MGTOWRegarding the concept of "Slut Shaming" – MGTOW https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/regarding-the-concept-of-slut-shaming/feed/ Tue, 09 Jun 2020 11:14:43 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=2.5.14-6684 en-US https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/regarding-the-concept-of-slut-shaming/page/299/#post-66431 <![CDATA[Regarding the concept of "Slut Shaming"]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/regarding-the-concept-of-slut-shaming/page/299/#post-66431 Sat, 13 Jun 2015 04:30:49 +0000 ValleyFever101 I’ve been reading about this topic lately, and the whole thing is a bit mystifying.

I’m mainly libertarian about most issues, as I believe that every adult citizen has the right to make his or her own choices – as long as they follow the law and don’t violate the rights of others.  To the best of my knowledge, there is no actual law against promiscuity for either gender, as long as it’s consenting adults, etc.  Religious law may differ, of course, although I would also consider it to be a matter of personal choice to subject oneself to religious law.

Feminists have stated in no uncertain terms that they don’t see anything morally wrong with promiscuous behavior in women, and some have even worn the title “slut” as a badge of honor.  So, by their own stated principles, they see nothing wrong with being a slut and therefore feel that there’s no shame in it.

I’ve noticed that a commonly used argument is to raise the question of an alleged double standard in that promiscuous men are called “studs” or “players,” while promiscuous women are called “sluts” or “tramps.”  I don’t believe this is strictly true though, as promiscuous men can also be denigrated as “horndogs” or “poon hounds” or any other choice term.

Another argument I’ve seen is that the reason for the alleged “double standard” is because it’s far more difficult for a man to be promiscuous, since it requires much more skill (or looks or money), whereas it’s relatively easy for even an unattractive woman to be promiscuous.

Another thing that struck me related to the last argument is that, there is a distinct difference between a woman who is forward and more active in pursuing men for sexual encounters, as opposed to those who tend to be more passive about it and give in easily to the men pursuing them.

Both types may be promiscuous but in different ways, and that more active and forward women are pursuing the object of their desires, yet would probably require more finesse and social skill that “players” often pride themselves on having.

 

In contrast, the passive ones will wait for men to hit on them, while ultimately giving in to some smooth line when they probably hadn’t even planned anything themselves.  That’s one thing I’ve noticed in my own experience; it’s that sluts tend to be very passive, weak-willed, and irresponsible.  They’re also the most sensitive and duplicitous when it comes to not wanting others to think that they’re sluts – even though they are.   And they’re not ashamed of being sluts, even though they are ashamed.

 

This leads me to conclude that “slut shaming” is not criticizing women for promiscuity.  On the contrary, it seems to be related to criticisms for being passive, weak-willed, and irresponsible – just letting things happen and not taking control of one’s own life.  In that sense, there really is no “double standard” here at all.

If men can be criticized and shamed for being weak, then why can’t women?  That, to me, is what “slut shaming” boils down to.  It’s not about promiscuity, but it’s about spinelessness and a fair bit of hypocrisy.

The real irony is that most of the “slut shaming” that I’ve seen comes far more from women than men.  But their idea of a “slut” is one who is the more assertive and decisive “player” type (since they’re the greater threat), whereas they view the passive, fickle, weak, wishy-washy type of slut as being a “victim.”

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/regarding-the-concept-of-slut-shaming/#post-66441 <![CDATA[Reply To: Regarding the concept of "Slut Shaming"]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/regarding-the-concept-of-slut-shaming/#post-66441 Sat, 13 Jun 2015 04:43:33 +0000 IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) Anyone who can be shamed by a stranger, really hasn’t taken control of their own life, and has esteem and acceptance issues.  I saw some Tumblrite try to defend riots by calling complaints about riots going on as “riot shaming”.  Yes, they did that.  If you feel shame, either change your behavior or your internal value set.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/regarding-the-concept-of-slut-shaming/#post-66443 <![CDATA[Reply To: Regarding the concept of "Slut Shaming"]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/regarding-the-concept-of-slut-shaming/#post-66443 Sat, 13 Jun 2015 04:46:12 +0000

Another thing that struck me related to the last argument is that, there is a distinct difference between a woman who is forward and more active in pursuing men for sexual encounters, as opposed to those who tend to be more passive about it and give in easily to the men pursuing them.

There is a 3rd kind. The one that carries herself with subtle hints of a sexual prowess. She will say something slutty but would leave enough room to maneuver herself away if you don’t bite. She doesn’t want sex, she wants companionship, all things un-slutty. Yet the c~~~ count is second to none. She is the perpetual ‘dating the wrong type of men’. Dating … even when the dude is too busy to spare any time more than 30 mins, few times a week. ‘He just wants sex, jerk!’. These types are the scary ones.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/regarding-the-concept-of-slut-shaming/#post-66492 <![CDATA[Reply To: Regarding the concept of "Slut Shaming"]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/regarding-the-concept-of-slut-shaming/#post-66492 Sat, 13 Jun 2015 07:27:26 +0000 ILiveAgain I think it’s wonderful ☺

I can’t remember who said it but:

First they came for ‘them’ and I said nothing.

Then they came for you and I said nothing.

Now they’ve come for me and nobody said anything.

Something like that. Anyway, this is just feminism eating itself.

It used to be all girls together, burn your bra sisters.

Slowly but surely they are turning on each other. Yes the main focus is us guys … but we’re simply not enough to hate … they need more.

Stay at home moms, mra etc .. it’s lovely 😃

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/regarding-the-concept-of-slut-shaming/#post-66511 <![CDATA[Reply To: Regarding the concept of "Slut Shaming"]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/regarding-the-concept-of-slut-shaming/#post-66511 Sat, 13 Jun 2015 08:26:06 +0000 Lord Vats

This leads me to conclude that “slut shaming” is not criticizing women for promiscuity.  On the contrary, it seems to be related to criticisms for being passive, weak-willed, and irresponsible – just letting things happen and not taking control of one’s own life.  In that sense, there really is no “double standard” here at all.

A very well thought out argument. Bravo!
99% of all sluts fall into your defined “passive” category. They just spread their legs to get laid, cry rape if they regret it later, don’t want to be called sluts, and basically don’t want to be judged for being pathetic and irresponsible.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/regarding-the-concept-of-slut-shaming/#post-66563 <![CDATA[Reply To: Regarding the concept of "Slut Shaming"]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/regarding-the-concept-of-slut-shaming/#post-66563 Sat, 13 Jun 2015 10:20:45 +0000 Stargazer I make a personal distinction between “slut” and “sexually experienced female”.

a female who has had some sexual experience is just fine in my book. She should know what she likes, know how to figure out what a man likes, have some skills and not be squeamish about her body or doing things with it.

A slut, on the other hand, isn’t interested in sex so much as she is interested in approval. This kind of female f~~~s around not because she enjoys the pleasure of exploring and being explored by a new partner, but because she wants to be popular and validated.

A guy who f~~~s around because he enjoys having sex with a variety of females would not be a slut because he’s doing it as an objective, not a means to some other end. A female will f~~~ a guy or make out with a chick in a club just to boost her popularity but no guy I’ve ever heard of has had gobs of sex with a lot of females in order to become popular. I don’t think that’s ever happened in the history of mankind… thus men are not sluts.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/regarding-the-concept-of-slut-shaming/#post-66583 <![CDATA[Reply To: Regarding the concept of "Slut Shaming"]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/regarding-the-concept-of-slut-shaming/#post-66583 Sat, 13 Jun 2015 11:24:17 +0000 If I were to put on a white sheet and hood and walk through a black neighborhood I would get beaten because I would be dressed as a KKK member. That way of dressing has a meaning and even if I am not a KKK member I am certainly sending out a message.

If a woman is dressed in skimpy clothing although she may not be a slut or have slutty intentions she is sending out a message all the same. I am not saying she should be raped or deserves that just to be clear. But I do think the idea behind these Anti Slut Shaming rallies is a confused one.

Or is it? There is also a push to de-sexualize female breasts, is the idea to tun everyone asexual? Makes me wonder and I find myself back on the NWO theory of culling the number of humans on the planet with declining birth rates.

 

 

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/regarding-the-concept-of-slut-shaming/#post-66593 <![CDATA[Reply To: Regarding the concept of "Slut Shaming"]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/regarding-the-concept-of-slut-shaming/#post-66593 Sat, 13 Jun 2015 12:11:51 +0000 RoyDal Even alpha male athletes will resort to shaming if the can’t intimidate you into submission. It happened to me when as a freshman. I lived in a dorm full of jocks. I was unafraid, which irritated them by itself. I openly defied them, even smart mouthed them on occasion, which angered them. (Don’t try this at home folks. I spent my high school years lifting weights and taking jiu-jitsu lessons)

So, they resorted to shaming. One of them asked if I was a virgin. I allowed that I was not. (I was younger and even more foolish then.) They immediately said I was lying, laughed me down, in general resorted to verbal bullying. They grew quiet when I asked them why they were so interested in my sexual orientation … There was a pause for silence and then the conversation moved to safer ground. (Looking back, I realize I had used verbal jiu-jitsu, and turned their attack against itself.)

Maybe I should have taken a cue from Der Terminator himself:

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/regarding-the-concept-of-slut-shaming/#post-66597 <![CDATA[Reply To: Regarding the concept of "Slut Shaming"]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/regarding-the-concept-of-slut-shaming/#post-66597 Sat, 13 Jun 2015 12:19:40 +0000 Beer

I’m mainly libertarian about most issues, as I believe that every adult citizen has the right to make his or her own choices – as long as they follow the law and don’t violate the rights of others. To the best of my knowledge, there is no actual law against promiscuity for either gender, as long as it’s consenting adults, etc.

I consider myself mainly a libertarian as well…but with some issues I still feel that just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.  People are free to be as slutty as they want, but I think to do that and expect to never be judged for it is stupid.  I’m not out publicly shaming sluts or promiscuous behavior, but at the same time I think its in my best interest to not get involved with sluts.

As with most social issues I don’t necessarily agree with…I’m willing to tolerate it, but I don’t have to accept it or celebrate it.

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https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/regarding-the-concept-of-slut-shaming/#post-66670 <![CDATA[Reply To: Regarding the concept of "Slut Shaming"]]> https://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/regarding-the-concept-of-slut-shaming/#post-66670 Sat, 13 Jun 2015 15:58:20 +0000

Even alpha male athletes will resort to shaming if the can’t intimidate you into submission. It happened to me when as a freshman. I lived in a dorm full of jocks. I was unafraid, which irritated them by itself. I openly defied them, even smart mouthed them on occasion, which angered them. (Don’t try this at home folks. I spent my high school years lifting weights and taking jiu-jitsu lessons) So, they resorted to shaming. One of them asked if I was a virgin. I allowed that I was not. (I was younger and even more foolish then.) They immediately said I was lying, laughed me down, in general resorted to verbal bullying. They grew quiet when I asked them why they were so interested in my sexual orientation … There was a pause for silence and then the conversation moved to safer ground. (Looking back, I realize I had used verbal jiu-jitsu, and turned their attack against itself.) Maybe I should have taken a cue from Der Terminator himself: <iframe src=”https://www.youtube.com/embed/LUZgPfdkWis?feature=oembed” width=”500″ height=”375″ frameborder=”0″ allowfullscreen=””></iframe>

 

I used to cop the same s~~~ in high school, my mate and I would hang with the girls a lot as we liked girls and quite often they were the 17 & 18 year olds who had the womanly bodies (we were 15 at the time) anyway the guys would call us gay as they ran off the to the field to chase each other while playing ball.

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