This means that if the movement’s numbers (through the red pills) doesn’t greatly expand enough to hit the critical mass necessary to effect change, it will likely just stagnate and possibly die out. Every child is born into the matrix.

I came to the site by sheer accident btw. Someone made a joke about mgtow and I’ve never seen the word, so I googled it. There seems to be a few videos on youtube here and there and these are great efforts. But imho movies are one of the best ways to go. Even very short ones. Or some viral artwork. Movies and art are the ways in which culture is transmitted. After all, it was Hollywood that first and most strongly belittles men and encourage the mindset that women are better than men. It’s Hollywood and the media that dictates that a man getting kicked in the b~~~~ by a woman is “funny”. The education and legal systems are something that’s hard to fight against, but mass media is possible if some amongst us have the skills.

There have been discussions here about whether MGTOW should perform outreach, recruiting or engage in some other active form of expansion but it seems that the general consensus is you can’t sell someone the idea of going their own way, they come to it on their own.

While I do see the potential effectiveness of having MGTOW values appear in more high profile venues such as art, film, video games, etc, I personally am concerned about issues of representation. I am not sure I care to have my personal values presented in the form of a movement which will invaribly take on a public face (celebrity MGTOW) and a stereotype (snarky geek, drama queen, stupid husband, have-it-all-wife, loner psycho MGTOW) and, ultimately, a line of custom tailored products and services… because you know you’ve “made it” when they start making vodka and vehicles aimed specifically at you (MGTinis in the MGTruck, anyone?)

No, I’m perfectly happy going my own stupid, simple way as best as I know how and being left alone and ignored. The only indulgence I partake in is to come here and dust it up with you guys. Aside from that, nobody who isn’t finding it for themselves already needs to hear from me about it.

Of course, as I’m a member of a far more obscure “organization” than this one, having only recently come across one other member, the first in over 20 years (I’m accustomed to going it alone), my views on cultural engagement are probably suspect.

That said, maybe nature will take its course and enough men and women wake up in this generation.

In the movies, it’s hypothetically possible for the resistance to stop recruiting from the matrix itself and have new members from the community itself through procreation.

If you were one of the characters in the movies and had a natural child in the real world, could you look down at your helpless infant child lying in the crib and agree to have the surgeons cut into them to insert the connections to plug them back into the matrix?  I couldn’t.  That’s why they had to recruit from within the matrix.

It’s the same with us.  The whole point is to save people from blue pill hell, not produce children to shove back into it.

Does it need to be extended? I was a MGTOW before I even heard the acronym, as long as there is other discovering this about themselves they will find their way to the community with out guidance? I don’t really see the need for making an impact.

Agreed. The whole analogy is nice for a basic concept but MGTOW is not rocket science. It doesn’t need elaborate theoretical models or philosophies. Some MGTOW like going into that realm of thinking to expand upon ideas, which is fine, but for most of us it’s unnecessary.