after reading here quietly every once in a while for a few weeks now, finally I feel like engaging in discussions. So before I do so I’d like to introduce myself.

I’m a 36 years old German. I studied economics and computer science, and have been working as an IT-consultant ever since. Having lived abrought in the US and Latin America as well as having backpacked throughout SE-Asia, I have gotten some cultural understanding – also about women and relationships. Wherever I went, I did get envolved with women. At the beginning, my interactions were driven by instinct, later I built my own theories which I built on what I like to call “evolutionary psychology”. Basically I ended up with a lot of theories that are basis of “games-theories” which PUAs use.

Still I kept dating girls in the form of fixed relationships, which I found the most comfortable way for me. Also from an emotional point of view. At this point I have to add, that from my 10 months stay during highschool times plus my ongoing contacts with my old mates I got the feeling, that women are slightly more bitchy in the US and Canada, and also jurisdiction seems to be less favorable for men. When I read through the posts here, people rather expect to be sued for rape and whatnot, for no reason, which is something that would create quite some outrage in my home country.

For example: When a man gets devorced he cannot be forced to pay for his wife as easy any more. He will have to be forced to py child support though. Prostiution is legal in Germany as is known. This really makes sex a way smaller deal. There is no reason to make a clown out of oneselve in a bar buying drinks to some chick who will then take her golden vagina home with herself. Men can just pay their 50-100 bucks and buy their sex somewhere else.

Also in German culture it’s part of the culture, that women pay their own way. At least many women do it, and they do it with pride. When I get to know women, I pay for dinner, but when they repeatedly don’t pay in return, I either call em on that behavior, if I like them, if not – which is more frequently the case, I just let em go. Still women everywhere have tendencies to tie to men. I have found that women get exploited by their children, while women exploit their man. It’s just like a tomatoe plant that dies in fall while pushing her last ressources into the ripening tomatoe. That’s nature.

Personally I ended my last relationship with a german / Russian woman mix. She was cooking dinner for me washed my cloths. She dressed sexy, she was doing many of those things that some MGTOWs here require. But then she gave her best to take over all of my life. She put pressure on me to join every singe family party of hers. People would continue to speak russian there so it was boring to me. Also she would be more then distracted by her nephew and niece while we were there. So she would kiss those disgusting bugger-noses instead of me. Unfortunately I gave in to joining those events for too long. The reason was that they were really interesting and thus enjoyable to me in the beginning. Through women I have gotten many deep insights into foreign societies in the past. Finally I resisted letting her rule my life any more, told her I never ever want a kid from her, and after that she left me.

What really struck me, was that all those Russian-German men were total family slaves. Her father had gone to the basement, hanging out in the garage in his spare time, while her mother reigned the living room. But it was him who brought twice the wage home as his wife.

Her brother married the worst bitch while I was with her. She had gotten impregnated after 3 months of relationship. That was after he had lost half of his belongings to his ex wife. Still he married this even worse one. Really creepy to me is the fact that my ex said: “he needs that. He likes to be the provider to feel important. While her brothers fat bitch once tried to shame me for not willing to support my lazy girlfriend financially “you just don’t want to take responsibility”.

Her sister has 2 kids. That womans husband works in a lower management position at a great German automotive  manufacturer, and makes good money. She didn’t work for years after giving birth to her kids, always blaming him that she had given up her “career” for her family. A career that she had never really started anyways.

The experience of her being so captative to me really got me stop wanting another relationship for now. So I spent the winter working while digesting the pain of getting away from her. Recently I spend my time reading MGTOW and relationship related things, which helps me sort my thoughts. Besides that I follow my own passions. Already 2 years ago I had quit my old job, making me a less interesting as a provider. I now earn exactly enough for my own needs. My garden and the lil (crappy) house is payed off, so is my old rusty car. I only work less than half of the year working as a freelancer for money. The rest of the year I work on that lil house repair the car by myself, or push my garden towards self sufficiency. If I feel like it, I leave to the tropics in the winter. And all of this I get to do within the brotherhood of men that live closeby and have similar interests.

I am really happy to have found this community since I always feld like a person driving the opposite direction on a road. Even those guys I gang out with are still pretty purple minded. After a while I started wondering: “who is the wrong way driver here”? So thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Ive been to Holland where the girls are for sale (I wasn’t interested, f~~~ that), You can waste your time the world over searching for some mythical unicorn, or some perfect relationship, as for me, my time is much to precious to waste that way. I view today’s male/female social paradigm like a building on fire (set on fire by feminism) where I see men dating and perusing these worthless tramps as though they were running into the building on fire, and the men that get married, their running into the building on fire SOAKED IN GASOLINE! I’ll just stay out here in the street and watch it burn!

I am also from your homecountry and studying here in the region with the best climate.

Would be nice to get to know people of the MGTOW forum personal as most of the guys come from the US and Canada.

Unfortunatly there is no way I can PM you.

Hi Guys, after reading here quietly every once in a while for a few weeks now, finally I feel like engaging in discussions. So before I do so I’d like to introduce myself. I’m a 36 years old German. I studied economics and computer science, and have been working as an IT-consultant ever since. Having lived abrought in the US and Latin America as well as having backpacked throughout SE-Asia, I have gotten some cultural understanding – also about women and relationships. Wherever I went, I did get envolved with women. At the beginning, my interactions were driven by instinct, later I built my own theories which I built on what I like to call “evolutionary psychology”. Basically I ended up with a lot of theories that are basis of “games-theories” which PUAs use. Still I kept dating girls in the form of fixed relationships, which I found the most comfortable way for me. Also from an emotional point of view. At this point I have to add, that from my 10 months stay during highschool times plus my ongoing contacts with my old mates I got the feeling, that women are slightly more bitchy in the US and Canada, and also jurisdiction seems to be less favorable for men. When I read through the posts here, people rather expect to be sued for rape and whatnot, for no reason, which is something that would create quite some outrage in my home country. For example: When a man gets devorced he cannot be forced to pay for his wife as easy any more. He will have to be forced to py child support though. Prostiution is legal in Germany as is known. This really makes sex a way smaller deal. There is no reason to make a clown out of oneselve in a bar buying drinks to some chick who will then take her golden vagina home with herself. Men can just pay their 50-100 bucks and buy their sex somewhere else. Also in German culture it’s part of the culture, that women pay their own way. At least many women do it, and they do it with pride. When I get to know women, I pay for dinner, but when they repeatedly don’t pay in return, I either call em on that behavior, if I like them, if not – which is more frequently the case, I just let em go. Still women everywhere have tendencies to tie to men. I have found that women get exploited by their children, while women exploit their man. It’s just like a tomatoe plant that dies in fall while pushing her last ressources into the ripening tomatoe. That’s nature. Personally I ended my last relationship with a german / Russian woman mix. She was cooking dinner for me washed my cloths. She dressed sexy, she was doing many of those things that some MGTOWs here require. But then she gave her best to take over all of my life. She put pressure on me to join every singe family party of hers. People would continue to speak russian there so it was boring to me. Also she would be more then distracted by her nephew and niece while we were there. So she would kiss those disgusting bugger-noses instead of me. Unfortunately I gave in to joining those events for too long. The reason was that they were really interesting and thus enjoyable to me in the beginning. Through women I have gotten many deep insights into foreign societies in the past. Finally I resisted letting her rule my life any more, told her I never ever want a kid from her, and after that she left me. What really struck me, was that all those Russian-German men were total family slaves. Her father had gone to the basement, hanging out in the garage in his spare time, while her mother reigned the living room. But it was him who brought twice the wage home as his wife. Her brother married the worst bitch while I was with her. She had gotten impregnated after 3 months of relationship. That was after he had lost half of his belongings to his ex wife. Still he married this even worse one. Really creepy to me is the fact that my ex said: “he needs that. He likes to be the provider to feel important. While her brothers fat bitch once tried to shame me for not willing to support my lazy girlfriend financially “you just don’t want to take responsibility”. Her sister has 2 kids. That womans husband works in a lower management position at a great German automotive manufacturer, and makes good money. She didn’t work for years after giving birth to her kids, always blaming him that she had given up her “career” for her family. A career that she had never really started anyways. The experience of her being so captative to me really got me stop wanting another relationship for now. So I spent the winter working while digesting the pain of getting away from her. Recently I spend my time reading MGTOW and relationship related things, which helps me sort my thoughts. Besides that I follow my own passions. Already 2 years ago I had quit my old job, making me a less interesting as a provider. I now earn exactly enough for my own needs. My garden and the lil (crappy) house is payed off, so is my old rusty car. I only work less than half of the year working as a freelancer for money. The rest of the year I work on that lil house repair the car by myself, or push my garden towards self sufficiency. If I feel like it, I leave to the tropics in the winter. And all of this I get to do within the brotherhood of men that live closeby and have similar interests. I am really happy to have found this community since I always feld like a person driving the opposite direction on a road. Even those guys I gang out with are still pretty purple minded. After a while I started wondering: “who is the wrong way driver here”? So thanks for sharing your thoughts.

What an inspiring story, welcome aboard and thank you for sharing your story 🙂

Sebastian

Hi Huevon, I am also from your homecountry and studying here in the region with the best climate. Would be nice to get to know people of the MGTOW forum personal as most of the guys come from the US and Canada. Unfortunatly there is no way I can PM you.

Hey there what is the region with the best climate from your perspective? In my view it would be the Rhein-Neckar region, which is where I live. Is that where you study? I’d definately be down for a beer or ten. I haven’t found any PM function either. Maybe anyone here found it, and is willing to help me out. Else I’ll have to create a crap-emailaccount, and poste it here, so you can send me your contact.

Hey there what is the region with the best climate from your perspective? In my view it would be the Rhein-Neckar region, which is where I live. Is that where you study? I’d definately be down for a beer or ten. I haven’t found any PM function either. Maybe anyone here found it, and is willing to help me out. Else I’ll have to create a crap-emailaccount, and poste it here, so you can send me your contact.

Hahahaha, see, not hard to choose, also Rhein-Neckar 🙂

Good idea on the email account.

Good idea on the email account.

^^ ok, here we go. It’s mgtow§web.de. Just replace the § with an @. Pretty cool name for a crap email account. But that just shows how unknown the MGTOW concept still is in the DACH region.

I just red your comment on ” Captain save a bro”, which was a well documented observation on a really common pattern these days. So I checked your profile an it led me here, to another of your written gems. I really enjoy reading your stuff. Kind of resonates with me. Let me leave a warm welcome and hopefully there will be more of your insights to read.