striking is so poor that you legitimately cannot out-strike a woman, I do not know what to tell you. We used to bring in pro-boxer females, they all stunk. We weren’t allowed to spar with them, and even training with them was rather painful. Mitt training with a woman is all you need to do to see just how slow they are and how weak they are.
It’s also patently absurd to think a smaller man with less muscle mass has more power than a bigger man.
Weight classes exist for a reason, and that reason is to keep smaller fighters from just being destroyed. This is also why the gender restriction is there. A transexual can destroy Rousey, and she has in fact whined and complained about just that.
I am honestly embarrassed for you. Even Olympic female athletes train with and lose to men’s HS JV teams. That’s the ridiculous gap in physical strength between men and women. Even 2 days training would have revealed these things, or any time around female athletes (who quick to admit their physical inferiority). The only people that think women are physically equal to men are people that watch too much television and see 100 lb women jumping around and fighting with 250 lb men on equal or superior terms.
I could go on, but, well, I think you might be a woman or mangina, so I’ve already wasted enough of my time even writing this.
If I were to fight Rousey, there is a legitimate concern that I would physically kill her. Rousey is something like 5’4 130 lbs. Even without using any of my punching technique, there’s just nothing she could do. Physically she is too weak to grapple me either. But striking, the difference between male and female striking is just gigantic.
2015-11-11 at 2:21 PM#140347In reply to: Trump on SNL Tonignt
People still watch SNL? I stopped watching when Mike Myers, Chis Rock, Adam Sandler, Kevin and all them left and I just entered in middle school. I watched a bit for Norm McDonald, but when they kicked him off, I stopped watching.
No, I dont. Its not funny at all and I havent watched it in 20 years. Just tuned in to see Trump
Resident cynic.
2015-11-11 at 6:52 AM#140110In reply to: Liberalism is Now Self-Cannibalizing
Liberalism, which is based on individual rights in the west, is prone to having issues of contradictions as rights conflict with one another. You will have the progressive vs the libertarian views of rights come into conflict.
On the conservative side, there is also conflict going on, as there is debate over things vs what works and doesn’t. What you see around Trump is an example of this. We are in a time of transition, so expect more change.
I would say, if you go your own way, and just get that going, and keep it to yourself, you can likely get through life with minimum annoyance.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
2015-11-10 at 10:52 AM#139636In reply to: What I'm doing this weekend.
Have things become that hostile on campus?
Have things become that hostile on campus? Campus is Ground Zero for this kind of s~~~, Jan. Haven’t you been paying attention?
Here’s a video in a very recent thread on our own forum that might get the point across: /forums/topic/safe-place-absurdity/ Watch it if you can and keep remembering that all that hate, screaming, and vitriol is about Halloween costumes. Beginning to get the picture?
Be careful about which “public” streets you leaflet. Many times that seemingly public road belongs to the university in question. Your best bet is to find the commercial sector which abuts every campus. You know, the road with all the stores, bars, coffee shops, food take-aways, etc. That will definitely be a public thoroughfare and will have plenty of places to put up leaflets. Don’t try anything around the dorms, dining halls, student union, or classrooms.
I can understand your desire to do something, we all feel it to some extent or another. However, attempts at mass proselytizing are counter-productive thanks to feminism’s grip on both public spaces and the legal system. Over the years, I’ve found it far more effective to lead by example while engaging in one-on-one “missionary” work. I’ve a few younger male relatives – nowhere near a majority sadly – who are MGTOW in both thought and action. What’s more, they’ve flat out told me it’s because of the way they’ve seen me live my life, especially in contrast to their sad sack fathers.
Also, while I don’t go around trumpeting my MGTOW status, I’m not shy about making my opinions and observations known when the opportunity arises. I don’t begin conversations about horrible girlfriends, faithless wives, and hellish marriages. However, when such topics come up, I always drop our red pill philosophy into the mix. I rarely use the term MGTOW, thanks to the negative press it continually receives, but I always talk up the ideas while eschewing the label. I point men to specific youtube channels and other sites too. Terrence Popp’s Redonkulas.com is one that always seems to work well.
You can do something Jan by just living a MGTOW life and making no apologies for it. There’s no need to start petitions, raise banners, lead marches, and sell memberships. Stealthy is completely correct that stealth is the way to go.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
2015-11-09 at 6:53 AM#138981In reply to: Christianity is Unoriginal
Today, the picture is a bit more complicated, with, say, Karaite Jews being patrilineal and Conservative Jews favoring matrilineal. Reform used to require conversion if one parent was non-Jewish, but no longer does in the US.
It doesnt matter. Views, rules and laws made by man have zero authority over the rules and laws of the bible.
Luke 21:33
Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.Most religions are a change-o-rama; with changing social norms, views on slavery, treatment of other religions, apostasy, genocide, collective punishment, the divine right of Kings vs democracy, among a small handful. They change with the times, and Judaism, is no exception.
I tend to agree BUT Christianity isnt a religion! Catholicism is a religion for example.
Religion is defined as an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods. (made by man)Corinthians 3:16
Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?
Matthew 6:1-34
“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. …
2015-11-08 at 12:00 AM#138221In reply to: Trump on SNL Tonignt
Watching this live now. Hope others catch it because Id like to hear your thoughts.
Right from the intro someone screamed “Youre racist”. It was Larry David, written into the script. Pre-empted anyone and stole anyones thunder. I bet Trump had this written in. Brilliant.
First fake commercial they had was called “bad girls”. To me it honestly looked like they were mocking the “strong independent woman” s~~~ that is so over the top now. I know SNL are complete PC liberals, but I dont see how else that skit could have been interpreted.
Love to hear anyones thoughts.
Resident cynic.
2015-11-07 at 10:12 PM#138180Topic: Trump on SNL Tonignt
in forum Political CornerBeen looking forward to this. I hate SNL, so outdated, liberal, and not funny at all; but Im looking forward to seeing the Donald.
Some f~~~ing liberal Hispanic group is paying $5k to anyone who screams Trump is racist in the audience. They also tried to get NBC to forgoe Trump as a host. Liberals are liberal about everything but liberty. F~~~ing terrorists. Always stifling any voice they dont agree with.
Hope its good and doesnt paint him in a bad light. I dont think much press is bad for him, the only problem is he needs to garner swing voters and independents. Hope this doesnt hurt. Honestly the parties couldnt be more stark in contrasts. I dont know how anyone can be “undecided” between dems or republicans. Do these people have zero positions on any fundamentals? Wtf.
Resident cynic.
2015-11-07 at 12:29 PM#137992In reply to: Another Little Old Lady Conversation
You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Saying no to sex or not even trying to get sex from a potential date dismantles their ability to control you. This is why they get so upset and disturbed. It’s like playing an ace card and seeing it get trumped. Women in general are totally baffled when a man is able to say no to their charms.
She's not looking for love. She's looking for someone to finance the lifestyle that SHE thinks SHE deserves.
2015-11-07 at 9:14 AM#137895In reply to: Rebublican politicians are manginas too
Republican politicians are being stomped by third party.
The third party that has infiltrated the republicans are known as
Trump
Carson
Cruz
This is because everyone knows that people like Jeb and Rubio will just vote along democratic lines and continue to ruin this country. Plummeting it into further SJW dystopia. The “establishment” republicans can’t stand those three. Which is why I’m voting for them. The RINO republicans like Rubio who voted for amnesty are trying to slither their way back in…..
I’ve stated this many times, it’s X or Hillary. I’m going with X. Hopefully it’s Dr. Carson or Trump. I’d prefer Trump just because his ego is such that he won’t backtrack. Hillary should just be in prison already. Disgusting woman.
2015-11-06 at 8:27 PM#137721In reply to: The campaign of hillary clinton in a nutshell
2015-11-06 at 2:57 AM#137363In reply to: The campaign of hillary clinton in a nutshell
How anyone could vote for Clinton is beyond comprehension. She is the epitome of establishment politician. No matter what you think of Sanders – he is no B.S. He doesn’t want the corporate donations and PACs. Donald Trump is writing his own ticket as well. We would do well under either one of these candidates. If Shillary is elected – time to leave the US lol.
2015-11-06 at 1:07 AM#137341In reply to: The Time to Sacrifice All and Make Your Woman Happy
PS, If you are Donald Trump… and have mega millions at stake… then obviously you’re going to have lawyers in your corner… but forgodsakes… keep them under control and out of sight… while you try to charm her through an amicable process. Call in the big guns as you see fit.
BTW Mr. Trump… I seriously want to bang your daughter. Damn.
I wash my Ferrari with the tears of lonely feminists.
2015-11-04 at 10:13 PM#136752Sorry CP …. I just can’t stand to hear mention of her name.
I can’t read your post as I know it will fk my day (not your fault … mine)
She IS the devil …. I’m fking serious … this is the s~~~ satan trumpets.
But I also know you show who and what she is.
I sincerely thank you for that because I just can’t deal with her.
There are not many people I wish harm …. anymore … but she has a special place in my soul.
Going to shower now. I feel filthy.
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