Reflection On a Comment by Nonconformist

[AwakenedParticipant 35210]

“I don’t want money to be the foundation for a relationsship hence no girlfriend;-)” -Nonconformist

The above comment was posted yesterday by nonconformist, and it stuck with me. After some reflection, I wanted to share some personal thoughts about the topic.

It’s really no surprise to anyone on this site that men and women have completely different ideas, thoughts, and expectations from the opposite sex. It’s kind of like we’re talking completely different languages, but we’re using the same words that have very different definitions/meaning between men and women. The whole process of “communication” is really more aptly described as “miscommunication”, and this is how we’re supposed to start and maintain a “successful” relationship, or so the “professionals’ say. “Communication is so important, blah, blah, puke, puke, “. Thank you Oprah again for more WRONG useless info.

The whole idea of “relationships” is just such a fruitless tiring process once you have been exposed/experienced the truth. It’s so much work, energy, effort, finances, time etc. to entertain a relationship so you may share some form of “happiness” that will quite often eventually lead to a disastrous outcome. I really don’t know how or why men can continue with this charade to the point of multiple marriages/divorces.

Anyways, If you look at the above comment by nonconformist, “I don’t want money to be the foundation of a relationship….”, this statement points out that what we want as a foundation to a relationship (IE: attractiveness, emotional attachment , etc.) , and what women want (IE: Finances, Utility, etc.)are COMPLETELY different from BEFORE we ever meet our “intended”. How can any man even think that a relationship between a man and women can be successful in the long term when you are both starting out with such very different wants, needs, and requirements; different “foundations” if you will ? I will point out that these “differences” are NOT complementary.

None of this is new, but for me, sometimes by connecting a few of the dots, or just reconnecting some of the dots, and by sharing my thoughts/insights completes a little bit more of the picture, or at least appears to make it a little clearer. To me, “Clarity” is crucial to truly understanding how to change my thinking and control my behavior.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[Anonymous 42]

Awakened wrote:

different “foundations” if you will ?

Talk about leaving a comment? That hits the spot!

Different foundations, for eons men were the “foundation” of the family and women.

After women built their own “foundations” using the power of “law”, there’s now “two foundations”.

Their foundation is every ill in the book! We see this in the form of the modern gynogovermental single mother family funded by governmental matrimony under a marriage contract, or just arbitrary funding of any woman that gets pregnant and has a bastard child.

With every relationship between a man and a woman the man risks imprisonment if hit by bad luck.

The woman risks nothing and either way gets a free lift.

Man’s foundation in the family has been pulverized to dust!

The only foundations to weather this storm are MGTOW foundations built on a solitary rock.

No other foundation is safe to build your life’s house upon. There is no choice when you make in informed logical decision. It’s MGTOW or dust!

[Point Of No ReturnParticipant 4074]

Awakened wrote:

I will point out that these “differences” are NOT complementary.

That is a very important observation. Makes you wonder if the gals even realise that there is hardly any fundamental compatibility to begin with. Complementary in one aspect perhaps; yes those two organs seem to fit each other quite nicely in fact.

Know when it is your duty to give them zero explanations for your actions.

[Anonymous 5]

“Anti-social behavior is a trait of intelligence in a world full of conformists.”

~Nikola Tesla~

I’m antisocial to the core, and honestly, I like it that way. I believe I have social anxiety, I can’t be around people, maybe that’s why I don’t have any friends. So, dating is out of the question for me. I don’t even want a girlfriend, because honestly, I don’t even believe in love. To me, having a girlfriend is useless, and in my humble opinion, pathetic. Of course she “loves” you, that cedes looks expensive, broski. I refuse to live a lie, women will never love you, you’re just a walking ATM for them, and will tell you to go f~~~ yourself the moment you go broke.

Thank you, I like spending money on nice things, for myself.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Too often, we have heard the expression “men only want one thing”. This declaration always irritated me underneath, because where do all those balloons, teddybears , stupid Valentine’s cards, rings, outrageous and grandiose proposals come from? So always I knew it was crap.

They say it like it’s a BAD thing: “men only want one thing”.

But what are the other options?. For a man to want a f~~~-hundred things from a woman he doesn’t even know? (like women do?) Or to want nothing from her at all?!!

So I concluded that “one thing” is biological destiny. He’s SUPPOSED to want that “one thing”. He is designed that way, and if he wants anything else, it’s definitely going to be up to HER.

Before he knows anything about her, “men only want one thing” is a GOOD thing.

Awakened wrote:

COMPLETELY different … BEFORE we ever meet our “intended”.

Women frequently clasp their hands together and want a million goddam things from a man they haven’t even MET yet. You know that classic laundry list. I believe a member posted an example with 135 insane demands on it. Truly, like she was ordering a pizza. “I’m ready to get married now! Where is he??”

The difference is: those million things women are after are things a man assumes to get for HIMSELF. He doesn’t hold his hand out for that s~~~ from someone ELSE – including personal happiness and an expectation that someone else will be responsible for all of it.

Awakened wrote:

I will point out that these “differences” are NOT complementary.

No they certainly are not.

I watched “Jerry Maquire” recently after some 20 years since I saw it. Watching it with red pill lenses on is baffling. Holy s~~~ that movie is drenched with feminist rhetoric & propaganda.

• “Men are the enemy”.
• The implications of dating a single mother.
• Kelly Preston punches him in the face when he realizes something is missing in their relationship and he wants to call it off. Then she says he “can’t handle a strong woman”.
• The disapproving older sister and her stupid “warnings”.
• Woman sitting around in a “women’s group” talking about a guy who LIKES HER AND WANTS TO BE WITH HER as some kind of a “stalker”.

“Stalker”.

I have been called that for once looking up a woman’s address and sending her flowers(!) because she was devastated over her father having a sudden heart attack on thanksgiving weekend. And I’m a “STALKER”.

You can’t – can’t – have a “successful relationship” with women who run around with this kind of toxic s~~~ in their heads. Forget a “relationship”. When I was called a “stalker” for sending a woman flowers (2006), I decided it was the very last time any woman will get flowers from me. Not only is the cultural general female attitude combative and not-complimentary. It’s a goddam insult.

Jerry Maquire was considered a “romance” in 1997, but that’s when social dynamics really started to tank. He walks into a women’s group discussion seconds after she says “men are the enemy”….. and throws himself down with that “you complete me” monkeys~~~ – like he’s not even a whole person without her.

You had me at “hell, no”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 25]

Or maybe the foundation of a relationship could be working together to make both person’s lives better, to help each other achieve each other’s goals, putting both people’s needs as a priority and finding compromise, balance and win/win outcomes.

Nah… feminists and women will never go for it… no Government funding in that if they don’t get to be the victim.

It’s not possible to relate to crazy. Until women grow up and mature, there’s no relating to them. The only relating they need is to a qualified mental health professional:

And there’s no point even trying to build that foundation in a corrupt gynocentric system that will throw a man out of the house on false accusations and take all his money and give it to the female.

[TwistParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

“STALKER”.

Me too. But different.

I’ve related prior about my daughters being alienated from me – having me desperate for some insight regarding their lives.

So – googling around, I find daughter #2 has posted a school project on Youtube, done in the foreign language she was studying.

I text her “saw your video on line, thought it was Great! But, since I don’t speak that language, maybe you could translate it for me?”

(My intent being to say “good job” and then leave an opening for her to contact me -fingers crossed….)

I got a response “Stop stalking me”

Damn did that one sting.

They learn young.

[narwhalParticipant]

Awakened wrote:

How can any man even think that a relationship between a man and women can be successful in the long term when you are both starting out with such very different wants, needs, and requirements; different “foundations” if you will ? I will point out that these “differences” are NOT complementary.

If you think of why men and women had relationships way in the past, you can clearly see how the foundations were complimentary.

Men wanted…
– Loyalty, thus the creation of marriage (now, marriage has no effect on loyalty whatsoever)
– Companionship, again why there is marriage. (again, marriage rarely provides good companionship)
– Low level service…no where near what was required of slaves and hired help. (Marriage no longer provides that for the man, but requires him to serve his wife)
– Regular, reliable, and safe sex, again….marriage (marriage now guarantees you will never have regular sex again. You get more outside of marriage)
– Assurance that offspring would have their genes, have access to them, and carry on their legacy. (Marriage now gives no assurance whatsoever)

Notice how everything a man from a woman was through marriage…why we created it in the first place.

What women wanted was…
– protection. (was marriage, now government)
– resources . (available through government, marriage, and post marriage)
– sex (was marriage, now marriage completely irrelevant)
– children (marriage completely irrelevant)
– leadership (women are now convinced they don’t need this)

All things women used to get through marriage.

What men and women use to desire from each other were compatible under the institution of marriage. Feminism f~~~ed it up to hell and gave women all they wanted without marriage (or with marriage just a temporary tool) while stripping away every reason a man would want to get married for.

As aside note, given that it is undeniable that men were dominate historically speaking, it obvious that men invented the institution of marriage. Now, men want nothing to do with the corrupted version we currently have.

Ok. Then do it.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Anonymous wrote:

And there’s no point even trying to build that foundation in a corrupt gynocentric system that will throw a man out of the house on false accusations and take all his money and give it to the female.

Women havelost their ability to bond with men in any meaningful way. How many “relationships” felt like some kind of competition?

Here is a perfect example. Now post-wall and realized for the last +15 years she’s been watching too much Jerry Maquire and SexAndTheCity, reading too many fashion magazines, and listening to her feministed sisters. Listen to the way she talks about “you always hear…. men X “ and “I always thought”. She approached her relationship(s) as if she is dating “men” out there — instead of the ONE man she is in a relationship with. Mind-blowing.

Guess what this video was called before she changed the title . . . . .
“Feminism ruined my dating life”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Twist wrote:

“Stop stalking me”. They learn young.

To a woman who uses that word to try and lower her status to the level of a Kardashian….. I would now say “only famous celebritards have “stalkers” and nobody wants to see you that badly, so get over yourself. You’re not all that.”.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 42]

Anonymous wrote:

Or maybe the foundation of a relationship could be working together to make both person’s lives better, to help each other achieve each other’s goals, putting both people’s needs as a priority and finding compromise, balance and win/win outcomes.

Thanks Machiavelli, before I could finish reading— I barfed in my mouth!

We’ve all put out the welcome mat to only have it s~~~ on. keeping the mat clean is job 1!

Twist wrote:

(My intent being to say “good job” and then leave an opening for her to contact me -fingers crossed….)

I got a response “Stop stalking me”

Damn did that one sting.

They learn young.

WTF! Glad I’m not chasing a family that doesn’t exist! Talk about heartless! Then in years to come she’s convince herself you ABANDONED HER! Again you’re the VILLEIN and she’s the VICTIM. FKN UNREAL!

narwhal wrote:

What men and women use to desire from each other were compatible under the institution of marriage. Feminism f~~~ed it up to hell and gave women all they wanted without marriage (or with marriage just a temporary tool) while stripping away every reason a man would want to get married for.

Not only do we not want to marry them, in our right minds we don’t even want to be involved with them! Any interaction at all carries far to great a risk! I don’t want to get seriously burned!

Keymaster wrote:

How many “relationships” felt like some kind of competition?

KM, I’m shunning an in-law that personifies EXACTLY THAT! Followed by stone cold heartless undeserved innuendos, I torched that bridge last week because she has a toxic effect on my happiness and now earned the garbage dump! It’s been a long time coming and started long before I came to these forums. She makes me feel like Robin Williams; She’s toxic poison to my spirit and must be left alone! Family doesn’t mean f~~~ing s~~~ to me any more!

Thanks feminism, f~~~ off and die in your own slimy scum!

I’m having a living will done so they get ABSOLUTELY F~~~ING NONE! Part of “TAKE AWAY EVERYTHING” on top of “GIVE THEM NOTHING”! Signed, sealed, and shoved up their ass! That’s how not to end up like Robin Williams! Just drop a f~~~ing bomb!

[TwistParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Glad I’m not chasing a family that doesn’t exist!

And if in a moment of weakness you find yourself in such a chase – just call me. I’ll have the 2buh4 handy, brother.

[Anonymous 42]

Twist wrote:

And if in a moment of weakness you find yourself in such a chase – just call me. I’ll have the 2buh4 handy, brother.

With nine inch nails driven through it? Please?

That^^^^ would work well with a re-tractor switch for quick exit and reload! WACK WACK WACK WACK, who wants it next?

[bladeParticipant]

My daughters only like step chad for cash other wise they hate the c~~~ . Female nature working for me . Lol .

I feal for ya twist . Been two years since i have seen youngest and got both my daughters for two weeks .
Been where you are brother . Keep faith because things do change . Kids of today are changing with kids wanting to find dad . Hearing alot of this of late . Keep faith brother .

Ps It is these c~~~ mothers fault not the children . Children are victims of feminism too

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[TwistParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

With nine inch nails driven through it? Please?

I think that is exactly what was pulled through my ass.

With a twist midway.

[Anonymous 42]

Twist wrote:

MG-ɹǝʍoʇ wrote:

With nine inch nails driven through it? Please?

I think that is exactly what was pulled through my ass.

With a twist midway.

LOL! Is that why you call yourself twist? You’re being modest, who you really are is “bloody twist”…

[TwistParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

LOL! Is that why you call yourself twist?

Could well have been, but no.

The Twist was that I got the same treatment as so many brothers, but her mount of self-actualization was another tuna.

I just hope for a good seat watching God sort them all out.

[Anonymous 42]

Twist wrote:

I just hope for a good seat watching God sort them all out.

He sorted me out, now I just stay out!

[SKYRULEParticipant 9]

This link landed on my fb page. I just wanted to share this. I going to participate. https://www.facebook.com/events/1710114259235858/

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Twist wrote:

I just hope for a good seat watching God sort them all out.

We as MGTOW are already in the front row…

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