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One thing I’ve never understood as a MGHOW is why a good portion of MRA/MGTOW men focus so much on feminism. I do tend to think that just about any sane guy with at least one firing brain cell can see some double standards and hypocrisy in the feminist movement and rhetoric. Pointing out the double standards and bringing them to the light of day is certainly worth doing. But a consistent criticism of MGTOW, and especially the MRA movement as a whole, has been that it’s simply reactionary to feminism. I don’t think that’s completely true, but I do find that there is at least a semi-decent nugget of truth in that statement.

I’ve been to a lot of MRA/MGTOW boards and done a lot of reading. I’ve come to the conclusion that the consistent message I’ve been hearing is that “women suck”. Yes, there are some s~~~ty women out there who do s~~~ty things. Yes, feminism has taken liberalism to the extreme and put into effect some misandric laws, especially in the “family justice” system, all in the name of “social justice”. And we men are paying the price. Talking about these things should not be taboo, no matter how much feminists may want them to be. But I get thoroughly disappointed when the majority of threads I see no matter where I go have one recurring theme: “women suck, and let’s bash them”.

I think doing so detracts from the MRA movement as whole. By the sheer virtue of being MGTOW, aren’t we already stating that “modern society does not incentivize us to partner, marry, and procreate”? Isn’t the fact that we choose not to participate enough of a condemnation for the current social paradigm? For example, I refuse to shop at Wal-Mart. I don’t waste my time going online creating threads about how much Wal-Mart sucks; the simple fact I don’t patronize their business is enough. I don’t give them my money. As such, I’ve already spoken with my wallet. Again, anyone with one functioning brain cell knows that Wal-Mart can be destructive to small business and local economies. What more could there possibly be to gain by shouting to the world, “Wal-Mart sucks!”?

I would really like to see MGTOW/MRA as a whole focus on real men’s issues, such as homelessness, suicide, and unfair divorce laws. I get that a lot of us have been burned by women in the past (God knows I have), but does dwelling on that solve the problem that 80% of all homeless people are men? Does that solve the fact that the vast majority of suicides are committed by men? Does that solve the unfair divorce laws that men face today?

Nope. Not one damned bit.

If we are going are own way, why are we continually justifying why we are going our own way? “I’m going my own way because women suck”. Okay…now what? The typical response is, “That’s because you can’t get laid”. And around and around we go. Isn’t “I’m going my own way because I don’t want to be financially eviscerated in divorce” a much better argument? If a feminist attempts to argue with that, we can back that claim up with verifiable facts and data. Calmly saying, “I choose to not get married because the statistics show my marriage will likely end in divorce, causing me to be financially eviscerated and lose a great deal of access to my children”, is a fantastic statement. It doesn’t say that women suck; it simply says that we are acting in our best interests. Should a feminist get her panties in a twist about it, all we need to say is: “I’m sorry you feel that way.” And then move on.

I think this all stems from this question: “What are the goals of the MGTOW/MRA movement as a whole?” Yes, my own sovereignty is a goal, one that I think is admirable. But again, it does nothing to solve the problems that men face in the aggregate. Do we even care about the aggregate issues men face? Are they something we ought to focus on? Or are they simply statistics that we can parade out when we encounter a particularly vocal and misandric feminist? I guess my question is, what are doing about them?

I’m reminded of an Archer episode where Cyril embezzled all of ISIS’s money. He’s trying to get the money back, and he’s going through all of is “usual passwords”, such as “ArcherSucks”, and “KillArcherDie”. Pam’s inevitable response is “Hey…way to not give him the power”. And like the typical boob that he is, he takes it as a compliment and says, “Thank you!”

I feel like we’re Cyril. We’re bitching about how much women suck, all the time, ad nauseum. And by doing so, we are giving women all the power. “Just look at how much they go online bitching about us!” I get that some of us may be in relationships and may need advice from a man’s perspective. But the constant yammering of “women suck” only fuels the perception that we are “bitter, angry men who can’t get laid”. And not just to women, but to other men who might be persuaded to join our ranks.

You may argue that part of being MGTOW is not caring about how we are perceived by others. I honestly get that argument. But deep down, don’t we want more men to become MGTOW? I touched on goals earlier, and shouldn’t that be one of them? If that’s the case, then perception is definitely something we need to be concerned with. Do we want to be perceived negatively or positively?

And my final question: what are we going to do about the real issues men face today? Are we going to go online and bitch about women? Or are we going to form cogent arguments based on verifiable statistical data, change our message to one of positivity, and actually petition our legislators to do something about it?

*applause*

One of the main reasons I don’t post often, or fully identify with being MGTOW is to keep a disconnection between myself and the “group”

I don’t care if women suck. I couldn’t be bothered to think about it, much less bitch about it online.

When they are on your mind, you are giving them free rent. Just like any bully.

Concern troll is concerned.

Pretty much, Badkan

Plus the government won’t exist in 10 yrs, so doesn’t matter. What are they going to do their broke.

We don’t need government, assistance, to go are own way, do we?

I don’t care if women suck. I couldn’t be bothered to think about it, much less bitch about it online. When they are on your mind, you are giving them free rent. Just like any bully.

This right here.

We are giving them free rent in our heads. All the time, every day. That gives them power over us, because the more we bitch about women, the less we are actually doing something to solve men’s issues.

Forget about feminists and feminism. The more rational and logical our discourse, the more emotional and silly they will appear. Aren’t men supposed to be the bastion of reason and logic? I see a lot of emotion and not much reason in our discourse.

That needs to change…big time.

Its about male sovereignty, not controlling male choice.

I said nothing about controlling male choice. I simply asked this question: what are we doing about men’s issues?

The main message that I get is this: “Don’t complain, don’t criticize, don’t feel. Be a good automaton and go your own way WITHOUT saying anything.”

This is not twitter, or facebook. This is a private site, for liked minded people. You don’t like a thread, don’t post on that thread, or use couter-arguments on that thread. But don’t come here and start bitching about what we “should or shouldn’t TALK about”. If we want to bash women, we will. If you don’t want to, then don’t f~~~ing join the discussion.

Also, we CONSTANTLY talk about MEN’S ISSUES, and the only viable solution is to AVOID THE PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE (a.k.a women). You want to change the world through politics on a GYNOCENTRIC SOCIETY? Good f~~~ing luck, but don’t expect US to waste OUR time chasing Treadmills, mister Don Quioxote.

As I stated before: Concerned troll is concerned.

Plus the government won’t exist in 10 yrs[/QUOTE]

That has to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. <slow clap>

[QUOTE]We don’t need government, assistance, to go are own way, do we?

We don’t need government help to live our daily lives. What we do need are the misandric laws repealed. That’s not going to happen without getting involved in said government, because they’re not going to magically go away. If we want them gone, we have to make them go away. That requires action.

Either a Tuna or a huge mangina, same difference.