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- 2019-01-16 at 2:54 PM#884749
In reply to: Bets on Gov Shutdown
amen JB! My friend said some crap about “they will not allow Trump to make a State of the Union address.” I dont get it.
Well, he is invited into their chambers to give the speech so I suppose technically they don’t have to invite him. But that can’t stop him from addressing the nation at another location without them. I think they should do it in the ballroom of his hotel down the street from the White House and invite Republicans only. Screw you if you don’t want to do the State of the Union.
My bet is for AFTER March 31st. My friend says thats impossible. I told him, “watch!”
I love your bet. I don’t know if you’ll win though. The Dems may cave before then. Especially after the State of the Union if Trump can actually deliver a coherent message about the necessity of the wall.
Order the good wine
2019-01-16 at 2:46 PM#884746In reply to: Bets on Gov Shutdown
amen JB! My friend said some crap about “they will not allow Trump to make a State of the Union address.” I dont get it.
People wont get welfare checks? LOL I just got a letter from my bank in the email. It said some crap about “we know the shutdown affects you and we stand by your side and want to help you.” Whatever the f~~~ that means… LOL. Im not on the Government dole. Apparently Coast Guard aint getting paid. That is sort of effed up. Those boys in the Coast Guard need their PX money, that aint a joke. That will lower morale.
I blame Nancy ‘Skeletor’ Pelosi. That bitch needs to die.
2019-01-16 at 2:42 PM#884745In reply to: Bets on Gov Shutdown
The democrats are going to so crazy they are demanding President Trump not have his State of the Union speech: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-16/pelosi-demands-trump-delay-state-union-over-shutdown
I know this much:
1. Trump will beat them over the head during his State of the Union address – and –
2. The freeloaders will be screaming to cut a deal on the day their welfare checks don’t show up
I have reading rumors on the web that President Trump might be able to start firing furloughed government workers after thirty days of not working.
2019-01-16 at 2:39 PM#884744In reply to: Bets on Gov Shutdown
I know this much:
1. Trump will beat them over the head during his State of the Union address – and –
2. The freeloaders will be screaming to cut a deal on the day their welfare checks don’t show up
We just don't realize life's most significant events while they're happening. Back then, I thought, "Well, there'll be other days". I didn't realize that that was the only day. - "Moonlight" Graham
2019-01-16 at 2:35 PM#884743Topic: Bets on Gov Shutdown
in forum Political CornerOkay, its official. I have a live bet with my Trump hating blue pill friend.
I win $5 if the Government is shut down until April 1st or later. If the government reopens anytime between now and March 31st, Im out $5.
My friend thinks Trump will back down. I say hell no he wont. He doesnt understand, Trump isnt kidding around. The DEMS think they can cuck-puppet the POTUS. WRONG. You either fund his steel barrier or continue on with the Gov shutdown. That is the last word.
The bet is for when the Government will reopen, not if or when an actual wall will be built, or if or when Trump backs down… The $5 bet is for WHEN the GOV reopens. There could be mass rioting and civil unrest….doesnt matter.
My bet is for AFTER March 31st. My friend says thats impossible. I told him, “watch!”
2019-01-16 at 12:57 PM#884721+100! Obama being president did the opposite of what many thought would happen. Racism became worse than it had been for many years.
Its because he put identity politics on steroids.
I think your average right leaning middle class straight white guy views equality as things like phasing out affirmative action and alimony.
How does the left view equality? They want to legislate certain companies have certain percentages of women sitting on boards, give certain races preferential treatment getting into colleges and hired for jobs(why do they think Elizabeth Warren lied about being Native American on applications? Oh wait…they don’t want to talk about that.), and give single mothers the world while throwing men in jail when they fall behind on child support.
Back in the day we had Jim Crow laws. Jim Crow laws kept white males ahead by pushing everyone else back. People like Obama want the opposite, only they don’t want to push white males back, they want to push everyone else ahead. In practice its like running a 100 yard race. Jim Crow laws put whites on the starting line and everyone else 10 yards behind it. The current democrat party wants to put straight white males on the starting line and everyone else 10 yards in front of it. That s~~~ is no better than Jim Crow laws were.Ha, “…….Elizabeth Warren……”, or as President Trump calls her, “Pocahontas”. Like the rest of them, she’s a f~~~in’ joke.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
2019-01-16 at 11:46 AM#884696In reply to: Southern Border
However, I don’t see that as a reason not to have a wall
I am against a full out wall because it is not cost effective but i am doubly against Trump’s wall because it is Trump we are dealing with the Man who has kept the Government shutdown for almost a month now, the Man who lies about how ISIS is sending Muslims from the Southern border, the Man who is corrupt and lies about alot of other things and the Man who brags about buying Fast food for a Sports team and paying for it all by himself.
It is probably best if we have a wall that Trump does not get to see it even if we have to wait 30 plus years for that to happen (if he merges with a Machine in 20 years then it might never happen).
So again, if Obama’s security is the real deterrent and a wall is irrelevant, then why did he put up a wall at all?
I looked up Obama’s home (right on the regular Newspaper site not some backdoor or secret) and it looks like Obama’s home has a wall but it it covers the back and sides of it only and is not the greatest wall (meaning the front door is open to the street someone could theoretically knock on his door).
This way anyone who seeks asylum does not have to pay a coyote, risk rape and all the dangers of such a trek across several countries
Not bad but i am also for a steamline process which promotes Immigration (so of course Gang members are not gonna be let in but it is easier for those who want it.
Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.
2019-01-16 at 3:09 AM#884637it didn’t make all Obama supporters racist
I define the biggest Trump supporters as Magatards and being a Magatard is more likely to make one be a racist. Stating you voted for Trump in 2016 is not enough to be racist, saying you support Trump on some things but not others is not enough to be racist, but if you are a Magatard (a real Trump supporter not just a fan or a voter) then yes i believe you are more likely to be racist. Here is one example of that (i must add a warning as this comes from the NY Daily News).
https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/man-maga-hat-cuffed-allegedly-pushing-immigrant-tracks-article-1.3956571Have you ever heard of words like stereotyping, or prejudice? They describe you rather well.
Of course the right wing can stereotype all they like but lefties, they ain’t allowed to stereotype as doing so is wrong.
Uh…Republicans were for equal rights, hence the civil rights act.
And not for it anymore especially because their Policies affect them in a different manner Blacks and Hispanics are more likely to get stopped and frisked then Whites are where it is legal/when it was legal. Blacks are more likely to be arrested for Weed then Whites etc.
we’d like to see men and women treated equally in family courts.
Something i am completely against as Men and Women are not equal, would you treat a Man who likely worked alot more, brought in more revenue, had more of a dedication to his work and more get treated on the same level as Woman who was picked due to the ability to have Children, does not work as much, is not dedicated as much and is not worth as much?
And since you are probably pro Business let’s use a Business standpoint here, divorce causes Men to kill themselves, dead Men can’t work, Men are far more likely to surpass Women working wise (so while i believe all Workers should make a living wage, Men are more likely to surpass it into becoming richer) so by having f~~~ed up Divorce laws you limit Men and stop talented Workers (Taxes are less of a pain in the ass then Alimony and Child support are).
And finally on the issue the reason why the MRA is a complete failure is that they argue from that middle ground 50/50 standpoint and don’t hammer on about getting more power and having more protests and enough Men Unionizing (aka protesting) would stop the bulls~~~ for at least a moment as the Economy would slow down without Men.
your example is valid and mine is bulls~~~?
The average Trump supporter is more likely just to be some random Guy who supported Trump by voting for him but just living his life (just like the Obama voter especially in the rust belt). When you mean Obama supporter (i am guessing you mean like Obamatards) the only People really like that are the Radical Centrists, like the People who really supported Hillary Clinton and did not just stick their hand to close their nose and do it unwillingly or because a better Person was not picked?
In that case id have to say old registered Democrats fit your bill as they are the ones who love Hillary Clinton and Joe Bidden the most based on the Policy they agree with them on.
Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.
2019-01-16 at 2:29 AM#884634It is interesting how you support government policies that in practice deny U.S. workers and their families healthcare while forcing U.S. workers and their families to pay for the healthcare of everyone else.
You have to explain that one, if i am for Single payer Healthcare how am i for denying US workers and their Families Healthcare?
Instead of making assumptions, you need to do research before commenting
I am used to what Conservatives argued in the 2000’s as that is what i can remember and a few of their points would be either Obamacare/Single payer would put older People on death panels, would have People dying waiting for care the Hospital and People waiting years for surgery (all of these is what they still argue today aside from going against covering pre-existing conditions which they compared to having others to pay for a car which was already broken or have Insurance on the house already burned down).
That is on Bush Sr.
Bush is where the pardon came in for it, Reagan did not go down for it despite the fact if Reagan did that s~~~ in 1953 he would have likely been executed for it (at least imprisoned) but you forget that Bush Sr was the Vice President of Ronald Reagan so neither Reagan or Bush got impeached over this.
But, you consider it treason for President Trump to even compliment the Russians, let along talk to the Russians.
Which i don’t that is a bulls~~~ strawman you made up. Trump is at fault since he has done corrupt things such as multiple violations of the emoluments clause, shaping foreign policy to help his donors/those who paid him like how he does not condemn Saudi Arabia or stop them from using US weapons in their genocide in Yemen with them doing one case of spending a few hundred thousand dollars for rooms at Trump’s hotel. And when it comes to local corruption (on the good old American soil) he put Betsy DeVos as the head of the department of Education as she is married to a Republican multi billionarie Donor who’s father owned the Orlando Magic, or what about Michael Cohen who currently in Prison for the hush money payments along with other crimes?
I have seen first hand how Unions burn people out and you wish this for all U.S. workers.
I am for a Living wage alongside benefits for Workers whether they are Union Workers or not, i am for the promotion of Unions but not the requirement of Unions in every field/Job. however i can get it if every Job was a Union Job.
Go real the writings of Karl Marx. MAGA supporters have more in common with Karl Marx than SJW progressives.
No as i have stated it multiple times however Liberals/Progressives are not all Communists especially those Bernie Sanders type as they are Social Democrats. Magatards are not even Centrist Democrats policy wise and i already told you the closet to pro-worker Trump is.
Go look into the Yellow Vest movement, their whole revolt is over the globalists using the environment (carbon taxes) as an excuse to impoverish the French people and steal the wealth of the French people.
Actually their movement is based off the corrupt French Government putting the burden of Climate change on the Workers rather then the Businesses which cause about 73 percent of it. The way to go after Climate change is to go after Businesses which cause the majority of it and then begin to promote green energy and the eventual getting off of fossil fuels which you ignore the Science stating that is the best option.
Fake News has been caught multiple times editing videos and outright lying on the comments of President Trump. That is why they are called fake news.
Prove to me that this video was tampered with in some manner (and no basic editing meaning they can’t play the entire speech for one clip is not tampering). If you cannot prove it then you are just a Conspiratard.
Ron Paul was globalist “controlled opposition”. And the Libertarian party has become the party of “weed”.
Ron Paul has positions which Business just loves however when it comes to Policies, Ron Paul beats Donald Trump (despite the many disagreements i have with Ron Paul).
You do not get to tell me what to do. You are not in control here
Where did i attempt to imply this? for example if i call someone Racism i am not attempting to get them thrown off the forum nor do i have control of the forum (or pretend too).
the global economy lost $8 TRILLION dollars. Those CEOs and other insiders lost of lot of money last year on their globalist investments.
I need a citation for your sources here along with the source about Unions.
You are confusing Barry Goldwater of Arizona with George C Wallace of Alabama.
No i am not since George Wallace was an open Segregationist and Barry Goldwater supported States rights stating that the Government should not have the power to force States to intergrate (meaning he thought it was the Government overstepping it’s bounds).
In addition, you actually believe LBJ was a champion of minorities.
No rather he promoted the policy of Civil rights which divided the Southern Democrats off into becoming Republicans or other third parties (to where the Republicans became the party of Southern Racists) and popular enough to win an election (but of course he f~~~ed it up to which he then decided not to run in 68 because of a likely asswhooping by Nixon.
To the next guy really quick and then dividing the rest into a second post.
On the question of racism within political parties, people seem to want a assume that anything coming out of a known racists mouth must be wrong.
No as rather it is a secondary thing and not just the major thing. If someone is being racist i show them why i think he is wrong and then provide evidence for the racism claim as well.
Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.
2019-01-15 at 1:17 PM#884497Which means you ignore Political shifts,
Strange…when I use to same stupid logic you do, I’m “ignoring political shifts.”
Okay beforehand since this is CNN here you only need to listen to 30 to 38 seconds of this to get the clear picture and the actual words from a outspoken Trump supporter.
Lol you are just too retarded to understand that Obama had millions of supporters, some hardcore racists…it didn’t make all Obama supporters racist. Trump has millions of supporters, no doubt some hardcore racist…it doesn’t make all Trump supporters racist.
Have you ever heard of words like stereotyping, or prejudice? They describe you rather well.
So that means if you are White then back then you should have voted for the Democratic party and then switched to the pro White Republican party after Civil rights was enacted? if you were a Republican then you were an anti White, White.
Uh…Republicans were for equal rights, hence the civil rights act.
It might be hard for you to comprehend, but some of us are actually for equality, which means we’d rather not see people s~~~ on or given special privileges for being of a certain race the same way we’d like to see men and women treated equally in family courts.
Which is bulls~~~ for example Black supremacists who think they are Jews (they call themselves the Black Hebrew Israelites) are racists or Jews (not the wannabes) who support Baruch Goldstein are also racists (he was the man who refused to treat non Jews and shot dead about 30 Muslims at their Religious service in 1994).
So you point out examples of a wingnut racist right wingers and act like that depicts the average Trump supporter, but if I point out a wingnut left winger and act like that depicts the average Obama supporter…your example is valid and mine is bulls~~~?
Like I said…all you are displaying here are great examples of stereotyping and prejudice…some of the very things liberals ironically claim to be against.
2019-01-15 at 12:44 PM#884479On the question of racism within political parties, people seem to want a assume that anything coming out of a known racists mouth must be wrong. As is they are pure evil, and cannot have a logical or correct thought in their heads. It makes things pretty easy that way, just ask a racist what he things and do the exact opposite.
Of course that’s total crap. The fact that I have my view of government has similarities to how a white nationalist views government, does not mean I am a white nationalist. Being racist, being a white nationalist would make me a white nationalist.
To that end, I really don’t care if someone shows up to a Trump rally in a white hood. I rather that not happen because sheep will draw the wrong conclusions, but it does not mean that Trump’s platform is white nationalism. If Trump were making blatantly racist statements, or seeking the advice of known racists, then I would question his leadership. I would not doubt my views on government, only Trump.
And this is where I see a big difference between Republican and Democrats. Democratic leaders are openly making racist/sexist/ageist statements. The hatred for old white men certainly didn’t come from a Republican. And they consult with known racists. Not white nationalists, but racists just the same.
I am bothered by the fact that democrats and them media believe that a picture of diversity is a picture of Congressional representatives that is all democrats and all women. Not at all inclusive or representing the current make up of the population of the United States.Well said.
I think it is also worth pointing out that the Dems who supposedly are the party for people of color have done absolutely NOTHING to better the position of blacks, but rather keeps poorer blacks on the government dole which is a more subtle and much more evil type of “control”.
Under Democrat rule inner city crime has only increased as have entitlements. No statistical increase for blacks in earnings, degrees, home ownership and financial independence have occurred.
I’m hopeful the average black voter has picked up on Trump bringing jobs to them versus more entitlement programs and that this will sway votes going forward.
2019-01-15 at 10:26 AM#884435On the question of racism within political parties, people seem to want a assume that anything coming out of a known racists mouth must be wrong. As is they are pure evil, and cannot have a logical or correct thought in their heads. It makes things pretty easy that way, just ask a racist what he things and do the exact opposite.
Of course that’s total crap. The fact that I have my view of government has similarities to how a white nationalist views government, does not mean I am a white nationalist. Being racist, being a white nationalist would make me a white nationalist.
To that end, I really don’t care if someone shows up to a Trump rally in a white hood. I rather that not happen because sheep will draw the wrong conclusions, but it does not mean that Trump’s platform is white nationalism. If Trump were making blatantly racist statements, or seeking the advice of known racists, then I would question his leadership. I would not doubt my views on government, only Trump.
And this is where I see a big difference between Republican and Democrats. Democratic leaders are openly making racist/sexist/ageist statements. The hatred for old white men certainly didn’t come from a Republican. And they consult with known racists. Not white nationalists, but racists just the same.
I am bothered by the fact that democrats and them media believe that a picture of diversity is a picture of Congressional representatives that is all democrats and all women. Not at all inclusive or representing the current make up of the population of the United States.
Ok. Then do it.
2019-01-15 at 9:44 AM#884424If i called my prime minister a f~~~wit online, and some casually dressed dudes turned up at my house and wont identify themselves, I would tell them to f~~~ off as well.
Freesdom of speech is a constitutional right in the US isn’t it?
She posted “why can’t somebody just shoot him between the eyes and be done withit.”
That’s encouraging violence against the president of USA which is unlawful. We call presidents all kind of cuss words all day and that is not against the law. There is a distinction.
The guys at her front door did identify themselves and were very courteous. It s clear she s the problem.
Personally, I’m not that big fan of trump but I have and will defend him when it comes to unfair ridicule or threats of violence.
God bless peace and freedom.
2019-01-15 at 8:59 AM#884414You mean how Hillary pushed Single payer Healthcare? well the fact is the plan if it happened would not be Obamacare if it was actually Single payer as Obamacare requires Citizens to buy Health Insurance off of the market place (in the case of Obama a Private market place not even Public option) while Single payer avoids the need to buy Insurance for the majority of People (meaning all Citizens would have a right to Healthcare without going bankrupt due to the lack of Insurance.
It is interesting how you support government policies that in practice deny U.S. workers and their families healthcare while forcing U.S. workers and their families to pay for the healthcare of everyone else.
I don’t know the specific situation and what the bill had in it but today Single payer is now far more popular then ever in the United States especially with the spread of the Internet. My guess (it is just a guess) is that Republicans did their typical rail campaign stating how Grandpa was going to put on death panels and they would kill your Grandpa and since the Internet was popular enough alot of People could not fact check them.
Instead of making assumptions, you need to do research before commenting. For example, ginning up seniors was a tactic of the democrats.
The Iran Contra affair which is an act of treason but since Republican Jesus did it you ignore it.
That is on Bush Sr.
Selling Weapons to your Nations enemies was a surefire way to get executed back in the day but Reagan and his Buddies avoided all of it (not even his Buddies which actually sold the Weapons got executed).
I doubt you even know much about the Cold War and shifting alliances.
If Ronald Reagan had sold Weapons to the Soviet Union back in 1952 he would have been executed just like the Rosenbergs were and the act is the biggest act of treason in modern America.
Yet, you do not talk about how Hillary, Obama, Mueller, and so many other establishment individuals worked together to sell American uranium to the Russians. But, you consider it treason for President Trump to even compliment the Russians, let along talk to the Russians.
Your hypocrisy is staggering.
That would make it out that all Businesses have to work through a Union something which i support in the majority of cases. If all Jobs went through Unions then there would be little to no need for Minimum wage laws.
This shows you know nothing about modern Unions. Modern Unions worker their member to the bone. I have seen first hand how Unions burn people out and you wish this for all U.S. workers.
Yes as specific Communistic revolts i find respectable and even Governments i disagree with whether still existing or no more i have respect for. Why i find evil Communist Cuba respectable? simply because what the US Government has done with Puerto Rico with continued control over it, if the bay of pigs was successful then Cuba would be another puppet State to the USA like South Korea or Puerto Rico. But Politically i am not a Communist (it would be like starting that i must have the views of Herbert Hoover if i respected Herbert Hoover).
I doubt you even know what “communism” is. You likely believe that communism is only about tearing down the white man and getting free stuff.
Go real the writings of Karl Marx. MAGA supporters have more in common with Karl Marx than SJW progressives.
Getting rid of NAFTA, implementing a living wage alongside the promotion of Unions and implementing tariffs which are higher costing to the Businesses who seek to outsource Jobs there (like the real important stuff we need like Computers, TV’s Cars etc) then it would be to make it in the United States and by making more Jobs in the green energy field to eventually get us off Fossil fuels. This will help us more then doing NAFTA but with slightly better Policies (which is still NAFTA).
Still pushing that fake green technology. The only thing “green” about green technology is the money that is stolen from U.S. workers by government to line the pockets of globalists on the excuse of creating “green technology”.
Go look into the Yellow Vest movement, their whole revolt is over the globalists using the environment (carbon taxes) as an excuse to impoverish the French people and steal the wealth of the French people.
You mean like this where Trump directly states his support for Torture and beyond (Waterboarding is Torture by supporting Waterboarding Trump is supporting Torture).
Fake News has been caught multiple times editing videos and outright lying on the comments of President Trump. That is why they are called fake news.
From what i saw it was at least stating whether he could take Military action but Trump did state he would Nuke North Korea/get into a War with them and would totally destroy North Korea (meaning Millions of Civilians would die in the process especially Children).
Interesting how you ignore North Korea firing missiles OVER Japan and making threats to everyone.
But, since President Trump decided to focus on North Korea and he met with Dictator Kim, things are getting better there. Relations between North Korea and South Korea have warmed a bit, a few roads have been opened between the two nations, and North Korea has not fired any missiles outside of their nation within the last year.
Prove that to be the truth
Obviously you lack understanding of human nature in how those in authority inquire on the bounds of their authority.
and by definition i mean a Democratically elected leader specifically in the western world (so Saddam Hussien wouldn’t count as he was considered the President of Iraq). Your statement might be the biggest bulls~~~ in the thread.
I am sure you prefer to support tyrannical aristocracies because they are so romantic to think about.
You need to take off your rose colored glasses.
Here is Libertarians praising the Koch brother with one of them even being the Vice President to the Libertarian party in 1980 (so if they somehow beat Reagan and even Carter a Koch brother would have been the Vice.
Your point being? Or, has your mind been so twisted to believe I support the Libertarians.
Ron Paul was globalist “controlled opposition”. And the Libertarian party has become the party of “weed”.
You would have to prove every single Rancher supports building the wall on their land and even if it a bunch of Hippies owning the land they don’t wanna give it is still their land and Lawsuits will occur for decades if Trump’s wall is built over it.
You do not get to tell me what to do. You are not in control here. And you obviously have shown you will not even do a minimum of research on those whom lived on the U.S. side of the U.S.-Mexican border.
For CEO’s and those who make their money in the Stock market yes for everyone else not to any real large degree. Unionization has not increased under Trump, there is no living wage adjusted for inflation etc.
Actually, while U.S. stock rose last year, the global economy lost $8 TRILLION dollars. Those CEOs and other insiders lost of lot of money last year on their globalist investments.
Meanwhile, U.S. wages of U.S. workers went up, while prices on goods, fuel, etc have gone down.
But, you are a fool on Unions. Unions are more Corporate than Corporations because Unions can do shady actions against their members that Corporations are barred by law from doing to their workers.
Goldwater was a Segregationist who promoted the rights of States to discriminate on the basis of race which 6 States in the South voted to support him (only the South despite them supposed to be Democrats) with 44 states being carried by LBJ. And when it comes to Donald Trump he was bashed endlessly and had less money yet he still won so your point is invalid (Trump had less money because no one wanted to support him at first).
You are confusing Barry Goldwater of Arizona with George C Wallace of Alabama.
Wallace was the segregationist whom ran against LBJ in the 1964 democrat presidential primaries. Wallace lost the democrat primary to LBJ and Wallace ran third party.
Meanwhile, Barry Goldwater ran on the republican presidential ticket for the 1964 election. The reason Barry Goldwater lost so badly was he had NO MONEY FOR HIS ELECTION RUN! And LBJ had the media in his pocket.
In addition, you actually believe LBJ was a champion of minorities. LBJ created the “guns and butter” political approach which democrats use to this day to destroy the nation. That being the “guns and butter” approach was LBJ increased the Military Industrial Complex while destroying the family units of countless people by convincing women to dump their husbands to go on welfare and have bastard children.
2019-01-15 at 8:27 AM#884409In reply to: Southern Border
Because it does not keep the majority of illegals out and ignores other ways into the Country, so while Pablo cannot just hop a fence anymore Rafael can just get a visa, get into the United States and then overstay that visa.
There should absolutely be additional efforts put in place to prevent/deter Visa overstays, and I’m disappointed that this aspect of illegal immigration is not discussed more often. However, I don’t see that as a reason not to have a wall. All the leaks need to be addressed, and I think the wall is a good place to start, even if it’s not the biggest leak, since it is a very symbolic leak. In a way, I see it similar to an alarm company’s sign in the front yard. It doesn’t prevent intruders by itself (at all in this case), but it does deter intruders from trying.
A Trump supporter calls Obama a bozo despite what is in office now? but let’s go on with what you are saying here, the fact is if Obozo just built a wall and left it at that, it would do jacks~~~ rather he has some of the best Security around (Ex Presidents don’t get the short hand of the stick just because they left office). With the rest skills and supplies i am willing to wager that it is possible to get over any wall as the Security is what you really have to deal with. So would you rather spend money on wall or increased Border security (Obama picked the second one and spent more then any other President and had a record for Deportations)?
So again, if Obama’s security is the real deterrent and a wall is irrelevant, then why did he put up a wall at all? I agree that a wall that isn’t monitored in anyway is pointless, but no one is saying we can put up a wall and drop all surveillance of the border. Like with Obama’s home, security agents combined with a wall is more effective than a wall or agents alone.
And why are presenting wall and security agents/tech as an either/or type situation. There is nothing stopping us from having both. There is no real budget constraints involved here as the costs are insignificant compared to the entire budget, and the cost savings from not having to support illegal immigrants once they get here more than cover the cost. Any one claiming the wall is a waste of money, but is fine with all the bloated spending of the Federal government, is kidding themselves.
One part of the overall solution I’ve heard, but is not being talked about in the media much is to start accepting/rejecting asylum claims at embassies instead of at the US Border, or in addition to. This way anyone who seeks asylum does not have to pay a coyote, risk rape and all the dangers of such a trek across several countries. They can wait in line in their own country and go home on their own without the US having to retain anyone or pay to send them back home when they are rejected. This appears to be a win win for everyone involved, but it doesn’t happen because the powers don’t want solutions, they want to continue profiting from the problem.
As far as Visa overstays, there has to be a solution. We could obviously start using trackers as we do for house arrests, but I’m sure that wouldn’t be dignified as much, and I’ve seen too many movies.
The most part, to me anyway, is that we start having real solutions to the problem as it should get the ball rolling. It’s been decades of excuses.
Ok. Then do it.
2019-01-15 at 7:48 AM#884406The president is threatened online. Secret Service agents show up and nobody is arrested.Meanwhile. . .Somewhere in the US, after a beta gets done yelling at his wife for coming home with Chad’s load running down her leg again, he sits down to drink a beer and watch television.While Pumpkin goes outside, calls 911 and says she feels scared and thinks that her beta might try to hurt her.Minutes later, multiple cop cars and a SWAT team surround the house and use a megaphone to tell beta to come out with his hands up or they are going to launch tear gas into the house.
Is this what really happens? I don’t live in the US, sounds like gestapo !
I can’t say with a 100% certainty, but it likely depends on the details of the call she made to 911. If she says it’s just emotional abuse, husband is not home right now, no children in the home, that sort of thing, then no, she’ll just get a cop or two out to the home. If she claims she was hit, but there is no weapons in the home and he’s made no additional threats of violence, I’d expect 2-3 cops coming out. If she says husband does have a weapon and is threatening to use it, gunshots have been reported, that sort of thing, then yes, SWAT team is coming out.
What is consist is pretty consistent though is that hubby/BF will be arrested on her word alone, without any supporting evidence. I’ve heard, mostly from here, that even if she is a guest in the home, he will be removed and she is allowed to stay. Although I’ve heard from local sources that that is not the case in my state of TX. If a woman claims she was abused while in my home, that doesn’t warrant my arrest, then she will be told she needs to leave my home. Even if I were to be arrested, she is not allowed to remain in a home she does not own and has not been residing in.
Ok. Then do it.
2019-01-15 at 7:35 AM#884403In reply to: Southern Border
say that in sections where a wall was built the illegal passage has dropped to nothing
Yes in populated areas this does have an effect on illegal border crossings but most Illegal immigration is done via People who overstay their visas which means they get in at legal points of entry (aka at the Border crossings or by Plane). I am fine with fencing in the well populated areas (like we have now) but i see no benefit to building the wall in the middle of nowhere (id rather have Censors and Cameras there).
Oh, so you can watch them cross illegally in high Def? The wall is not targeting people who enter legally and overstay. Smoke screen.
So how do you argue a wall will not work?
Because it does not keep the majority of illegals out and ignores other ways into the Country, so while Pablo cannot just hop a fence anymore Rafael can just get a visa, get into the United States and then overstay that visa.
A wall keeps the majority of those who cross illegally out. Its proven, not a leap of faith. Again – Visas are not the topic here.
why did Obozo just build a Uuuuge wall around his $8MM dollar mansion in DC?
A Trump supporter calls Obama a bozo despite what is in office now? but let’s go on with what you are saying here, the fact is if Obozo just built a wall and left it at that, it would do jacks~~~ rather he has some of the best Security around (Ex Presidents don’t get the short hand of the stick just because they left office). With the rest skills and supplies i am willing to wager that it is possible to get over any wall as the Security is what you really have to deal with. So would you rather spend money on wall or increased Border security (Obama picked the second one and spent more then any other President and had a record for Deportations)?
“increased border security” like oBozo did? Yeah – that was ineffective. So we had a vote and a cornerstone of the platform that won the election was building a wall. The Dems are sore losers and suffer from Trump Outrage and are against anything he stands for even when his policies are hugely effective.
2019-01-15 at 6:10 AM#884381The president is threatened online. Secret Service agents show up and nobody is arrested.Meanwhile. . .Somewhere in the US, after a beta gets done yelling at his wife for coming home with Chad’s load running down her leg again, he sits down to drink a beer and watch television.While Pumpkin goes outside, calls 911 and says she feels scared and thinks that her beta might try to hurt her.Minutes later, multiple cop cars and a SWAT team surround the house and use a megaphone to tell beta to come out with his hands up or they are going to launch tear gas into the house.
Is this what really happens? I don’t live in the US, sounds like gestapo !
To answer your question: https://theweek.com/articles/531458/troubling-rise-swat-teams
Excerpt:
SWAT team use has spiked from around 3,000 strikes per year in 1980 to as many as 80,000 raids a year now.
All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.
2019-01-14 at 11:00 PM#884345In reply to: Southern Border
say that in sections where a wall was built the illegal passage has dropped to nothing
Yes in populated areas this does have an effect on illegal border crossings but most Illegal immigration is done via People who overstay their visas which means they get in at legal points of entry (aka at the Border crossings or by Plane). I am fine with fencing in the well populated areas (like we have now) but i see no benefit to building the wall in the middle of nowhere (id rather have Censors and Cameras there).
So how do you argue a wall will not work?
Because it does not keep the majority of illegals out and ignores other ways into the Country, so while Pablo cannot just hop a fence anymore Rafael can just get a visa, get into the United States and then overstay that visa.
why did Obozo just build a Uuuuge wall around his $8MM dollar mansion in DC?
A Trump supporter calls Obama a bozo despite what is in office now? but let’s go on with what you are saying here, the fact is if Obozo just built a wall and left it at that, it would do jacks~~~ rather he has some of the best Security around (Ex Presidents don’t get the short hand of the stick just because they left office). With the rest skills and supplies i am willing to wager that it is possible to get over any wall as the Security is what you really have to deal with. So would you rather spend money on wall or increased Border security (Obama picked the second one and spent more then any other President and had a record for Deportations)?
Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.
2019-01-14 at 10:58 PM#884344Before the plan was known as Obamacare, it was known as Hillarycare.
You mean how Hillary pushed Single payer Healthcare? well the fact is the plan if it happened would not be Obamacare if it was actually Single payer as Obamacare requires Citizens to buy Health Insurance off of the market place (in the case of Obama a Private market place not even Public option) while Single payer avoids the need to buy Insurance for the majority of People (meaning all Citizens would have a right to Healthcare without going bankrupt due to the lack of Insurance.
It was so disliked by the working class that the Republicans took the House in 1994 election
I don’t know the specific situation and what the bill had in it but today Single payer is now far more popular then ever in the United States especially with the spread of the Internet. My guess (it is just a guess) is that Republicans did their typical rail campaign stating how Grandpa was going to put on death panels and they would kill your Grandpa and since the Internet was popular enough alot of People could not fact check them.
For example here is CNN arguing against Single payer Healthcare in 2018. Now why should i assume CNN was on board with it in 1992/1993 along with other News networks and Newspapers?
Which policies by President Reagan do you consider to be “treason”?
The Iran Contra affair which is an act of treason but since Republican Jesus did it you ignore it. Selling Weapons to your Nations enemies was a surefire way to get executed back in the day but Reagan and his Buddies avoided all of it (not even his Buddies which actually sold the Weapons got executed). If Ronald Reagan had sold Weapons to the Soviet Union back in 1952 he would have been executed just like the Rosenbergs were and the act is the biggest act of treason in modern America.
The “rights as workers” congressional bills you are talking about would have MANDATED ALL NON-EXECUTIVE JOBS BE UNION JOBS!
That would make it out that all Businesses have to work through a Union something which i support in the majority of cases. If all Jobs went through Unions then there would be little to no need for Minimum wage laws.
But, it is interesting how the Cuban communist revolt is your “go-to” example for a revolution.
Yes as specific Communistic revolts i find respectable and even Governments i disagree with whether still existing or no more i have respect for. Why i find evil Communist Cuba respectable? simply because what the US Government has done with Puerto Rico with continued control over it, if the bay of pigs was successful then Cuba would be another puppet State to the USA like South Korea or Puerto Rico. But Politically i am not a Communist (it would be like starting that i must have the views of Herbert Hoover if i respected Herbert Hoover).
Mexican workers will get a huge boost in wages.
Getting rid of NAFTA, implementing a living wage alongside the promotion of Unions and implementing tariffs which are higher costing to the Businesses who seek to outsource Jobs there (like the real important stuff we need like Computers, TV’s Cars etc) then it would be to make it in the United States and by making more Jobs in the green energy field to eventually get us off Fossil fuels. This will help us more then doing NAFTA but with slightly better Policies (which is still NAFTA).
“torture” connected to President Trump was an basically accusation not directly connected to
You mean like this where Trump directly states his support for Torture and beyond (Waterboarding is Torture by supporting Waterboarding Trump is supporting Torture).
I believe you are confused on this.
From what i saw it was at least stating whether he could take Military action but Trump did state he would Nuke North Korea/get into a War with them and would totally destroy North Korea (meaning Millions of Civilians would die in the process especially Children).
Every president asks that question.
Prove that to be the truth and by definition i mean a Democratically elected leader specifically in the western world (so Saddam Hussien wouldn’t count as he was considered the President of Iraq). Your statement might be the biggest bulls~~~ in the thread.
List your sources?
Here is Libertarians praising the Koch brother with one of them even being the Vice President to the Libertarian party in 1980 (so if they somehow beat Reagan and even Carter a Koch brother would have been the Vice.
Those Ranchers openly support the border wall to protect them from smugglers.
You would have to prove every single Rancher supports building the wall on their land and even if it a bunch of Hippies owning the land they don’t wanna give it is still their land and Lawsuits will occur for decades if Trump’s wall is built over it.
Wages and earnings for workers have increased under President Trump,
For CEO’s and those who make their money in the Stock market yes for everyone else not to any real large degree. Unionization has not increased under Trump, there is no living wage adjusted for inflation etc.
By the way, the reason LBJ won his election is because the establishment boycotted Goldwater’s campaign, with Goldwater not having any money to campaign on.
Goldwater was a Segregationist who promoted the rights of States to discriminate on the basis of race which 6 States in the South voted to support him (only the South despite them supposed to be Democrats) with 44 states being carried by LBJ. And when it comes to Donald Trump he was bashed endlessly and had less money yet he still won so your point is invalid (Trump had less money because no one wanted to support him at first).
Just an east coast asshole who likes to curse, If you get offended by words like fuck, cunt, shit, piss, bitch or any racial slurs then you just scroll down.
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