So anyway, my friend, (who we’ll call Matt), looks at the screen for a few seconds and says “Why are you reading that junk?”.

I reply to him “This is not junk. Its just what happens in the real world”, to which he replies, “But think about it, if you read that stuff constantly, then that’s all you’ll marriage is!”

I then tell him, “No, I just want a realistic view of it, esp. when the marriage stats are the way they are” (I then lay out the stats, 6 out 7 marriages end in divorce, etc). “So basically, it doesn’t matter what I think, it matters what really happens.”

Now he doesn’t have anything to say since I put the stats down, which takes “me” out of the equation. So he leaves it at that.

Another instance is when we were at a youth retreat, and he complimented a girls hair, saying “Amy, your hair looks really nice today”. She then says “And my hair didn’t look good all the other days?”

Now at this point I would have said “I’m sorry for complimenting you! I’ll be sure not to do it again in the near future.” But Matt however, tries to backtrack, stumbling over his words, etc. And she says “I’ll teach you how to “properly” compliment a women”. She then goes though all this drawn out s~~~ I didn’t pay attention to. What I was paying attention to however, was the fact that my best friend just got strung along in front of my face. That bothered me so much.

So I get home, and I talk to my mom about it. Turns out she’s just a f~~~ing retard.

I tell her of the “compliment incident”, and she completely agrees with all the bulls~~~ Amy presented, and saw nothing wrong with what she did. My moms that way anyway. I’m not telling her this because I want her advice, I’m telling her this to see her reaction.

I then tell her of the “Divorce Screen Incident”, and she’s completely turns the conversation around, talking about something that is totally not related to the conversation. Somehow, we got off on the track talking about that suicide rates for men are 4-7 times higher than women, and increasing.

She says “They are weak willed men, who act like women”

I see that fact that she’s using the manhood shaming tactic there, so I respond “Men have ALWAYS suicided at higher rates than women throughout history”. More stats.

She says “More and more men are not fulfilling their true purpose.”

“What is that?”, I ask.

“To get married, take care of a wife, and have kids.” she says.

So that’s the kicker. The whole real reason for this conversation upturning, which was turned into a sort of argument. The only thing is, when me and my buddies disagree on something, we can debate in normal voices, using a logical argument.

So the basis for her argument  was that a mans self worth is based on a woman and society, and if he does not fulfill their obligations, he kills himself. That is just SO close-minded. Goddamn.

When she and I disagree on something, she has to raise her voice and steer the conversation off track, and start using the shaming/argument tactics mentioned here: http://www.mgtow.com/shaming-tactics/

Amazing. She followed it to the very letter.

She then says “Women are NOT supposed to work. Can they? Yes. Do they have an ability to? Sure! But should they? No. And why not? Because the MANS purpose is to take care of them.”

I leave it at that. I am so glad I swallowed the red pill to become a MGTOW.

Also in many companies they are pressured to fill a quota. That means even if men are more qualified for the job he is less likely to get it.

I don’t suggest you go to college this year there might be a depression starting this year. This will make the 2008 recession look like nothing.

Is she still married?  If she got a divorce, I’d ask her why.

Whats funny is that right after she says “Woman are not supposed to work AT ALL”, she says “A woman’s job is to support the family”.

I ask “How do they support a family without working? I do get some physical jobs that they just are not physically strong enough for, but they do have the same mental capacity (AHEM). So they can get a desk job then!”

She then said the spill about them having the ability to work, but should not. She completely avoided my question, “How does one support a family without working?”

And what is work to begin with? Wiping your ass is work, but you do it because its needed!

I find out we get $1500 a month through the social security I get. That’s not enough for s~~~, except rent and food. So starting in a couple weeks, I’m getting a full time job, but I’m going to throttle the amount she gets from me. I’m doing this to support my family, but f~~~, if she doesn’t have the sense to get a job when she has a minor son to support, what the f~~~ is she going to do with excess money?

I tell her some of what I’ll be saving for when I get my job. I say “I’ll save up $500 to buy ______”. She says (as expected), “What do you need $500 for?” and then “You shouldn’t spend that much/it doesn’t take that much money to buy that”.

Yep.

You’re already at a point much farther than me when I was 17. My Dad wasn’t around either and I had to support my mother and sister financially, you know step up and be the man and all. It’s a big pressure for a young man to have to face.

Venting on here will help release some of that pressure and the other guys will be along to give you their view and experience on things too.

See if there is an older male around you that you could talk to in real life also? An uncle, a school teacher, some older guys at the gym, a pastor or somebody in your community with a level head.  You seem like a wise young man but you will need some support now and again. We all do.

Looking forward to having your input on here.

In regard to your mom, she will say those things because she is a woman, and that’s how they think.

I agree with Progenitor – find some older men to speak with for support. Both in your day-to-day environment and here.