To be honest I’m not currently part of this community but I am looking around for information, I don’t like commenting and so forth on a group of people unless I’ve done my homework, plus not knowing things drives me crazy.

I’m currently looking for information on certain topics, well questions I have. I don’t expect people to answer here (though if you do it would be appreciated), but maybe if you could point me in a direction that would be great. So here goes..

1) How are MGTOW different from MRA’s if at all?

2) What about women as friends, are they some how excluded?

3) What about gay male MGTOW?

4) What do you really believe and why?

I’m not spoiling for a fight over this (I know how controversial the whole thing can get) but I’m up for debate. Either here, on my channel (as small as it is) and so forth.

Thanks in advance!

1) How are MGTOW different from MRA’s if at all?

Men’s Rights Activist. Different from a MGHOW, an MRA actively strives to reverse the grossly unfair anti-male bias in the divorce and family court system. Where a woman can legally drop all of her parental responsibilities off and her unwanted baby at the local firestation with no consequences and no questions asked (i.e Roe vs. Wade), there are men in prison – right now – who have been ordered to pay child support for children that are not theirs. MRAs seek to restore an equilibrium in the tragically skewed Western legal system where women have (and want) 100% “choice”, but fail to accept (and don’t want) 100% responsibility.

MGTOW exercise assume their own rights , govern themselves, and negotiate with nobody.

What about women as friends, are they some how excluded?

Women have no comprehension of “friendship”. They will go shopping wither their “BFF” (best friend forever) and stab her in the back when she’s not looking. Even a 5 year old boy understands this about girls.

“She’s so rude. I hate her. She SO ugly….. but she’s my best friend”.

More on this with varying opinions here:

http://www.mgtow.com/forums/topic/can-mgtow-man-ever-be-close-friends-with-a-women-is-that-even-possible/

What about gay male MGTOW?

You can search the forums for that.

What do you really believe and why?

MGTOW is not a “belief system”. It’s an individual lifestyle choice grounded in reality.

So likewise, if I observe the moon and notice “the moon has no atmosphere” and I say it out loud… it doesn’t mean I don’t like the moon. I am observing it for what it really is. Nobody is required to “like” women as a group. It would be silly, unrealistic and impossible to “dislike women” (as an entire sex) just as it would be to love and adore them all.

I’m here to learn first hand rather than passing judgement without knowing anything, that’s all.

1) How are MGTOW different from MRA’s if at all?

I can’t improve upon the answer previously given by KeyMaster.

alternative_roo wrote:

2) What about women as friends, are they some how excluded?

I have a GF and some female friends. While some MGTOW believe you can’t even have women as “friends” due to their biological hypergamy and social programming of current western media, I believe you can, to a degree. This is the beauty of MGTOW. There is NOT a dogma set to control your life. It is not a cult, it is not a religion, it is a mental state of existence that supersedes these definitions of ideologies.

I’ve come to realize the real reason for religion was to reign in women. This GF of mine is incredibly religious, I find that a strong religious conviction on traditionalist values helps level out the hypergamy of women. Severely lessens the c~~~ carousel and generally makes them more desirable as a GF.

Shes traditional, also wants a big family and has a career.

However, I have no intention of marrying her, and she knows this, she accepts it. I’ve explained all the reasons for not wanting to marry, she agrees with my viewpoints and understands how it is not advantageous for me at all.

alternative_roo wrote:

3) What about gay male MGTOW?

Gay men… are still men. They’ve definitely gone their own way. There may be a time where they too don’t look at marriage as advantageous, but at the moment they’re still fighting for that establishment. MGTOW is really avoidance of marriage due to gender inequality in today’s society. Since gay and lesbian are the same gender, while perfectly capable of understanding the need for MGTOW, they will have little to zero incentive to get behind this way of life.

Conversely, I have no stake in gay marriage. So while I don’t have a problem with it, it’s not my fight and I don’t actively push for it. (Unless straight up asked, yes I believe gay/lesbian should be able to get married. I don’t think “christianity” owns the domain of marriage exclusively, that’s just silly.)

The problem arises when gay/lesbian couples seek to get married in Churches that actively discourage or condemn such activity. The Churches are protected by “Freedom of Religion” to not be set upon in a manner that would betray their religious practices. That is… afterall… the main reason this country exists, escape of religious persecution. So if a gay/lesbian is bullying a church to get married, that to me is no different than a church harassing a gay/lesbian couple. Both are in the wrong.

Gays/lesbians should work on getting acknowledged by the government, then start their own “Church”. The beauty of this country is there is nothing to stop them from using the “Bible” if they so wish, and just tossing out the parts they don’t like. It’s still religion. It’s still protected as a freedom. This may be the pathway the will inevitably push down. Which I maintain is the right course of action.  (I rambled but just had to say that.)

alternative_roo wrote:

4) What do you really believe and why?

KeyMaster answered this best.

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I believe marriage is a waste of money and resources. I still peruse relationships (currently in a relationship with a girl who could be considered as friends with benefits) but I do not want to live with a woman, my own personal space is a necessity. The legal system is indeed rigged in favor of women but I am not an activist trying to change how things work , I adapt to the system so that I make decisions that better serve my interest (ie: not getting married).

Still am friend with some girls but the friendship is limited to what we have in common ; party, dancing, swimming and other such activities that I like. Women are strong and independent right? I treat them as such. If a girl asks me to pay for her stuff, its an instant red light. No go, aboard mission, then I delete her friendship folder in my brain because my friends have their s~~~ together and do not need my help to support themselves. I am not interested in people who mooch as a living, men and women alike.

Believe it or not, I want equality and I believe everyone to be equal. I treat people equally too and when a girl makes demands or s~~~ test me, I tell myself ; what would I do or say if this person was a man? and than I act accordingly.

I go my own way mainly because my dad was denied sex in his marriage for over 25 years , I cannot accept that in my life. I am getting what I want when I want it and no one is going to hold me back with some stupid contract.

The reason why I ask about gay men in MGTOW (community is the best word?) is that I am gay. I supported gay marriage because I wanted to same legal advantages as a straight couple, that is all.

With women? Well I’m friends with anyone regardless of gender or anything like that, as long as we have enough things in common (or can chat about the stuff we don’t. Heck I’m a vegan and I have friends who are hunters).