I had a bad marriage, but I got an amazing baby girl from it, so in the end it was all worth it. She’s 7 yo now and I have joint custody and see her every weekend. My hot ex found other suckers right away and now is remarried, so she’s not bitter which makes it all bearable. We got divorced on my terms, so I there’s no alimony and  minimum child support.

I understand that marriage power is all skewed towards women, but how are we going to proliferate our gene pool without having kids? Continuation of the genetic and other lineage should be on top of the list for every male or human being in general. By refusing to have kids you are giving up on your future pretty much – something I don’t understand.

Women are bitches. You can’t live with them, but you can’t procreate without them.

Discuss

Most of us have nothing against children.  We do not hate women.  We are just tired of the political and social rules that steps on us in order to raise them on a pedestal just because they have a vagina.

Most of us do not want kids not because we hate them, but because women know that the political and social environment will allow them to use them as weapons against us.

We accept who we are and know who women are.  We just don’t want to play the game because we know the rules are against us.

What are you doing to make sure your daughter does not come out like your wife.

This is a great question!

I am trying to instill a sense of unconditional love; showcase the role of a real man in a modern society; steer her away from the entitlement mindset and materialism in general; develop her spiritually; explain all the marketing tricks she sees on TV…
Her mom’s mom is on her fifth marriage, so you can only imagine what could have become of her if I wasn’t there. I am trying to be a role model for her, help her understand respect and teamwork, all of those things.

Basically I am trying to steer her away from all the Disney/Barbie bulls~~~ conditioning, so she could grow up to be a real woman and not a manipulative liar princess she would become if I wasn’t around.

Its pretty obvious who wants her to do something with her life.  She was involved in extra-curricular activities when I was in the home, and now that I’m not, all that has stopped.  Its not hard to figure out what changed in the equation that’s put her on the sidelines.  Its funny, looking at it now, that she’s actually understanding my situation as a divorced dad, and how unfair it is on me.  She’s said as much, and she’s a very smart kid who sees the inequality of the system, and I think its going to have a lasting impression on her.

What are you doing to make sure your daughter does not come out like your wife.

This is a great point actually. Since you “only” see your child 2/7 of the week, who will have more of an influence on her education? It is more likely, that it’s your ex. And women will simply use this against you, your ex has more than 3 times more opportunities to influence your child or telling her lies about you. I don’t know how the other MGTOW’s see this, but for me, it’s not that important to proliferate my genepool.

What does it matter, if your child has your genes, but has a completely different view of things because she was influenced by your ex? It doesn’t have to be necessarily like that, though. But: Isn’t that like giving up on your future, as well?

I agree that there is a lot of hate against woman and sometimes children going on in the MGTOW community and that is something we need to work on. If we want to be taken seriously we need to bring forth valid critic not spew hate.

I wish to have children one day but not on the terms set up by the society – where I only provide by working and not nurturing by being there for my kid. I used to blame my dad for not being part of my life growing up, our relationship today is great and I realize he wanted to play a much bigger than the rules of society let him.

Because of my situation, there is no chance in hell I can support a kid and it would be unfair of me to have one. Also, I simply don’t like them. I feel awkward around them as in…I have nothing in common with them and think they are dumb…lol. I am an introvert and can’t pretend to be happy around things I don’t enjoy. I am not the type of person who can small talk/pretend to be interested in kids doing a cannon ball into a pool. I would be like….”good for you…don’t care, leave me alone”. Thankfully I refuse to have kids, so this will never be a problem. 🙂